Famitsu interview with Yoshi

3.15 before Christmas probably means dec 22.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

As for Haurche... yeah. English localisation team has been taking far too many liberties with the translation, with more-or-less this exact reasoning ("Western players would probably not like that", iirc because Koji is a lore-main as well as the lead of the English team), and time and time again they're called out on it. Time and time again players are generally not happy with it. I'm surprised it wasn't even ok'd with Yoshi though.
[There, see, another one where they see/hear the reactions, but just go ahead doing the "bad thing" again anyway.]

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How much is the difference? Differences between other languages too?

The german version did take the romantic route.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

How much is the difference? Differences between other languages too?

The german version did take the romantic route.

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The only real differences were between the EN Localized version and every other version, just as it was with Midgardsormr (and others).

Based on the research I've been able to do (lots of reading forums) including posts and comments team members and Yoshi-P, as well as comments from players that are bilingual and can therefore discuss the differences, the production process appears to be something like this... The original script is finalized in Japanese. It's translated into English, just a straight and faithful translation without localization. This becomes the reference copy of the script for translation to other languages such as French, German, etc...So the French, German, and other language versions are very much faithful to the Japanese original script.

The Korean and Chinese may be translated directly from the Japanese original, or the English reference version, I'm not 100% sure, I suspect it may be easier to translate those from Japanese, but either way all these other languages are based very closely on the Japanese original script. The English version of the game released doesn't use the faithful translation, it goes through extensive localization first.

The English version is fully localized, so they take the English reference translation and tinker with it to replace various idioms, jokes and other culture specific references with things considered to be more suitable to the English audience. With Midgardsormr and Haurchefant, and other instances, the localization team has actually altered dialog, cut scenes and characterization.

There is input from the EN localization team to the original or master script/story/lore, in order to ensure consistency with naming of places, monsters, skills and NPCs, and even the lore, because we have a EN lore team as well. All of that feedback happens before the final script is completed in Japanese and translated to English for reference. That ensures that there is consistency across the different languages the game is published in, which is what makes it slightly odd, and quite annoying, when the localized EN version actually diverges from how all the other versions handle something.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The English version is fully localized, so they take the English reference translation and tinker with it to replace various idioms, jokes and other culture specific references with things considered to be more suitable to the English audience.

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Thats also happening in the german version. There is alot of "typical german" and "germany only" stuff inside dialoges and other texts.

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Anything that we should try?

Yoshida: Well, I think working on mechanics should be the first priority rather than focusing on damage. Try a section 10 times, and give priority to getting through that part of the fight 10 times without any issue. If someone doesn't understand what to do or makes a mistake, practice for that person. If you proceed through the fight without everyone on the same page, the differences will get exacerbated. Instead of setting really high goals, work on the fight one phase at a time and you'll get better results. Let DPS be the last thing you focus on. If you're playing with a focus on DPS from the start, you'll be neglecting how to properly deal with certain mechanics. It's a much better goal to be certain that you can get through the mechanics of phases instead of being able to reduce the boss to a certain HP percentage. Part of avoiding the mechanics has nothing to do with DPS. Once you are at a point where all eight players are able to cleanly deal with mechanics, that's the first time you should start thinking about DPS. The first goal should be to kill it before timing out, and then you can think about ways to shorten the time spent in each phase.

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Thanks for teaching us raiding's 101, Yoshida-san. How about next content is designed so that we can do that instead of rushing dps because it's been utterly and ridiculously overtuned ?



Seriously, the average player is already unable to handle most mechanics, no matter how simple they are, if they come by more than 2 at the same time (communication too hard, plz nerf. Tunnel visioning rulz). If you throw at the same time an absurd dps check, they'll tunnel vision even more and just fail horribly at either dps'ing or handling said mechanics (or both !).


Oh, and wiping to a mechanic is a thing (you just have to master it, you'll do it eventually !), but wiping endlessly because you're missing a little extra bit of dps when you're balls on it will just drive people away.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Oh, and wiping to a mechanic is a thing (you just have to master it, you'll do it eventually !), but wiping endlessly because you're missing a little extra bit of dps when you're balls on it will just drive people away.

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there are groups clearing a3s in 9 minutes, probably you are just horrible bad and should consider kicking some people if they arent able to play their classes properly

since everyone got full 210 and 205 weapons "too much dps required" is zero excuse for not clearing a3s

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

there are groups clearing a3s in 9 minutes, probably you are just horrible bad and should consider kicking some people if they arent able to play their classes properly

since everyone got full 210 and 205 weapons bad dps is zero excuse for not clearing a3s

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Didn't it take the world first group over a week to clear A3S due to gear checks?

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Didn't it take the world first group over a week to clear A3S due to gear checks?

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its all routine, I'm pretty sure they could kill it now in ilvl 190-200 without hitting enrage

groups were already able to solo heal and 7 man it

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

there are groups clearing a3s in 9 minutes, probably you are just horrible bad and should consider kicking some people if they arent able to play their classes properly

since everyone got full 210 and 205 weapons "too much dps required" is zero excuse for not clearing a3s

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yeah sure, "everyone is full i210 and i205 weapons". sigh.

To answer you though, I stopped raiding nearly 3 month ago because AS3 was just ridiculous.

and back then, people didn't have the dps for it, for the most part. And by a long shot.

Now, they just don't want to go back to it. plain and simple.

Also, your comment doesn't prove me wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

yeah sure, "everyone is full i210 and i205 weapons". sigh.

To answer you though, I stopped raiding nearly 3 month ago because AS3 was just ridiculous.

and back then, people didn't have the dps for it, for the most part. And by a long shot.

Now, they just don't want to go back to it. plain and simple.

Also, your comment doesn't prove me wrong.

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its the high end content for the top 1% of raiders, tough even casual groups who already got full 210 should clear it without problems

a3 normal seems to suit you more if you have neither gear/skill nor the determination/time to learn the mechanics

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

3.15 before Christmas probably means dec 22.

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Inb4 "Maintenance will begin on December 24th 11:59pm PST"

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

its the high end content for the top 1% of raiders, tough even casual groups who already got full 210 should clear it without problems

a3 normal seems to suit you more if you have neither gear/skill nor the determination/time to learn the mechanics

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Whatever you say man. No point talking to someone resorting to personal attacks.

You just seem to have no idea what the "casual raiding" scene is like

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

You just seem to have no idea what the "casual raiding" scene is like

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so what is it?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

its the high end content for the top 1% of raiders, tough even casual groups who already got full 210 should clear it without problems

a3 normal seems to suit you more if you have neither gear/skill nor the determination/time to learn the mechanics

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That's an oxymoron. 1% of raiders =/= casual raiders.

And even then, "casual" definition differs people by people, but it doesn't change the fact that the general census is that A3S and onward is incredibly overtuned, the clear rates are concerningly low (admiringly by the developers, who intentionally designed these to cater to the high end raiders, so wut?), mass server transfers for a "better raiding scene", and that Normal mode can be done with even someone that's afking outside of the boss arena because it's so loose and undertuned comparable to a 24-man raid.

I'm starting to think people blur the lines between the meaning of casual and hardcore. I know many people who are skilled to do as3 but have bad luck with statics losing people and spending time and energy to replace them. I still remember the 9 hour battle against absolute and thank god no mmo is that stupid to put in hardcore crap of ff 11 days. I got kicked from my raid team because I said f it and went to bed.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

Thats also happening in the german version. There is alot of "typical german" and "germany only" stuff inside dialoges and other texts.

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Thats good to know actually, it shows a lot of integrity that the apply localization for specific languages, and not just 'wester' or 'english'. It also seems to be an improvement over the way that things may have been handled before. Either was, it's good news.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

That's an oxymoron. 1% of raiders =/= casual raiders.

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no its not

hardcore raider (1%) can kill it without proper gear, casuals can kill it with proper gear, in the end everyone should be able to

a3s is nothing different then some kind of titan hm/ex just with 4.3m instead auf 300k hp, memorize some easy mechanics like sluices or protean wave and combine them later. Titan had landslide, exploding gaols and plumes at the same time

all what a3 requires is a knowledge of playing your class and to tunnelvision for only 60 instead of 90%, tough you still can tunnelvision most of it by just following set patterns for every mechanic, which will never change and are always the same

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i'm the only one bothered by the fact that Yoshida did admit that they was unable to offer enough instance of diadem?
i means with a game for 4 million + people (as they have said) isn't normal to expect high congestion and to have the hardware ready for it?

.... between the lack of manpower and hardware we can't expect them to do miracle, but still i'm bothered by the fact that every month they get more of 40.000.000 euro (and i'm sure i under estimate how much they get) even if we count the maintenance and support team for 10.000.000 (what is far too much) where go the other 30.000.000. i can understand that the society get them but don't they can reinvest a bit into the game? i means god with the cash they get per month can't we expect a better support of SE to the dev?

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FF XIV don't have 4 Million active players. It is said to be 4 Million Accounts. Active player are estimated to be around 400k-500k. Means an earning of ~5.5 Million Euro. Now subtract taxes, Salary, Server leasing, services, Development of Content and Expansions, Services, Translation and ofc. profit.

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Yoshida: With FFXIV now, within a single server process thread, we have a technique called "instance of an instance" which allows us to create multiple instances.

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Hmmm... am I the only one who thought of "Oh hey, personal housing?"

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Originally Posted by Malakai

Hmmm... am I the only one who thought of "Oh hey, personal housing?"

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If they can't even handle a few hundred instances I doubt they could handle a few thousand personal houses...

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Originally Posted by Cheraa

FF XIV don't have 4 Million active players. It is said to be 4 Million Accounts. Active player are estimated to be around 400k-500k. Means an earning of ~5.5 Million Euro. Now subtract taxes, Salary, Server leasing, services, Development of Content and Expansions, Services, Translation and ofc. profit.

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They say over 5 million accounts (actually I think it says 5.5 million on one of the more recent things I've seen), not 4 million. I'm not sure about the active player estimates, 400-500k might be an underestimate of the active player-base if it's not SE's own data on concurrent users. A lot of the metrics used by third parties to gauge player activity are based on progression content, which depending on the type of player may not be a good indicator of activity. They also scrape the Lodestone for the data, and data scraping from websites is not always the most reliable way to obtain information.

For example, I doubt my character counts as active on many of those 'counts' and yet I'm on almost every day for a couple of hours at least. But because I don't run progression content, I'm unlikely to trigger many (if any) of the conditions third party 'surveys' use to determine activity. I know I am not alone in this.

Also, has anyone ever tried to count up all the accounts permanently disabled because of RMT or other illegal activity? If you go through those weekly reports I'd guess that we are *well* past half a million accounts that have been listed as being permanently banned from the game. In an ideal world, I'd hope that their number of accounts that they tout would *not* include those RMT accounts that they have identified and taken action against. This is not an ideal world however, so I don't know if they exclude known RMT accounts from the number of user accounts that they claim.

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Originally Posted by Malakai

Hmmm... am I the only one who thought of "Oh hey, personal housing?"

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No, but it depends on how many instances within instances their architecture is designed to handle.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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The counting is done with public informations one cannot hide. Levelling up, getting minions and mounts, etc... gathered on characters that are above lv20-ish over 2 month or so. This is actually way more accurate than anything else we an have actually as SE refuses to give real data.

The last estimation was about 650k players iirc.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

The counting is done with public informations one cannot hide. Levelling up, getting minions and mounts, etc... gathered on characters that are above lv20-ish over 2 month or so. This is actually way more accurate than anything else we an have actually as SE refuses to give real data.

The last estimation was about 650k players iirc.

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I know it's public data, I also know it's scraped from the Lodestone. I'm just saying that the numbers may be an under-estimate because it's difficult to gauge activity of players who are not progression minded, and take their time. I guess it depends on the kind of depth that they go to when obtaining their data. If they obtain the class page from your character summary information on Lodestone, and keep the previous record for a comparison, then they could even compare the number of XP, not just the levels. If they are going to that kind of dept than any concerns I have had in the past would be gone.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Indeed...
Hmmm....I play with JP voice Acting on because the English cast makes me want to burn my UK passport and hide in the wilds of Montana to avoid being judged over the wishy washy, emotionless, prim and proper, oh so very English, annoying and utterly not fitting voices used in the EN version.

As for Haurchefant, my reading of his character has always been that he has kind of a hero worship thing going for the WoL, really wants to help in any way he can and is flamboyant and overtly emotional - not sexual, and can't help being over the top about things. There are characters like him in many Anime for example. They are typically friendly, always flamboyant and a little ambiguous with regard to their orientation. But they always wear their heart on their sleeve and are emotive in speech and manner, sometimes to the point of making the main character a little uncomfortable.

The biggest difficulty watching with JP audio is that you can't read the text of what is actually being said because you get the text from the EN localization. I'd love it if there was an option to display the un-localized EN translation that goes with the JP dialog, but I doubt that is something that they'd add at this time.

However, Haurchefant doesn't come across as 'pervy' (as so many seem to think) so much as he does as an overtly, and overly, flamboyant guy with a huge hero-worship complex for the WoL and a strong bond of friendship to the WoL. Remember, the WoL was the one who helped him when *no one* else would. That strong friendship and Hero-worship is probably due several factors not least of which is the lonely nature of his position, being stationed in the middle of nowhere with the expectation of serving there for a long time with no friends, and no respect (remember he's there by virtue of his birth). Prior to the WoL entering his life, he was in a situation where it doesn't matter how noble he is, it doesn't matter how valorous he is, and with the political intrigue 'back home' it doesn't matter how honest he is, he's gonna get the crap end of the stick no matter what - though he makes a brave face of it. Then the WoL essentially saves his life and family honor, a debt of gratitude that for him seems to literally go to his core being.

So yeah, there are some awkward moments because he's just way over the top about things, but the motives - in my opinion - are not sexual. The dialog is suggestive - deliberately so - apparently in both languages, but more so in JP, but merely suggestive. In the context of the type of character he is and his relationship to the WoL, the dialog actually makes things even funnier because when we reach that point and realize that actually, it's just his 'way' and nothing more, we see how ludicrous it is to suspect anything of him. Like that one scene where Alphinaud sort of intercepts what seems to be a very suggestive moment. If you have a good handle on Haurchefant's character at that point, it's actually quite funny that Alphinaud so promptly steps in to 'save' you. In the great tradition of farcical humor, misunderstanding precedes hilarity.

I actually find it funnier still that so many people take him so seriously and ascribe labels like 'pervy' and sexual motivation to him. I just find it very difficult to take that aspect of his character as anything other than comic relief.

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Very well written, I thank you for it. This is exactly what I feel about Haurchefant as well.

People express themselves differently in each culture. In Japanese culture it is normal to love people around you in a pure friendly way, but here in western culture you are labeled a perv, lesbian or gay very quickly.

People should stop overly using the word " perv" already and be open for more kindness. People should stop judging others so quickly.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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it's just easier and faster to look at big pictures (gear change, change in big numbers like mount count, minion count, levels) rather than nitpicking exact number changes.

Anyone who play the game at least a few hours in the spawn of 2 month is likely to have changed at least one piece of gear. Pretty easy stuff to use to figure out active accounts. I'd een go as far as saying that the underestimation (people not progressing on any level for the entire scan duration) is beaten by the overestimation (people can come in and out in the span of 2 month, and may not be active anymore when the numbers are compiled)

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

I'd e(v)en go as far as saying that the underestimation (people not progressing on any level for the entire scan duration) is beaten by the overestimation (people can come in and out in the span of 2 month, and may not be active anymore when the numbers are compiled)

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That's a good point, I wonder whether the two 'sides' of underestimation and overestimation may simply balance each other out?

Either way, 650K active players (as mentioned in your previous post) translates to a pretty decent regular income for SE and the FFXIV 'franchise'. If it is 650K active players that averages out to about 10K per server doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

Very well written, I thank you for it. This is exactly what I feel about Haurchefant as well.

People express themselves differently in each culture. In Japanese culture it is normal to love people around you in a pure friendly way, but here in western culture you are labeled a perv, lesbian or gay very quickly.

People should stop overly using the word " perv" already and be open for more kindness. People should stop judging others so quickly.

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Indeed, and thanks.

I was thinking about this and India came to mind. In India (and other nations/cultures), it's perfectly acceptable (and normal) for men to hold hands, hug, or walk with their arm around their friend's shoulder. If we had a couple of male characters in FFXIV doing that I wonder what the typical reaction would be in the western player-base? To use your quote (about Japan) "it is normal love people around you in a pure friendly way". In India (for example) two men holding hands is an act of friendship, another word for friendship is love. If someone does not in fact love their friends, then why are they 'friends' and not merely acquaintances.

Actually, now that I think about this, I would rather the localization team did not make such changes as they made with Haurchefant for a very simple, and important reason. By leaving in such things, they expose people to aspects of other cultures, something that brings more understanding and tolerance for others. I'm not saying it should be the role of this game (or any other game) to educate society. But instead of giving in to the parochial fears and intolerance of some players who need to open their eyes and minds to the world, I think that they should leave these things in the game. Instead of trying to hide it, or change it, perhaps it would be better to add a bit more context so that people can understand the character type better.

My God, can you imagine if people actually learned to celebrate their differences in culture and belief, rather than criticize and belittle each other over those differences?

Yeah sort of. Just pulling that out of my memory so numbers could be off, but the range was from 5k (typical low pop server) to 20k players (balmung ftw) per server

Some number scrapped from lodestone:

Total Player Characters: 7,819,881
PCs with at least one class at 50: 1,324,414
PCs with at least one class at 60: 385,651

From https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ta_and_charts/

This doesn't include people who are leveling pre-lvl 55 of course, but it puts a dire picture on end-game if there are only 386K people to choose from (not counting the regional splits). Also one's experience on how the game is perceived at end-game may change depending on what server they roll on:

(Graph is level 60's only)

http://i.imgur.com/qupGctE.png

http://i.imgur.com/qupGctE.png

It is too bad SE doesn't publish proper data making us rely on the loadstone... however I do think it's accurate for the majority of players. 90% of the content is done at end-game, so using "how many level 60s are there" is a good way to judge how population numbers would effect a level 60 player.

Have to wonder how much of the total accounts are made up of spammers?

"Anything that we should try?

Yoshida: Well, I think working on mechanics should be the first priority rather than focusing on damage. Try a section 10 times, and give priority to getting through that part of the fight 10 times without any issue. If someone doesn't understand what to do or makes a mistake, practice for that person. If you proceed through the fight without everyone on the same page, the differences will get exacerbated. Instead of setting really high goals, work on the fight one phase at a time and you'll get better results. Let DPS be the last thing you focus on. If you're playing with a focus on DPS from the start, you'll be neglecting how to properly deal with certain mechanics. It's a much better goal to be certain that you can get through the mechanics of phases instead of being able to reduce the boss to a certain HP percentage. Part of avoiding the mechanics has nothing to do with DPS. Once you are at a point where all eight players are able to cleanly deal with mechanics, that's the first time you should start thinking about DPS. The first goal should be to kill it before timing out, and then you can think about ways to shorten the time spent in each phase."

The thing about this is, people want high DPS right away, expect everyone to know ALL the mechanics right away from watching videos, and demand TeamSpeak.

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Originally Posted by Magis

Some number scrapped from lodestone:

Total Player Characters: 7,819,881
PCs with at least one class at 50: 1,324,414
PCs with at least one class at 60: 385,651

From https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ta_and_charts/

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There is something strange with the numbers.

Just take a look at this chart released in early september.

http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/Eorze...N_Census_S.png

In an interview some weeks later, Yoshida said, that around the half of the active players (no chars) have finished Alexander normal mode.

I'm pretty shure, the clear numbers have been increased more than a little bit during the census and that interview.

In my opinion there should be at least around 800k active players.

Don't know how many ppl are out there with an active account without Heavensward, but I don't believe its the majority of the active playerbase.