I was never really taught about it, I just knew that the way I was seeing stuff was different than other people in my classes, luckily I was fortunate to have had a teacher that pulled me aside and was willing to work with me and work their lesson plans around to help me in that regard, but in health/science etc nah, for us it was never even skimmed over at all, Not necessarily saying ignorance should completely exempt people from anything, I just can kind of understand people not really understanding the problems (and sometimes physical pain) that arise from the issue at hand. (I'm prone to sever migraines if I try to strain myself too much with layered coloration) =) I'm glad theat your school went above and beyond with it though, it's always good to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Culfinrandir
Please change mob AOE circles back the way they were
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11-11-2015, 08:05 AMIlitsa
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11-11-2015, 08:09 AMh0tNstilettos
I haven't noticed any difference in the AOEs. O_o It looks the same as it always has.
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11-12-2015, 03:45 AMBreathlessTao
OH YES. The only part about this I found in the patch notes is
...which I'm really not convinced accurately describes the change. If this is what the description is about, it's confusing, because I don't think it has anything to do with accuracy, it's simply a different visual effect. One that's much harder to see in quite a few cases - most prominent I can remember is the More than a Feeler guildhest, because that was where I first noticed how I could barely see it at all.Quote:
[2.0] The appearance of action indicators has been adjusted to more accurately display the area of effect for attacks.
In any case, they really should leave things like this as options, instead of just replacing one with the other. -
11-12-2015, 03:52 AMZhexos
Greetings,
The display for area of effects has been changed in Patch 3.1 so that the range of attack is more accurately displayed.
Depending on your playing environment, you may have a different opinion on the color and brightness for the new area of effect display. We would like you to first try various content, and then give us more detailed feedback on when and why the displays are difficult to see so we can relay that information over to the dev. team. Thanks! -
11-12-2015, 04:10 AMWarr_of_LintGround Texture Appreciation Day
I think we should hold an annual ground texture appreciation day. We need to make it clear that, and I hope the person responsible for ground textures is listening, we think the ground in this game looks great, and whoever is responsible for it is doing a fantastic job. The ground texture person isn’t getting the credit deserved, and we’re sorry.
It’s rough when your work is constantly getting covered up, I know, we all do. I feel we could accomplish so much, though, if we could just have a dialogue before increasing the telegraph transparency. -
11-12-2015, 04:48 AMVasala
Places where I notice it can be more difficult to see are areas with a lot of grass or other ground details. Also it can be a bit harder to make out if there are player AOE's going on like the bard fire circle, etc. Some ground it can blend in with a bit like the last boss in Saint Mocianne's Arboretum (the one that tends to cause issues is if one of the adds aoe is under the boss). They also tend to blend together if there are a lot of overlapping aoe's like occurs with some of the dragonskin maps.
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11-12-2015, 04:58 AMBroodingFicusSo glad it wasn't just me. XD I saw this thread after healing one of the new dungeons and had no idea this was a thing. Even my tank (who used to stand in Snowcloak AoE's without realizing it because his eyes are so bad) didn't notice anything. I'm pretty sure I got hit with one trying to see the difference the next run. If most of the issue is in the color leaning too far into the red spectrum, seems like it would be easy to just alter it slightly or offer a toggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by h0tNstilettos
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11-12-2015, 05:14 AMVintaThese new indicators are not friendly for colorblind people. They are too dim and blend in with the ground. We would not like to try various content first, we would like to be able to see the indicators at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
I would also like to add that the instance in which it's difficult to see is irrelevant. If anyone, anywhere has a problem seeing the indicator in any instance, you need to change it. What's the point of having an accessible indicator if you use a color and tone that makes it inaccessible to individuals who don't have a choice as to what their eyes can and cannot see? -
11-12-2015, 05:38 AMNyghtmarerobuI like the cleaner versions of the reticles, but I like the old "thicker, brighter" lines much better. They are vastly more visible on floors that are of the same color, where red reticle, on a red floor is something of a pain to see, and I can only imagine what its like for color blind people. I'd say a way to toggle between the 2, or maybe even an option to switch the colors would be improvements in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-12-2015, 05:44 AMRisvertasashiFWIW, so far I like it myself. However, as others have noted, it can be troublesome in content where the telegraph's contrast with the floor is very low (but it's not like this is anything new... Shiva EX. Now Thordan's Reign, even though it has custom telegraphs. Etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-12-2015, 05:52 AMraymonthe AoE indicators are hard to see on the second boss of saint mocianne's arboretumQuote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-12-2015, 06:21 AMFevelleIf it's gonna be changed, please make it an option to keep the new ones. They are much better for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-12-2015, 06:54 AMVespar
I find the aoe line marker is too thin and therefore when it overlaps with things like "Flaming Arrow's aoe circle" you can't see it at all.
If they could make the line more defined or brighter so it can be seen through other orange/red colored attacks I wouldn't have problems with it. And I also echo others. The aoe circles in the final boss of St. Mocianne's are really difficult to see on the floor sometimes. -
11-12-2015, 07:01 AMJamez82
They're fine now that I turned off all the spell effects. Sad I needed to turn those down though.
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11-12-2015, 07:16 AMKaishaThis is my qualm with it currently. If you can see the edge of the AoE you're fine, but anything that's not the edge doesn't read as easily from a cursory glance. The AoEs need to be filled in more, rather than having the orange primarily reside along the edge. The pulsing has also become less visible in the 3.1 changes which doesn't help matters as much.Quote:
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Also still waiting on an option to change the colour of the generic AoEs, particularly with the amount of fights that involve red/orange screen-filling explosions with red/orange in the environment/background/lighting. -
11-12-2015, 09:01 AMxXRaineXx
Personally for me, I did notice this change, but I was not too bothered by it. I mean a circle is a circle, no matter how you make it. It actually made me better at dodging and making every step count so I can side step right to the edge of the aoe marker. The previous marker was of law quality in terms of the 'edge', it was sorta vague and you can't really tell if your in or out. But now it's clear.
It's only been a couple days since 3.1, jus give it some time like the devs say. -
11-12-2015, 10:56 AMniwaarJust about in any 8man group content. For example, in A2S when Jagged Dolls place their circle on the ground, it was already difficult to see at some points because of group attack animations and monster spawns. Now it is even more challenging to see these telegraphs. This is only one example from my experiences, but you can add "any FATE with a decent amount of people" into the mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
I find it interesting that the "Frontal Line" AOE did not seem to get this treatment. Please in the future give us color, brightness, line width, and animation type options for this. This game is beautiful and basically the current system is borderline forcing some of my friends to turn off other/party player animations just to be able to function in a larger group encounter. -
11-12-2015, 01:13 PMSomeRandomHumanI came to this thread a tad late, so I think I can share some feedback.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
While the modern and sleek look is nice, it is very contrary. You removed all the color that made aoes visible. Now I wear fairly strong spectacles and I have a VERY hard time seeing what's an aoe and whats just scenery texture. How I tell I was an aoe, you ask? The fact a chunk of my life just vanished. Bring back the color filling or at least make the pulsing more obvious. My eyes are bad enough. I don't want to damage them more from straining to see a thin red line amongst a million other things. -
11-12-2015, 03:02 PMFynlar
I hate the new indicators, they are much harder to see :/
Please change them back, or give us an option.
To me this was an example of fixing something that wasn't broken. -
11-12-2015, 04:22 PMGeologo
Hem... if it is ony graphic rendering component and it does not chang nothing about the mechanic, why don't let up decide among the 3.0 and the 3.1 AoE display type?
Like we decide for Standard / Legacy movement.
Maybe it could even be nice if you could decide the color gradietion of those standard redish AoE, so for some content with a ground with a similar color of the AoE we can just decide for another gradietion, it would be great :) -
11-12-2015, 05:21 PMLamentThis would also be really important for colorblind players. I like this.Quote:
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11-12-2015, 06:05 PMwicked-one
I missed that out in the patchnotes totally, tought of a graphics bug at first.
with all that change around, why the heck they don´t make ´em customizable in the menues at first place. -
11-12-2015, 06:09 PMEZ5902I never had any issue with it before this change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-12-2015, 07:27 PMJabeo
I'm getting used to the new appearance of action indicators for area of effect attacks but I liked the way they were displayed before much better.
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11-12-2015, 07:54 PMCulfinrandirThis is exactly what I, and others, have been trying to get people to understand all along. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geologo
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11-12-2015, 07:58 PMCulfinrandir
I played my first 'main content' yesterday and do find the new telegraphs significantly more difficult to see in busy situations and absolutely impossible on certain textures (like in Diadem). In fact, on many occasions I was hit by a move because I just couldn't see the markers at all, they were too faint & thin.
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11-12-2015, 08:52 PMzetolious
For most content the new telegraphs are not to bad though they do take a little getting used to. As for feedback for fights the new telegraphs are extremely hard to see when there is a huge amount of red present either the floor is red or the is a red tint to the battle arena. The best example of this would be the meteor phase on the new Thoradin (sp?) EX fight. With the reddish floor/tint of the battle arena they are extremely hard to see. I got somewhat used to them for that fight but even now I still mess up from time to time at that part of the fight because I can't tell what exactly is going on. The new EX fight is the most glaring example that I have experienced. As for the other example the new telegraphs are harder to see in Alexander savage 1-4 thought no where as bad as my Thoradin example its more of a annoyance there. I probably will get used to the new telegraphs in time but it would be amazing to have an option to switch between the old and new ones.
Also more of a question just how do the new AoE telegraphs more accurately display the range of attack? I thought the old ones did an excellent job. I mean it was just basically a bright circle that meant don't stand in me if you do you will get hurt/die I mean how can you improve more then that? I really do not understand what you mean about it shows range of attack more accurately other then the change in color/transparency they seem to be exactly the same size as before and act the same way so forgive me for being a little baffled as to why the change was needed in the first place. I mean as it has been mentioned in this thread people that are color blind could have a hell of time with this change. I hope the devs can put in a toggle between old and new, I mean they should still have the assets to the old telegraphs so it would just be simple or at least possible to add in a toggle of some sort. -
11-12-2015, 10:12 PMKhazar
I like the new AOE graphic, the previous was too exaggerated. It is difficult to see if there are a lot of people and a lot of graphics effects displaying, like in S ranks NM in the open field maps or the Diadem, but everything seems crazy when there is a lot of people fighting in the same place anyways, whatever the AOE graphic is.
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11-12-2015, 10:16 PMalsims2007
I prefer the new indicators. It's so much easier to see stacked aoes. Everything else seems the same. Player effects making it hard to see is just as prevalent as it was before.
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11-12-2015, 11:48 PMCallinon
The new telegraphs do more accurately display the range of an attack, and that's nice... but they're much harder to see on floors with a lot of yellow or orange in them. The old telegraphs were "thick" enough to contrast with the floor, at least enough that you could see where they were.
I've noticed this most in Pharos Sirius HM when crystals are falling from the ceiling and you're standing on one of those crystal ramps. The ramps and the telegraph are exactly the same color. Took me a little while to figure out why I was getting bonked on the head.
Honestly no single color is likely to be the answer here. The telegraphs should change color with the environment they're being projected on to so they can always be visible. -
11-13-2015, 02:50 AMForthtide
I like the new AOE indicators, please, do not change them back. It looks much cleaner and more ascetically pleasing now. If you feel you need to compromise then make it an option in the settings for people to chose from.
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11-13-2015, 04:18 AMEvinnaReed
The problem is that people with sight problems can't SEE them. My friend in my static who plays with near-blindness and plays with style is having trouble raiding with us because of it. He wrote a thread here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-keep-playing
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11-13-2015, 06:15 AMLilith_Merquise
The only point in which AoE projection is an issue is Thordan EX Fight during the meteor phase, other then that, it doesn't matter. Even if its a bit harder to see, it's still noticeable. Also I guess some of the Skynamis mobs can be troublesome but some of those are so big it's hard to really dodge em anyway.
What I think they should do is allow for players to increase the brightness of the projections and perhaps even augment the colors for color blind people to pick them out faster. I can see that being an issue because if you're not looking for them they are pretty easy to miss at times, especially if the projection is very wide and covers a massive range you won't even notice it at times. Maybe give it a sort of "Air raising" particle effect, but this isn't really necessary. -
11-13-2015, 07:12 AMMrThermConsidering this is the third (fourth?) time this has been adjusted, would it possible to allow users to select which type of ground effect markers they can see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhexos
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11-13-2015, 07:29 AMShikiseki
While I thought I'd get used to this, it feels like the attempt to improve the aoe markers made it tougher for me to see them in most cases (especially tanking dungeons like Arboretum and Pharos HM).
I'd welcome an option to choose the markers we feel comfortable with from the past. -
11-13-2015, 12:33 PMJonnycbad
Yes please, this!
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11-13-2015, 04:58 PMDotsusama
I never had a problem with overlapping telegraphs before, and now I find it difficult to even dodge them in solo content because they are less solid and less visible overall. I like the clean lines in that it makes it easier to tell when I am grazing a telegraph versus standing on the line and thus still liable to get hit. But I also just spent a couple of weeks as a lalafell so part of that was getting used to the elezen hitbox again.
That said PLEASE CHANGE THE INDICATORS BACK. Running Ultros + Typhon and dodging instances of many mobs piled up together has only been made more difficult. I cannot tell you how many times avoidable damage killed me in Diadem yesterday... -
11-13-2015, 05:35 PMAzazua_azuraI think this should be a thing, make it a macro command I personally like the new Aoe indicators, they help me out way more. But i could undestand not everyone likes them. I think a system/character/macro option to change which one we see would benifit all players.Quote:
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11-14-2015, 03:17 AMNettoSaito
I actually didn't even realize they changed, so yeah, I don't have an issue with them being lighter. I can see why others may hate it though...
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11-14-2015, 10:17 PMSicno
Sometimes when the AoE indicator is GIANT and covers most of the field I only see the separating lines but have trouble figuring out if I'm standing within the aoe or on safe ground. It's also harder to see on orange-ish ground.
I also have a lot of trouble on trees who have a 270° aoe and there's lots of people or big enemies around, like on the rank V trees on Diadem.