Just watch the crystal tower CS, it's pretty much going to be the same story. On a serious note, if they go back to the old model, 20% echo + mechanic nerfs allow a lot of people to see the story. Nerfed coil with echo is only slightly harder than what A4N is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by TlainaToha
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11-06-2015, 01:49 AMzosia
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11-06-2015, 01:56 AMTlainaTohaI wouldn't mind Nerfied Coil with Echo difficulty just as long as they don't go to un-nerfed coil level of difficulty. One thing though having played through parts of nerfed coil though i would hope they tone down down the one shot mechanics as it felt really cheesy to just go oh you were off by a little your dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by zosia
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11-06-2015, 01:58 AMLexia
Some post about pld not being able to dps, it a freaking tank go play a dps job then.
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11-06-2015, 02:06 AMVelhartI will have the pitchforks at me again, but I don't believe you should have things handed to you right at the start. There needs to be challenge end game, there needs to be something you need to work hard to achieve. Not just grind till you get an item you want. This is a video game, challenge should be accepted, not questioned. Story is one of FF's richest features and having it handed to you with no effort at least end game wise devalues the content. I felt like it was a great reward and achievement beating T12/13 in Coils and finally getting to learn the events that transpired. For people who cannot beat that level of difficulty, that is what echo buffs and vertical progression are for, to make it easier for you over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by TlainaToha
People should acknowledge raids are meant to be hard and take with a grain of salt that it is content that might be inaccessible to you till you have the conditions met that you can take it on. All Easy mode accomplishes is you get your satisfaction right away without effort and its left and abandoned after a few small weeks when people get the items they want. Does nothing but become a grind at that point. The content might be suitable for the short term, but it will not last the months. People quit doing Alex(Normal) soon as they got the items they want, it had no real longevity.
Like I said, I am just the unpopular opinion of wanting challenges thrown at me. -
11-06-2015, 02:15 AMraelaThey sorta did this with Alex NM already, but it was out geared really quickly. Saw enrages + several wipes on my first runs though, and the forum had topics where people said they couldn't get through A4 and PF was all "experience needed."Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
...though even now none of these fights are a guaranteed win. Plenty of chances for DF to make everyone go splat. -
11-06-2015, 02:17 AMSendohJinyou've been clearing Savage with 5 DPS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexia
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11-06-2015, 02:18 AMTlainaTohaYeah there hasn't been a week I've gone into Alex normal where I haven't seen a wipe on at least one of the 4 wings. Heck the other week I had a group that wiped on faust once and the oppressors twice before we downed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by raela
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11-06-2015, 02:20 AMAtoli
Main Scenario
Oh man, WoD vs WoL is only the last thought? I hope that doesn't mean we'll not get a lot of WoD action in this patch .-.
Ministrel Ballad : Thordan's Reign
Ahaha. Haha. Ha. =.=
If the coordination is anywhere near what T9 required, I don't see random groups clearing this anytime soon x)
Void Ark
An option to prevent people from instantly leaving as soon as their equipment doesn't drop would be to let ALL gear drop on ALL the bosses. Getting your desired loot would still be just as random as before but everyone would stick around until the end to have the chance to get their desired loot.
Four-man Dungeons
I like a good challenge on my healer..<3 Do it, please!Quote:
Regarding a hard four-man dungeon, it will be hard to implement as the burden on healer will be intensive.
Airship Exploration
Ivl 179 minimum? Uh, I guess I'll have to throw more stones at my secondary classes to get their gear to the point where they can participate in that .-.
Eeeeeh? Like, in general?! Or only about explorations? Update speed is slow enough as it is since HW hit. I don't need un update that doesn't add a lot of new stuff..u-UQuote:
Next update scheduled at 3.3. 3.2 will focus on adjusting current content.
Gold Saucer
Oh great, already some MGP saved.
VanuVanu Beast Tribe Quests
New dyes? NEW COLORS?! *____* My inner glamour fangirl is dancing right now.
Level 50 Dungeons
Ok I guess..? I already leveled all the classes I care about to 55/60. So I don't really care what they do to 50 dungeons..xD
Alexander
Holy shit, I knew the clear rates were low, but that is ridiculous!
Maybe SE should take a clear look on WHY people haven't bothered to finish it. Judging by the forums, difficulty is just one part of it. The lack of other motivation might play a big role, too...
Job Adjustment
This is basically saying "We know PLD sucks right now, we also know WHY it sucks and what would need to be changed to fix it...but yeah, no, we are not gonna do any of that :D"
Seal Rock
That's okay. PvP is just something of secondary interest anyway.
3.2 Materia Changes
Is this about the whole "materia into raid gear" thing? Man, I never thought they'd bring my most hated 1.0 feature back..x)
VR
Didn't even know this was a thing. But even just imagining it..woha, I would have SO bought myself some Nerve Gea- ehm, I mean, Occulus Rift or the like ^^°
Just so I could sink into this fantastic world <3 -
11-06-2015, 02:22 AMZojhaWell, I don't think anyone has an issue with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
The reason that opinion is unpopular is because you want to exclude people who do "not" want challenges thrown at them. It's one thing to say:"Please give me an option that suits my tastes!" and another to say:"Don't give them an option to suit their tastes!".
That said, it's fine to say:"Hey, I don't want story mode to be a prerequisite for the harder modes because I'd like to work harder for my story and story mode spoils it for me!" No problem there. It's when you say:"Other people should have to work hard because I like to work hard." that it becomes an issue. -
11-06-2015, 02:29 AMDante_VI don't think it's really the same. The entire raid was face rolled in hours and any wipes you see in here are typically because people aren't paying attention to extremely basic things like picking up adds in A4 or not paying attention. There ren't any hard mechanics here, they are on the level of crystal tower difficulty if not easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by raela
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11-06-2015, 02:35 AMGarotte14
They need to just do:
Story mode = Story + no rewards. Easy difficult so the more casual players can experience the lore without having a static.
Normal mode = Difficulty maybe something around ScoB with echo. Good gear rewards, will probably require a static until overgeared and put into DF. Nerfs possible.
Savage mode = Hardest difficulty for the hardcore. Static required. Best weapon and gear in the game. No nerfs. No DF.
Savage must offer better gear. Period. Or else it will be ignored by 99.9% of the population. -
11-06-2015, 02:37 AMVelhartThat is just twisting my words around. People have a choice, I wouldn't go my way to force them to raid or try to influence them if they do not want to. You can stick to just doing casual content for all I care. If you want to engage in raiding content, then you have to realize that it will require more out of you than content before that and you are not entitled to less. People cannot be expected to be hand held through everything. If the world wants a Easy > Normal > Savage set up, it would not bother me at the end of the day. If we can only pick two as Yoshi-P says, then Normal > Hard needs to be the way to go. There needs to be a curve in raiding, all we have are spikes. Savage might be extreme, but Story Mode is an extreme in it's own right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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11-06-2015, 02:51 AMAyerinnMore like Story Mode = Alexander Normal 2; Normal Mode = Savage 2; Savage Mode = Savage 3/4Quote:
Originally Posted by Garotte14
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11-06-2015, 02:59 AMGarotte14It's not what I said, but exactly what I meant. To me at least, A1S & A2S are equivalent to Second Coil with echo. I like the difficulty of AS3 and 4 so I'd stick with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayerinn
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11-06-2015, 03:06 AMZojhaWhy thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Velhart
Have you considered that "if" easy and savage are both extremes "and" there is a need for a curve, "then" easy > normal is just as valid as normal > savage?
Before answering, consider the fact that the clear rates of savage are quite a bit below the developers expectations.
That aside...really? "People have a choice - they can just not experience the content at all if they don't like it hard!". That's, uhm...great? I can see now how you totally don't want to exclude people from the content if they don't share your preferences. My sincerest apologies for twisting your words there.
I'm gonna take a break. I'm getting sarcastic again. -
11-06-2015, 03:13 AMDragonSlayer45
Like we honestly needed more roulettes.
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11-06-2015, 03:45 AMAlkimiIf anything just give savage gear an extra materia slot over the hard mode. And give it purple text for the bragging rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
It's not much but it will be motivation over rewarding nothing. -
11-06-2015, 04:29 AMMugI'm surprised only one person has commented on this (that I noticed anyway). It's a bit up in the air at the moment, since we don't know what this actually entails, but I don't like the sound of this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
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11-06-2015, 04:30 AMAlexander_Dragonfang
yay, 2 dungeons to run daily for the next 3 to 4 months.
They will learn someday, when active players drop below 1 million maybe. -
11-06-2015, 04:41 AMKarstenSReading between the lines, this doesn't primary mean, its a burden because of the contents difficult itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
Looking at the current expert instances.
If everything would be done like designed, the healer is around 30% busy by healing. Maybe less.
What are the other 70% for in the mind of the designers?
Compensating mistakes!
In the current expert dungeons its nealy impossible to fail, when you have a good healer.
A hard 4 man would mean, the healer would be busy maybe for around 80% by healing when no mistakes will happen.
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11-06-2015, 04:41 AMMilesSaintboroguhThey already stated that they would gut one dungeon from the usual 3 in order to give more content variety in future patches. If this means I can do other things than just spamming the same 3 dungeons over and over, then go nuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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11-06-2015, 04:48 AMAlkimiHe was just talking about Airship Exploration, as in there won't be a new one until 3.3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mug
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11-06-2015, 04:58 AMMugGoodness, I guess I skimmed through those notes a bit too quickly. Thanks for the clarification!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
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11-06-2015, 05:07 AMTsukinoI hate them already and the patch isn't even out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
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11-06-2015, 05:56 AMRussW
- Void Ark should be cool
- Exploratory missions should also be cool
- Attempting to start balancing PLD is a step in the right direction but only one step.
- Personally I could not care less about hairstyles and glamour but a lot of people do so thats good.
- Minion battles - meh
- We will have level 60 dungeons and Expert made up of.... two more dungeons.. WTF is this?
- The problem with Savage is that everybody thinks its "for them" since its the next step above the crapfest that is Alex Normal. Its ridiculously hard to find 8 people that can handle it, you get 4-5.
These arent the actual patch notes but I guarantee these are very, very close to what they will be, simply the live letter and other early talk from SE has basically told us this.
Looks like 3.2 will be the patch we were waiting for. -
11-06-2015, 07:23 AMUnstablePersonalityHail Sword Art Online (It wouldn't let me type SAO)Quote:
Originally Posted by Atoli
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11-06-2015, 07:30 AMAyerinnmaybe they want you do do a variety of content and not just run expert 6 times a week to cap tomestones?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
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11-06-2015, 07:34 AMSendohJinthen maybe they should increase the Esoterics from other roulettes and add them to hunt bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayerinn
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11-06-2015, 07:46 AMFeliswith lv60 roulette there is a new roulette that give esoQuote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
And with Void Ark and Exploration there are other 2 contents that give Eso.
And if they do it like in 2.1, 2.3 and 2.5 then there will be also an increase of eso rewards. -
11-06-2015, 09:09 AMAlexander_DragonfangOr maybe they should stop making the other content they want me to do so freaking grindy. Maybe people would try content outside the geargrind if it wasn`t even worse of a grind.Quote:
Originally Posted by SendohJin
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11-06-2015, 09:19 AMWhocareswhatmynameisThis is bullcrap!!! I'm unsubbing right now!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
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11-06-2015, 09:34 AMPhireblast
I don't understand the complaints for two dungeons in expert roulette when a third isn't going to make things any less dull. From what I see, if they keep using the glorified hallway but with silly obstacle design for dungeons, what's the point?
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11-06-2015, 10:00 AMTizzy_Tormentor
For Void Ark, just have all the chests appear at the end. This would heavily deter people (i.e scummy bards) leaving like assholes when their precious piece doesn't drop, then at the end, everyone has a fair shot at the loot, done. A token system would make it easier to get loot, but would also likely kill the content faster when people get what they want and never go back.
Also, I would welcome tougher 4 man dungeons, I barely have to heal outside of big pulls in the EX roulette (as a SCH, I can just make the fairy keep the tank alive for nearly all boss fights) I would welcome any sort of healing challenge outside of savage raids (last boss of the Vault and A4 normal are decent enough checks for the average healer)
I am surprised people are flipping out over a cat ear hood when there are already cat people in the game (complete with cat ears) -
11-06-2015, 10:11 AMLone-wolfe-02
As i expected they seem to have lost faith with how savage is now.
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11-06-2015, 10:36 AMLaerad3993I actually like this idea. It was even worse when said bailing players were tanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor
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11-06-2015, 12:01 PMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
I hope the roulettes aren't the way it actually will be. I got so sick and tired of doing the same 3 dungeons over and over and over again. Even worse, I tend to get the same dungeons. 2.5 was AKHM Roulette. I didn't bother trying to cap Eso on 3.0 roulettes, and I probably still won't try and cap Eso. I'll run a few roulettes when I feel like it, but if my motivation isn't there, I'm not going to run the dungeons.
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11-06-2015, 04:03 PMNadirahAnd then on week 3 no one will ever finish it because where there's no incentive to run it more than once, no one does it more than once, and those late to the party for any reason are f'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garotte14
No.
We don't need three difficulties either. -
11-06-2015, 04:05 PMNadirahOr just give it titles and not loot, like they did in SCoB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
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11-06-2015, 04:59 PMMimilu
Most people I know don't want to go near Alexander Savage with a ten-foot pole. It's too much of a hassle to form and maintain a static of people you can get along with, can do the fight, and are patient if the group wipes more then two-or-three times. Plus, there's the whole static = marrying the game/second job mentality that scare most of us casuals away (and some of the people who are wizened from Coil statics).
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11-06-2015, 05:27 PMMarxamJust make all pieces that may be considered "BiS" drop at the last boss. Basically anything with crit and/or det on it will drop only at the last boss. People will always leave a party after getting their loot and this becomes more frequent the later in the week it gets. Coupled with the growing frustration of not getting the specific loot you want and capped on tomes for the week only exacerbates this problem. There is nothing you can do to "solve" this issue so the best way to go about it is to simply make the fights interesting and not make the rng so bad that people literally want to leave the dugeon after getting their loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus