That's what all "reviews" are though. Unless they have a dedicated columnist for the game, it won't ever get any better than what this one turned out to be. They only write about the entire game if it catches their attention, but clearly it didn't catch the reviewer's attention so they posted a quick and dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galka75
Someone should have PLed the man and brought him along to fight Ifrit, the review of the patch would be more "positive."
post 1.19 reviw by MMORPG.com
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10-12-2011, 10:56 PMVaer
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10-12-2011, 11:03 PMHoly_Dragoon
Oh look! I'm famous! My name it into a screenshot on MMORPG.com... oh wait a minute...
Holy Dragoon laughs at the Beta screenshots. I remember when we wore that black crest ;)
Fourth screen I believe is from Collectors Edition release or shortly afterward. Hey Krausus, remember when you wore that gear back when everyone in the LS was trying to wear Subligar for lols? I'm so glad he posted screenshots of the summer 1.18 event too.
That gentleman has not played the game much, even in the early stages. He hasn't experienced 1.19 in the slightest. -
10-12-2011, 11:27 PMquantumsaint
Where are these new low-level instances he mentioned?
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10-12-2011, 11:30 PMPrettyPrincessIt's not an instance, it's a public dungeon in La NosceaQuote:
Originally Posted by quantumsaint
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10-12-2011, 11:32 PMquantumsaintI know that. He doesn't apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess
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10-12-2011, 11:33 PMRedmond
The score has nothing to do with the post 1.19 Impressions. It's from a previous re-review back in July before 1.18 even came out. Here's the link
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/g...loadReview/147
They haven't updated the score, and the 5.1 is based off version 1.17. I'm sure they would raise the score if they did a review now, but I do agree with a lot of what he said. However, most of the issues are being addressed, and the future does look very good! -
10-12-2011, 11:33 PMPrettyPrincess
oh. lol .
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10-12-2011, 11:36 PMAlexis_Arteme
This article seems pretty fair, to me.
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10-13-2011, 12:03 AMMolly_Millions
MMORPG.com is worthless. Why would you read an article on that site other than to laugh at the author?
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10-13-2011, 12:15 AMAngryNixon
Unhelpful review is unhelpful? Is it possible for a review site to troll a game? Or does the use of the word "troll" not apply in that scenario?
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10-13-2011, 12:24 AMJennestiaIt's well known and very obvious your HP shoots up @30 and goes up quite a bit every level after 30, just as they stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SunTzuuu
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10-13-2011, 12:29 AMKalleraHow so? Those screenshots are nowhere near recent and are not indicative of recent play experience. This website has a grudge coloring its review, and if they can't afford journalistic integrity in their review, then they might as well post about clowns and how, since "this is 2011" they should have mental implants that guide their character from start to victory instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexis_Arteme
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10-13-2011, 12:36 AMKalleraLook up Yellow Journalism. Also, "smear job"Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryNixon
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10-13-2011, 12:43 AMPetdo
From the couple review that some MMO sites posted ( this one and.. other one that review just before patch 1.18 I can't remember )
All of them are very bias to this game...maybe I could say to all JMMORPGs.
I know this game is bad.. and it need to fix.
At least this patch change a very large fundamental things in game to more.. enjoyable.
They didn't mention new simplify recipes that make thing lot easier for crafters.
They didn't even mention anything about materia.
They just post with pure bias and yeah.. with some positive but still negative in the end.
I think this guy didn't play this game anymore but maybe he read some forum and make thing up.
The whole pictures they post along with review are before patch 1.18 ( as you can see, no monster icon and there's old monster icon in the sabotender picture )
For me, FFXIV can't compare to other KMMO or English MMO in market.. but this patch is start to make thing right. -
10-13-2011, 12:48 AMKiote
Anyone else notice he thinks the level 15 Dungeon is an instance?
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10-13-2011, 12:51 AMAngryNixonThanks for pointing those terms out. The Yellow Journalism entry in Wikipedia has a very funny picture that is apt on many levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallera
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10-13-2011, 12:54 AMPetdo
I do some research for their character on screenshot.. and the result is seem interesting..
[SIZE="5"]I can't even find any of them on FFXIV players database![/SIZE]
This pic
http://images.mmorpg.com/features/56...ges/FFXIV6.png
Skip Justin, his name yield too much result
Try search : Trague Mephiras = No result
Try search : Tristamus Astelpho = No result
After 2nd search and no result... I can say that this review cannot trust.
They don't play this game after patch at all. They just use some...random pic they found on internet and post it in their review.
I still wonder why I can't find those name on database... maybe it's a old player and they already delete that char.
Or even worse, those name and screenshots are from FFXIV Beta.
Just another search
http://images.mmorpg.com/features/56...s/FFXIV3_t.jpg
Tortoise Torturer = no result
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10-13-2011, 01:03 AMHoly_Dragoon
I can tell you first hand that Justin Beiber in that screenshot is a Beta Character on Mysidia. Why because if you look at the chat overlay (which is Mumble by the way), you will see Impulse. I know Impulse :P I also was present at this location taking screenshots of the Ul'dah sunrise.
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10-13-2011, 01:03 AMGramulI believe someone mentioned that was the case.Quote:
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10-13-2011, 01:16 AMHoly_Dragoon
That screen is from a little mini-beta event we called The Sunrise Party
http://i.imgur.com/MeWSA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/z9IJt.jpg
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10-13-2011, 01:39 AMVelhart
While that review was as biased as you can get, MMORPG.com, not shocking at all. I have never gone on there without asking myself, "What will they say to bash such and such this time?". I don't take them seriously, and most people don't.
I will say however, that I will still not recommend this game to anyone simply because everything Yoshida wants to put in place has not been implemented yet. I want people to experience the game in it's new vision, revamped maps, and new systems in the PS3 version, which is obviously the finished revamp of the game. I don't want to recommend something to someone and then say off this will be fixed soon. I want them to play and simply enjoy it, instead of helping build it up. Plus, none of my friends never stay on an MMO that long, so no point really.
So as I agree with the statement, his are for the wrong reasons. The game has improved immensely and is definitely in a playable state. The user interface lag is nearly non-existent, I don't see why this is brought up. It is just as fast to access something as it was in FFXI. The game is built to function with a controller or mouse/keyboard, he doesn't understand why the interface has to be set up in a certain fashion.
Also, just grinding? Sure if you want to PL, which is being readjusted. Yet, there is a bunch of things to do to level such as side questing, lv.15 and 25 dungeon, and so on. While the best method is grinding, the options are available. He also needs to get out of the state of mind that guildleves are the main focus of the game, this is not true anymore. Guildleves are simply a method of gaining EXP and gil. It is good for the solo players and in no way is the guildleve system enforced upon you. Why overly criticize it?
He also doesn't mention how the difficulty of end game has people hooked in and eager to defeat Ifrit. Needing to build up your gear to be able to face him. He doesn't mention that the game has right now long term goals, which it didn't have pre-1.19 and is a common method practiced in almost all other MMOs.
He doesn't know what he is talking about and obviously the only knowledge he has is by reading what others have said and not truly experienced it himself. -
10-13-2011, 01:42 AMKingZeus
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the 2nd pic down of Crimson Wolf posing is a pic of my linkshell buddy that i uploaded to ffxivpro the other day LOLOLOL
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10-13-2011, 02:43 AMzaviermhigo
I hate mmorpg.com even if XIV was the best game ever and everyone agreed they would say "omg ui is still crap, so this game is awful" they always look for one reason to totally discredit all progress made like "oh chocobos and airships, what took so long" a dev team change you complete and utter retards, if they actually kept on the game instead of playing w/e awful spammer mmo takes up their time, they would know a dev team change is what took everything so effin long! God, Rift comes out with a new patch and its effing bomb.com off the bat(yes I said that, I was born in 1990, FU)
PS, i dont think the reviewers play the game when they review, they have said blatantly some stuff that's wrong about the game in their "game impressions" leading me to believe they read dev comments and patch notes (more like have interns read them), then they play this telephone type game where one person sends them crap over email, and the last person to get the info is the "reviewer", and so the information is totally effing awful. -
10-13-2011, 03:00 AMDelsus
This is depressing, i'm still banned from there after I did nothing but disagree with them on the post 1.18 review, I think i'm banned till November, but that review is more of mmorpg.com's bs, while I do agree with alot of it, it is still highly biased, they think they can cover it up with a few good comments, but they go into great detail of how this, that and the other is crap and a sentence saying "hmmmm, I guess I could say the ifrit fight is okish" while I would say it is an accurate review at the time it is still too biased to be a good place for information.
If the ifrit fight is as exciting as he attempted to make it look it should go somthing like this "Patch 1.19 finally allowed players to lock hors with ifrit, this fight is both exciting and requires alot of skill. If players are still debating whether to buy the game or returning players want to give the game a second chance I would say this fight is the most exciting part of the game so far, this alone is almost worth the grind to level 50, however because of the things mentioned above I cannot recomend the game to people at this point"
This would be one of the last paragraphs (ifrit fight would be mentioned earlier to keep people reading) while it is negetive it shows that the reviewer is trying to avoid a biased comment. That was just off the top of my head and could probably be written better in more time but to me seems alot better than the amature reviewers on that website. -
10-13-2011, 03:25 AMTonyMontana
I guess you folks who enjoy the game need to get to blogging, maybe start a website that gets tens of thousands of hits a day to combat these unfair depictions of FFXIV.
Do any of you expect the other sites who rated FFXIV so poor at the begining to actually "see the light" in the next 6 months or so before PS3 release?
I think luke warm reviews are the best FFXIV can expect untill they completely trash the current UI and make it very user friendly, completely overhaul combat and make it fun, add an auction house and add lots more content...LOTS. This game over a year after release doesnt have nearly as much content as some MMOs released 5-10 years ago AT THEIR RELEASE. -
10-13-2011, 03:25 AMOnidemon
you do have to admit that he has some good points. 1.19 is great, nobody is saying otherwise. But is it good enough to turn the game around? Is it enough to attract new players or bring back the ones who left? No it's not.
BUT! 1.19 is just the beginning. The tip of the iceberg. It let's us see what the future holds but we are not there yet. My guess is 1.22 or 1.23 will be the point where the battle system is completely finished, jobs are added, a reasonable amount of gear and content will be there too and MAYBE we will have the UI and new maps by then too. Then and only then will this game be considered a finished product. -
10-13-2011, 03:29 AMBrillenBoth os these are great points. Showing only one action bar is horrible, and quest reward is a joke. Something like 2 mob kills worth for much much more time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibian
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10-13-2011, 03:32 AMTonyMontanaSince literally beta we have always been 1 patch or a few patches away from a good MMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onidemon
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10-13-2011, 03:34 AMGramulSide quests where really made for lore expansion, so the rewards aren't really the big deal, at least for me. But I do think they could be a bit more inventive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brillen
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10-13-2011, 03:38 AMOnidemonTrue but back then we never knew in what direction the games was heading. Now we have a good idea of what's to expect and the major changes are happening only now.. before it was small tweaks here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
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10-13-2011, 03:44 AMzed32Exactly. My one friend and I just started to get back in hardcore and we were loving the patch. Deleted our characters and started anew. Played our first 12hr marathon session, felt like I was 14 years old again. But when we invited some of our other friends in we realized we have just gotten used to all the little weird quirks that put a lot of other players off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
It was sort of a kill joy being asked 'How do we mail stuff?' - 'Any easier way to trade/sell/etc.' - 'Can we customize the chocos?' - 'So what do I do now that I'm too low level to continue the main story line' - 'Wheres jobs?' - 'They need more side quests' - 'How do I find parties, are there open parties in this game, hows the party search work?' - 'So we just uh grind for xp? no questing or any other way?' - 'These leves are getting boring, anything new?' - 'Do we have houses and such?' - 'What about these link shell commands?' - and my answer being the same 'uh...its coming soon...i think?' -
10-13-2011, 03:49 AMSagagemini
This game will be a 5 for a long time.
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10-13-2011, 04:03 AMAnapingofness
I can understand where the review is coming from... but my question to everyone out there is- With a game like FFXIV, what do you start fixing first?
There is just so much to fix... Personally, I think Yoshi-P and the Dev team have been doing a good job but I also think that they're spreading themselves too thin in certain respects. That is why we still have some of the same issues since day one.
I think they should simply focus on one thing, fix it, move to another.
However, from what I've seen on the forums I don't think that this player base (or what's left of it) will allow for that type of a path. Most of what I have seen has been "Omg why isn't X fixed" or "I want Y to be fixed!".
In my opinion, patch 1.19 was the first "real" patch because it brought so much to the game. However, I wouldn't call them 50% way to anything. I'd put them at 30% because there is still a lot of issues that need to be addressed such as actual story lines of the cities and grand companies. (to list an example)
Story lines are the cornerstone of what makes an FF an FF, yet such an important part of it has been left to the birds for now. They need to introduce plot and add more content that spans levels 1 to 50 because all there is right now is content AT level 50, thus the whining about the PLing.
All in all though, I think FFXIV is getting better. I've stuck around to see what it can become because I do have faith that it will become something good. For all of their hard work, I think Yoshi-P and the dev team deserve a sound round of applause.
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10-13-2011, 04:52 AMVesperI agree with parts of the review, but like many asshat reviews out there, he only play tested a few things then had the nerve to write a review about the entire patch. He didn't even mention the majority of the changes, which as a review worth his salt should always do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibian
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10-13-2011, 05:22 AMJennestiaUh..many MMOs released 5-10 years ago had little to no content. If people consider guildleves as no content you can't consider the kill quests said MMOs had content. Most MMOs released 5-10 years ago had hundreds of "Kill 5+ Mob1,Mob2,Mob3 (various other amounts)" and "Retrieve (interactive item in the field)" quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyMontana
All are the same with a different coat of paint.
Given your constant negativity towards this game it's not unexpected you're overlooking the blatant bias against this game -- Using CONFIRMED OLD screenshots even from BETA as part of the review? Completely overlooking the meat of the patch?Quote:
I guess you folks who enjoy the game need to get to blogging, maybe start a website that gets tens of thousands of hits a day to combat these unfair depictions of FFXIV.
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10-13-2011, 05:26 AMXxOstiaxXVanilla wow had more content in it's starting zones than this games has up to date :) Dare to disagree please :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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10-13-2011, 05:38 AMVelhartIn FFXIV, you went to an NPC, grabbed quests, did the quests, and got EXP/currency.Quote:
Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX
WoW, you went to an NPC, grabbed quests, did the quests, and got EXP/currency.
You did not do anything beyond that.
Like Jennestia said, just a different coat of paint. The main problem with FFXIV at the time was limiting how much you could play. -
10-13-2011, 07:19 AMTibianIt isn't half-complete though. He was low level. He's not just going to get access to Ifrit without doing some leveling/power leveling/quests/etc. The point is, I see people crying for level cap increase, when there isn't enough content right now to satiate the lower levels. The only thing low level people have right now that is worth doing are behests, caravans, the level 15 dungeon, and regular grinding. You can't expect to say "oh, just play through the first 49 levels and then once you hit 50 you can start to play for real." That isn't how games work. You should have fun the entire spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vesper
So, from this reviewers standpoint, how can he test Ifrit, or the crafting upgrades, or any of the stuff past level 20. The game is not all about "end-game." Furthermore, the end game that does exist now is still very weak in many many ways. So he focused on what hasn't changed yet that needs to: the archaic interface, emptiness of the game content, and repetitive and monotonous gameplay. -
10-13-2011, 07:24 AMVesperPersonally I do not want to see a level cap increase for another year. I would say a few months after PS3 release would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibian
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10-13-2011, 07:32 AMRuisu
I don't know why the opinion of a site that seriously thinks that The Old Republic or Guild Wars 2 will be anything revolutionary is even being taken into consideration. I mean, Guild Wars 2 may be fun, but TOR looks awful.
They can enjoy their hotkey masher and online dating sims, I really don't care. They gave Flyff a higher score than FFXI back in the day as well, so they just come off as the IGN of MMOs to me.