eso weapons vs relic weapons

I dont even care about these new relic weaps o-O I didnt took care on those others at lv100 and higher!

Its just another extremly massive grindfest. <.<
I dont "play"(grind) 1000hours for just 1 weapon.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

For storage, yes. Sadly, a retainer cannot equip an esoteric weapon as it's job-only. Same reason you cannot give them a relic to equip.
For this reason I believe people are thinking the esoteric weapon is needed for the relic. But we'll just have to wait ans see.

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I think we will need a 1 or 2 star crafted green lv60 weapon with 2 or 3 IV materias in it.

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Originally Posted by itti18

its highly likely that in 3.1 its going to be possible to upgrade eso weapons with loot from the 24 man raid

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I doubt that the upgrade items will be in the new 24 man raid at the start.
If the devs do it like with CT then the upgrade items for the gear will be in 3.15 and for the weapons in 3.16

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Originally Posted by Felis

I think we will need a 1 or 2 star crafted green lv60 weapon with 2 or 3 IV materias in it.

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This is what I'm personally thinking of too. Just like the originals.
Even though we have little reason to believe it'll parallel the original quest.

How can anyone NOT have their AF2 weapon yet? O.o

Even casuals have had more than sufficient time. I'm not sure why this question even exists.

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Originally Posted by Hieral

How can anyone NOT have their AF2 weapon yet? O.o

Even casuals have had more than sufficient time. I'm not sure why this question even exists.

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I guess they're asking if they should save their Esoterics for something else? In which case, you should be close to fully geared in Esoterics when 3.1 hits regardless, with a weapon.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I dont even care about these new relic weaps o-O I didnt took care on those others at lv100 and higher!

Its just another extremly massive grindfest. <.<
I dont "play"(grind) 1000hours for just 1 weapon.

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It's only grindy when the steps add up. When you're playing as they are released, every relic step can be done in under a week of casual play.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

I guess they're asking if they should save their Esoterics for something else? In which case, you should be close to fully geared in Esoterics when 3.1 hits regardless, with a weapon.

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Some folks don't focus on one class for Esoterics, too. Or they might have leveled more slowly and have only recently hit 60. Others prioritize glamour items or lowest item level stuff, or they might get things that they can use on more than one class first. A lot of people also don't realize how significant Weapon Damage is compared to all other stats, and so might not realize that the weapon is a larger upgrade than say, body or legs.

some questions should be: what will the initial iLv of that weapon be? and how easily repeatable will be the quest to require one?

if you get a 200 weapon for something that can be done over and over again like the first relic quest in 2.0 then a lot of eso were "wasted"...

if we already start with some heavy grind and a 210 weapon (or even just 200) then eso weapons are still a good choice.

also if SE keeps it like this for the next set of tomestones (making weapons easily available) it's questionable if the new relic is even worth the time investment

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

It's only grindy when the steps add up. When you're playing as they are released, every relic step can be done in under a week of casual play.

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I'm sorry, but what? Some of the original steps in the relic upon release were FAR from a week's worth of casual play. Abysmally low drop rates on Atma, obscene amounts of mythology tomes for the Animus books coupled with the ridiculously long FATE timers back then, grinding light, getting seventy-five alexandrite and (decent) materia melded (successfully)... the list goes on.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

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30-80 hour grind for a 210-215 weapon. If it's more 30+ hours and i200-i205 there's no way in Hell I'm going to waste my time with it, no one would would you can just upgrade the Esoterics. Any longer than a 80 hour grind and I'm not going to bother either way, I'll get the glamour when it's nerfed. I think that seems fair, at 990 Esoterics it would take just slightly more than 13 DREX runs, an average of 30 minutes per run would put that at 6.5 hours. There's no way a weapon that easily obtainable should be on par with a relic, they take absolutely no effort or time.

Did someone say the original Relic base was the former tiers Mythology weapon?
So currently are not poetics the current version of 2.0 mythology? Maybe the base for the new relic could be the i130 magitek weapons?

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Originally Posted by T2teddy

Did someone say the original Relic base was the former tiers Mythology weapon?
So currently are not poetics the current version of 2.0 mythology? Maybe the base for the new relic could be the i130 magitek weapons?

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No, the precursor was some (crafted?) random weapon which you had to slot materia into, you had to spend tomes for upgrade items, not a precursor.

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Originally Posted by Azper

I'm sorry, but what? Some of the original steps in the relic upon release were FAR from a week's worth of casual play. Abysmally low drop rates on Atma, obscene amounts of mythology tomes for the Animus books coupled with the ridiculously long FATE timers back then, grinding light, getting seventy-five alexandrite and (decent) materia melded (successfully)... the list goes on.

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Alexandrite was the exception, sorry. That would easily take a month or longer.

The others weren't that bad though, unless atma RNG hated you.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Alexandrite was the exception, sorry. That would easily take a month or longer.

The others weren't that bad though, unless atma RNG hated you.

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The Zodiac step took me about 90 hours including queue times, that a little over 3 weeks of playing 4 hours a day unless your idea of casual play is 6+ hours...

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Originally Posted by Colorful

No, the precursor was some (crafted?) random weapon which you had to slot materia into, you had to spend tomes for upgrade items, not a precursor.

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To be correct, Gerolt used the weapon with materias in it as craft material for the unfinished relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

The Zodiac step took me about 90 hours including queue times, that a little over 3 weeks of playing 4 hours a day unless your idea of casual play is 6+ hours...

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What he mean is maybe that it was fast done for a lucky casual player ^^

I'm sure someone said that it wasn't going to be EX hard to get the relic and I can understand that but if you go back to the initial stage Ifrit, Garuda and Titan HARD with i60-i70 gear (300 myth cap per week meant you might have 1 or 2 pieces of i90 if you wait a few weeks) was NOT easy. It was evidenced by the fact that there was many titan hard runs being sold by FC's that there was enough demand for people to want to be carried on it. Also I believe from most responses over time that it was the most favoured part of the relic quest as it was the least grind and had the most objective approach to the upgrade. I would not be surprised to see something similar in future.

They could easily start the relic with the i210 esoteric weapon since all it would require is a player to spend ESO getting the 200 antiquated piece and then have them run the new 24 man raid for an upgrade piece. The major issue with this is you can't really push the weapon past i210 as relics don't ever outshine final raid weapons until the last patch before the next raid tier. What this means is you would have a 210 piece that would just change into another 210 piece which would be absolutely pointless.

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Originally Posted by Firepower

What this means is you would have a 210 piece that would just change into another 210 piece which would be absolutely pointless.

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I don't know about that, people have been wanting a little horizontal progression for a while now. Maybe it steps sideways into stat reallocation? I mean, the esoterics weapons have the exact same stat spread as the original Relics so who's to say the esoteric weapons aren't the Mythic's "Relic" and "Zenith" stages with the upcoming quest serving as the "Atma" stage. We really don't know so saying anything would be pointless is... pointless.

Seeing how we only have the past to go on.....

If you don't have a ilevel 200 weapon. Eso will be a nice stepping stone as you grind your way threw the requirements needed to get Relic to 200+

Either way, the 200 Eso weapon will help you as you try to obtain the relic.

I have too many roles to gear. I'll wait on the clarity of an announcement for the new relic before deciding if I want an eso weapon or not for my main. It's not like I struggle with duties and I don't do Savage. I suspect they might allow a higher eso cap soon enough.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I have too many roles to gear. I'll wait on the clarity of an announcement for the new relic before deciding if I want an eso weapon or not for my main. It's not like I struggle with duties and I don't do Savage. I suspect they might allow a higher eso cap soon enough.

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Eso cap will not change before 3.2
But in 3.1 it will be faster to reach the cap (increased tome rewards in odd numbered patches, if they do it like during 2.x).

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

If you are dps you should be using whatever the highest ilvl weapon available is. At 3.1 two things are likely going to happen, the eso weapons will be able to be upgraded to 210 and the relic quest will drop. Chances are there will be a hours and hours of grinding involved and there's a good chance it won't be bis until the end of the 3.1 cycle before 3.2 drops the new raid.
So realistically you probably have another month and a half until you get a relic that's comparable to the eso weapon.

Weapon is always the largest upgrade so personally as a dps and tank I always get them no matter what. But whether the value is good enough for you is completely up to you.

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The eso weapon can already be upgraded though...