Doubling Up - Skills that can Macro together.

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Originally Posted by JackFross

I've seen/heard of some dragoons doing a macro to combine Wheeling Thrust and Fang and Claw, since only one of them can ever be used at a time. I don't endorse GCD macros, since there's enough of a delay that it'll impact your output, but that IS one that'll save you space if you're that desperate for it.

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/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
/ac "Wheeling Thrust"
/ac "Fang and Claw"
...etc

i do this, im on controller btw

ALTHOUGH, i do have an extra spot tat i donno what to put on right now...

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Originally Posted by ruskie

BLM: all thunders on one button highest to lowest

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Don't do this. Cast Thunder 1 during Umbral Ice phase, and Thunder 3 (or 2 if you don't have 3 yet) for procs. Hard casting Thunder 3 is a dps loss because of it's long cast time.

One BLM macro I use is:

/ac "Surecast"
/ac "Physick"

Press it once for Surecast, press it again (and again and again and again) to heal. If you don't have anyone else targeted, it will target you. Very useful to spam on yourself when you get rezed, or to spam on the tank and other DPS when the healer dies.

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Originally Posted by Coltvoyance

Monk:
Tornado Kick + Form Shift
Fists of Fire + Fists of Earth/Wind (choose one)

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Thanks for the macro tip. finally can get 2 free slot lol

For nearly every skill "covered" by the skill in /micon I keep a copy on an horizontal bar over my crossbar to see their CDs.

DRG:
Power Surge + Jump (you should use them oGCD to maximise the result like Skill> PS > Skill > Jump)
Life Surge + Full Thrust (don't do this, it's bad!)
Mantra + Second Wind
Wheeling Thrust + Fang and Claw

WHM/SCH/AST
Stone3/Broil/Malefic2 + Stone2/Ruin/Malefic (both with <t> and <tt> convenient for synched duties and DPSing while keeping both eyes on the tank and focus target on the boss)

Stoneskin II + Stoneskin

Diurnal Sect + Nocturnal Sect

SMN
Swiftcast + Summon (+ the skill changing macro based on the pet you are summoning)
Rouse + Spur

DRK
Mercy Stroke + Hard Slash
Blood Weapon + Blood Price

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Originally Posted by Greven

For nearly every skill "covered" by the skill in /micon I keep a copy on an horizontal bar over my crossbar to see their CDs.

DRG:
Power Surge + Jump (you should use them oGCD to maximise the result like Skill> PS > Skill > Jump)
Life Surge + Full Thrust
Mantra + Second Wind
Wheeling Thrust + Fang and Claw

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I wasn't going to but I have to. The other ones are fine. But LS+FT is bad. You don't only use LS with FT. At 50, you use it with CT or FT (whichever comes next) assuming you have the CT positional.

This macro also (from my own personal experience) causes a lot of issues with getting FT to actually hit. Due to the already tight nature of BotD when used optimally, delaying your GCD because LS came back JUST BEFORE the GCD reset (a situation where you would ideally just hold it and use it on the subsequent fourth hit) is not a good idea.

Also, SW and Mantra are starkly different skills used in different circumstances, so I'm not sure I agree with them being bundled up.



LAST THING.

Does a Diurnal Sect / Nocturnal Sect macro work? Wouldn't you always just be stuck toggling on/off the first one you put in the macro?From 56 to 60, you use it with FT, FaC, or WT (whichever comes next) assuming you get positional on FaC/WT.

I always have had

/ac Swiftcast
/ac Resurrection

on.....SMN

Yes cause I am one of the few summoners who remember we can raise lol
Its great to help out low mp, busy or dead healers and helps to get pts members up in a crunch

There is nothing more annoying than smns who refuse to raise and just sit there and spam ruin til the whole pt, themselves included, is dead. lol

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Originally Posted by JackFross

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Ahah if I'm doing something very bad I'm happy to be corrected. DRG is not my main so I yeah.. I try to follow the basic opener and putting LS before FT doesn't mean I always use LS with FT: I know it's there so I can push it once to activate LS and then using it with the first CT, F&C/WT or Geir but if not I thought it's better to use it than wait more so FT is like the last chance as it's one of the strongest hit. I never notice LS failing as it has a nice visual effect too and you can still use it oGCD. Thought would you suggest to just remove it? I'd be just one skill of the counter ahah

It's really rare that I need Second Wind and if I do pretty sure I'll be waiting a heal soon and the mantra that came before will just make the heal nicer, I find way more use for Mantra that's why it's in the first line. To be honest I just wanted to make everything stay in the first crossbar + the R2/L2 quickbars and this way it works fine.

Diurnal/Nocturnal work just like the monk fist of fire/wind or Sword/Shield Oath macro: one push and you switch from one stance to the other as needed as you don't go around stanceless.

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Originally Posted by Greven

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To be honest I just wanted to make everything stay in the first crossbar + the R2/L2 quickbars and this way it works fine.

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I have Heavy Thrust and Leg Sweep doubled up and manage to fit all my skills on my main bar and extended. I just tap R1 to swap for AoE stuff, since that's used basically never in any content that "matters." (Primals, raids, etc)

My hotbars.

Under the cut - someone who doesn't like the unresponsiveness of macros whines about the unresponsiveness of macros.

The main problem with GCD macros is lag. Inherent lag in the macro. I'll try and take a video tonight to show you the difference between what I mean here. With a skill on the bar, you can queue it up. You can hit the button before it's fully filled and it'll activate as soon as it's done. Pressing it sorta has a 1-second delay during which the skill is in queue and will be used if it becomes available. When you use the /ac command, the action is activated immediately, unless it's not ready, in which case it's dropped from queue immediately. It doesn't have the same grace period. This causes inherent lag in skills because you have to press the button immediately as the GCD resets, the game then has tor register the button press, and then the skill activates. Compared to a skill being on the bar itself, where you can tap it once within that half-second or so grace period and it'll activate the moment the gcd finishes refilling.

That's not to say you CAN'T use them, I just personally think they should be avoided whenever possible. Life Surge > Full Thrust mostly causes issues if Life Surge comes back just as your GCD resets and you're up to Full Thrust in the combo (which *does* happen, every time you do the full rotation proper) because your macro will force you to activate Life Surge and delay your GCD despite it being full. Without the macro, you'd just hit FT as LS refills, tap LS, and hit FaC/WT. With the macro, you'd spam your FT macro with full GCD for a second while LS animates so you can crit FT before you hit FaC/WT and possibly loose Blood due to delay that shouldn't have happened.

(also quick correction- at 60 it's just FT/FaC/WT, not CT; using it on CT is a loss over saving it the extra GCD for the FaC/WT that follows it. It's only a gain in the *rare* situation where you will HIT the CT positional and then will MISS the FaC/WT positional.)

#DRGproblems

Also I just don't have Mantra crossed on my DRG, so that's why I don't really know what to do with it, tbh. I have Foresight there, instead, which I similarly never use.
But Mantra use should ideally be planned with your healer to be used at certain points, whereas Second Wind is a reactive cooldown to heal yourself after you take a hit you shouldn't have. At 60, it's a cool 2000 (3200 if it crits!) health heal which normally can make up enough of a difference to save you from raid damage that would have killed you without it. The Sluice into Splash part of A3S comes to mind as a point where Second Wind has saved me after accidentally double-Sluicing myself.



THAT ALL SAID.

I think the FaC/WT macro is a good one for casual play; it streamlines a lot, especially until you get the hang of how the skills work.

I also don't think the Mantra/SW one is actually necessarily bad, I just think those skills have different uses so it's a little awkward (to me) to snap them together.

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Originally Posted by Greven

For nearly every skill "covered" by the skill in /micon I keep a copy on an horizontal bar over my crossbar to see their CDs.

DRG:
Power Surge + Jump (you should use them oGCD to maximise the result like Skill> PS > Skill > Jump)
Life Surge + Full Thrust
Mantra + Second Wind
Wheeling Thrust + Fang and Claw

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I must point out there are rare scenarios where you Don't want to Power Surge + Jump. For example, when you know a burst phase is coming up within the next 60 seconds, its better to use uncharged jump, then Power Surge for the second jump especially if you can align PS with BoTD + BFB.
Secondly, PS is one of those skills which lends itself to be easily double weaved, you almost always want to pair PS with another oGCD like IR, Life, BFB, BoTD, LegS etc etc.

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Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

I must point out there are rare scenarios where you Don't want to Power Surge + Jump. For example, when you know a burst phase is coming up within the next 60 seconds, its better to use uncharged jump, then Power Surge for the second jump especially if you can align PS with BoTD + BFB.
Secondly, PS is one of those skills which lends itself to be easily double weaved, you almost always want to pair PS with another oGCD like IR, Life, BFB, BoTD, LegS etc etc.

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If Power Surge + Jump v regular Jump is what's making or breaking whether or not you down a particular dps check, you should re-evaluate what everyone is doing, because that's incredibly unlikely and I'm about 100% positive it would be unnecessary. I can't say I'd ever agree with holding PS for your next Jump. Then again, I can't say I'd ever agree with holding any CD on DRG at all (excluding Geirskogul, Blood of the Dragon, and Life Surge) for "bonus" damage in choice moments.

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Originally Posted by NeoZanther

Yep, works nicely. Just have to have a wait between applying Tri and Con, so now I have room for her aoe on my main bar :)

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For Arealslash, you could macro this with Bane or Painflare to save another spot. I use Tri + Con & Areal + Bane myself and they work great for me :)

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Originally Posted by JackFross

Huge snipy

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Nice thing having your hotbar uploaded, I've already changed mine a bit based on yours and it all works fine even with 1 less macro. Thanks ;)

It might just be the way I have my bars set up and I play on controller as a Dragoon yet I don't see any need for macros. but I do hope if ppl are having trouble the and get it fixed I saw some were that for those that play controller weither your pc or ps4 that there is a way to merge your left and right bars to help simplify switching between them. by doing so some were in the character config.

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Originally Posted by NeoZanther

Would there be a way to macro Tri-Disaster and Conflag together? If so, would be nice as I can move Garudias cone aoe to Conflags spot and use it more effectivly.

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Are you referring to Contagion? Otherwise, what Conflag do you mean?

If it's Contagion, it doesn't really work because Garuda will use it before Tri-Disaster's DoTs are fully applied. It will sometimes work if she is preoccupied with another attack and Contagion is delayed, but it's too unreliable.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Are you referring to Contagion? Otherwise, what Conflag do you mean?

If it's Contagion, it doesn't really work because Garuda will use it before Tri-Disaster's DoTs are fully applied. It will sometimes work if she is preoccupied with another attack and Contagion is delayed, but it's too unreliable.

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Hmm worked fine for me most of the times... dunno why so many people have problems with this combination : /

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Originally Posted by Neela

Hmm worked fine for me most of the times... dunno why so many people have problems with this combination : /

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I think it's the "most of the time" part that has people saying it's bad.

This is easily rectified, though, by just adding a <wait.1> or <wait.2> to the end of the Tri-Disaster bit.

/ac "Tri-Disaster" <t> <wait.2>
/pac "Contagion" <t>

Or something like this. It'll give Tri-Disaster time to settle before Garuda pops Contagion. As long as you aren't spamming multiple macros, it should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Neela

Hmm worked fine for me most of the times... dunno why so many people have problems with this combination : /

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I think it's the "most of the time" part that has people saying it's bad.

This is easily rectified, though, by just adding a <wait.1> or <wait.2> to the end of the Tri-Disaster bit.

/ac "Tri-Disaster" <t> <wait.2>
/pac "Contagion" <t>

Or something like this. It'll give Tri-Disaster time to settle before Garuda pops Contagion. As long as you aren't spamming multiple macros, it should be fine.

(But really you should just be using Ifrit because he's actually a dps increase)

I really felt like BLM had too many buttons after 60, so I worked macros into my rotation. The big ones I use are:
Quelling Strikes -> Sharpcast -> Fire III (Three button presses)
Raging strikes -> Leylines -> Enochian -> Fire I (Four button presses)
Then I just fire IV until
Swiftcast - Flare - Convert (Three button presses. Convert fires first if I fudged my mp management which is a good thing most of the time.)

I used to swiftcast the fire III, but I found out that it's better to leave swifcast for manual use outside of flare. I suppose you could macro it to Blizzard IV... but that's not always needed and may not always be worth it. I also use convert in the same manner. It's on the bar for emergency use, but mostly I use it for flare. I also have a bar without macros, but I mostly use that just do ARR rotations without wasting cool downs. I also track cool downs on a different bar all together.

Adding one new born macro foe summoner:

Dreadwyrm Trance + Deathflare

You need to keep the CDs in check obviously but it runs perfectly cause Trance only works if you have 3 Aetherthrail stacks while Deathflare only works if you have Trance on

This might be a very specific one you won't use very often but I still find it handy. I'm a DRG btw. I have one button that I've put in every buff I have available. If I find myself in Chrysalis, be it to help a friend out or getting it in roulette, I quickly put this macro on my hotbar. I spam it right as I'm about to sucked into the void or whatever it's called. It can also be used right at the end of a fight like Odin when he starts casting Zantetsuken, or on the Mog King.

The main reason I'm writing here is because it made me so happy, and I'm excited to try some of these out on my different classes (as soon as the EU server is up) and I just wanted to thank y'all that have contributed to this thread. You rock!

In most cases macros with several skills (be they GCD or oGCD) will never work reliably enough to be good and with extended crossbars you'll always have enough space for all your stuff within 2-3 crossbars anyway, even on pet classes.

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Originally Posted by Greven

Adding one new born macro foe summoner:

Dreadwyrm Trance + Deathflare

You need to keep the CDs in check obviously but it runs perfectly cause Trance only works if you have 3 Aetherthrail stacks while Deathflare only works if you have Trance on

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Hmm interessting thought... but how would it look like if you want combine it with Raging Strike?

my current macro looks like:

/recast "Raging Strike"
/ac "Raging Strike"
/wait
/ac "Dreadwyrm Trance

so i could simply add

/ac "Deathflare" ?

would it work like this: first push buff+stance > second push Deathflare?

dont know if this would be more handy than a seperated Deathflare hmm - whatcha think?

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Originally Posted by Neela

Hmm interessting thought... but how would it look like if you want combine it with Raging Strike?

my current macro looks like:

/recast "Raging Strike"
/ac "Raging Strike"
/wait
/ac "Dreadwyrm Trance

so i could simply add

/ac "Deathflare" ?

would it work like this: first push buff+stance > second push Deathflare?

dont know if this would be more handy than a seperated Deathflare hmm - whatcha think?

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Well to start I don't know what the /recast macro does XD

That said RS is a real important buff but this way you can use it when you need as well, you should maybe put /ac Deathflare before /ac Dreadwyrm and remove the /wait. It should work, the only problem I see is that if you want to throw Deathflare fast and RS just went out of CD you'd risk to loose the former and waste the buff..