I think that EU players have paid enough already during 2+ years while having a worse experience than what those on the other two supported areas had (and they weren't paying more than us euros for that "premium"). But now you tell them to pay again to get the proper one once we finally get it, while NA players can move away for free because God forgive us if, because of their very own decision when selecting a server, they ever have to deal with the connection issues that EU players will have had to deal with until October of this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterre
I'm sorry, but it should be free for everyone or for no one (as far as the Chaos datacenter is concerned, of course). It makes no sense, it's not fair, and many people have explained why.
Concerns about the Chaos datacenter decisions
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09-22-2015, 12:43 AMYshnal
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09-22-2015, 02:58 AMSterre
Well, people seem to have very different views about this, but for me it makes sense that there's transfer fee for EU players. However, I understand why people think it's unfair and the best solution would be add the transfer fee for everyone.
And really, the transfer fee isn't that much, so I don't really understand why this became a problem in the first place. -
09-22-2015, 03:42 AMNessaWyvern
You know who has it worst here? New Zealanders/Australians that now have to leave their friends of two years because the servers would be literally on the other side of the world now. >.>
"You're latency will be worse if you stay, it will be just as bad as it has always been if you leave, but now you won't have any friends! Choose wisely...." T^T
Not to mention there hasn't even been a sniff of info about there being oceanic servers.
>.> I went EU because all of the NA worlds were full, there were 24hr character restrictions a week or so after ARR launch. -
09-22-2015, 03:42 AMKaiKatzchenI don't mean for this to come off rude so please don't take it as such. You're on a server that is being transferred, so regardless of if you're EU and happy to be going or US and getting the free transfer off the issue doesn't effect you money wise. You're not being asked to pay to transfer, so it's easy to say that it's not a lot to spend when one does not have to spend it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterre
But people who have been playing this game since 1.0 who were told no EU server was being considered and it didn't matter where they went - and on top of that saw that all servers were clearly marked 'NA/EU' are being overlooked. It isn't their fault that SE had all servers marked NA/EU and told them it didn't matter where they went because no EU data center was coming and they listened to SE. So why should they pay now that SE has changed their mind when they, in fact, followed SE's rules at the time?
I understand you have a very clear point of view on this and regardless what anyone says you might not see the issue since you're getting a free transfer one way or another - but as a 1.0 player who was around at the first transfers and saw that there was no 'clear cut EU server' and no 'EU data center' even planned - I understand their frustration. -
09-22-2015, 05:42 AMYukikoDo you argue same when comparing the costs $ and €Quote:
Originally Posted by Sterre
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09-29-2015, 05:35 PMTrotsky
Any updates?
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10-01-2015, 05:24 PMYshnal
Well, the extensive maintenance announcement came and they simply link the old info with no further update anywhere that I know of, so I guess that's a 'no' to transfers to the Chaos datacenter.
Greedy SE is greedy. I hope that this doesn't backfire you (and then you'll say that there's no market in the EU, instead of "we f*cked it with our service there, sorry"). -
10-01-2015, 06:33 PMSpiritMuse
Well, that's kinda stupid, offering free transfer off the EU servers for any NA people there but NOT offering free transfer TO the EU servers for any EU people not there. Just, why?
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10-01-2015, 06:37 PMWarlyx
good thing is that even if SE doesnt offer free transfer u only need to pay once , not X number of chars u had on the account ;)
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10-01-2015, 06:47 PMsirDartsBecause it makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpiritMuse
NA players who are on Chaos will suddenly get a WORSE gaming experience, so they are offered a transfer as compensation.
On the other hand the gaming experience of EU players outside of Chaos will not change in the slightest, so they don't get a compensation. -
10-01-2015, 08:02 PMFelisThe unofficiall oceanic server is already TomberryQuote:
Originally Posted by NessaWyvern
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10-01-2015, 08:12 PMXiXiQ
I'm wondering how the timing of this is going to work with the next big update. Both seem to be end of october.... seems like a lot to take on at the same time.
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10-01-2015, 08:14 PMYshnalWhere's their compensation for having the Chaos datacenter not in Europe for the last 2 years while paying the same as the other two supported regions? They should get a free transfer option too, especially those that have been here since before the 2.0 version of the game, because of the information and options that they had back in the day (it makes no sense that even legacy players are left in the cold in this whole situation). That's not a nice way to treat those loyal customers that have been here no matter what problems they had with the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by sirDarts
What's the point of having proper EU servers if you don't make it easier for european players to move there? And on top of that you make it easier for people to move away from them, stimulating their population to get smaller. -
10-01-2015, 08:33 PMExsequens
Move all servers to EU for 2 years then we can share the fun for everyone.
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10-01-2015, 08:39 PMFelis3.1 is during the first 10 days of november, not in octoberQuote:
Originally Posted by XiXiQ
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10-01-2015, 09:52 PMSnugglebuttIt does not defy logic or reason at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trotsky
Ragnarok is a very full world and every day I have to queue to get into it despite being my starter world back in 1.0 for example (since the OP kept talking about Ragnarok)...so it makes sense to not allow free transfers to the world unless space is freed up on a large scale, it is possible a free transfer to it could be possible IF enough people transfer off it but not until then. Currently keeping it a charged for service to transfer to it is a way to better manage or reduce that influx while the server is near or at capacity.
It also makes sense to allow free transfers off the data centre for non-EU players which will open up enough space for that potential future free transfer to the worlds, but again you should not put the carriage before the horse. Put simply SE are doing it the smart way and there is logic and reason behind it, allow free transfers off the server for non-EU players first and foremost while not allowing for free transfers to it unless enough space is opened up as an end result of how many leave which is currently unknown as to how many will do so. -
10-01-2015, 10:40 PMFyce
This problem only affects EU Legacy players who didn't pick Ragnarok back when the merge happened.
It would be quite exaggerated to say that it's a huge, mainstream problem. It's not. Only a small part of the current community is concerned.
That being said, I think Legacy users had a good amount of kicks in the butt already... So, giving them a free transfer would be quite nice.
The question is now, if EU Legacy players outside of Chaos would be offered a free transfer to the EU datacenter, would they use it or would they stay on their current server because they would most likely have to leave their FC and friends?
I'll guess that many of these players would just say "f**k it, I'm staying here! So long for the better ping"... which, combined with the already small population of EU Legacy players outside of Chaos results in an even smaller number of people in demand.
So, when you think about the actual number of EU Lecagy players willing to transfer to Chaos and the fact that, if they don't, they'll just keep the same experience (nothing will change for them) you can probably see why SE doesn't think it's worth it.
It's still sad for the people in that case, but at least it's more understandable. -
10-02-2015, 12:58 AMBreathlessTaoIt's a completely different subject that the fact that SE allows free transfers to worlds that are already full also defies logic and reason. Not allowing new characters to be created on those servers means jack s××t if at the same time everyone is allowed to transfer to those same servers whenever. They could lock individual servers down and not allow transfers to them - in general, this is not affected by region or the moving of a servers, at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snugglebutt
The thing is, European players have been pushed to the side for too long (do take a look around and see how even much smaller companies can operate actual European servers from the launch of their games). Now this move is happening, actual European servers for the actual European players, and lo and behold, everyone and their grandmothers who are not European get a free ticket to adjust to it - people whose gaming experience has already been "desirable" so far as well. But not the actual European players, whom this is being done for. Not the actual European players, who have already been suffering a sub-par gaming experience for years. No, the actual European players, who are affected one way or another, are expected to pay even more to adjust to this new situation, to benefit from something that is being done for their sake. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but we all have been paying the same sub fee all this time, everyone's money is already in this move as much as anyone else's.
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10-02-2015, 03:34 AMYukikoNostalgic...Quote:
Originally Posted by sirDarts
It reminds me when we had in 1.x discussions about traffic and lag (there were only japan servers)...
Back then it was said it is our imagination and we just lack on skill...
"Worse gaming experience" -> its a slap into the face of everyone who struggled with titan landslide and any other problem caused by servers!