Final Fantasy 14 is starting to lose appeal because...

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Originally Posted by Dererk

your suggestion isn't helpful not every one feels the need to level every class not to mention you have to gear them when people are already having inventory problems.[/B]

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He's free to pick just one. Instead he's picked none. I did not have any intention of meaning to go get everything to 60, even if that in itself is also an option.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

He's free to pick just one. Instead he's picked none. I did not have any intention of meaning to go get everything to 60, even if that in itself is also an option.

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I picked none? My ninja is my main and it's level 60 and I prefer to stay on it to perfect my rotation and get the top gears for it. Why would I waste time on another class when I'm trying to be the best Ninja?

Also, to the posters before, I quit FFXI many many years ago.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

At this point they should just save on development cost and not bother making them look nice just a grey room with mobs.

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This cracked me up. lol I agree, though.

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Originally Posted by Dererk

All they'd have to do is make every dungeon be a new area in the game after you completed it and give us stuff to do in it.

I mean come on people. All we do in dungeon instances is just run to each boss and fight trash in between. They put time and money to make it all look nice and intreasting only to never go back there unless its for a roulette. At this point they should just save on development cost and not bother making them look nice just a grey room with mobs.

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THANK YOU! Somebody with a brain.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

I read on the FFXI forums that people on there come to this forum to complain on here, then talk about it on the FFXI forum again. Not sure if that's what the OP is doing. Plus on the FFXI forum, they are saying that FFXIV is losing thousands of subs every week and that FFXIV is losing money for Square-Enix.

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If you believe that, then I got a bridge to sell you. We would have had abysmal number of active players by now if the game really was losing thousands of people a week.

I don't think level more jobs is an acceptable answer. Level them and do what exactly? Idle in your housing ward? Do the same two dungeons over and over? Fun. This game needs more variety content.

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Originally Posted by Tenku

THANK YOU! Somebody with a brain.

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"Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid!"
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Don't make forum posts if you are so immensely adamant in your stance on the subject that people arguing with you are inadvertently being referred to as idiots. Forums are for discussion, and discussion sometimes leads to others opposing you. Deal with it without referring to opposition as stupid and lashing out in anger.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

"Anyone who disagrees with me is stupid!"
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Don't make forum posts if you are so immensely adamant in your stance on the subject that people arguing with you are inadvertently being referred to as idiots. Forums are for discussion, and discussion sometimes leads to others opposing you. Deal with it without referring to opposition as stupid and lashing out in anger.

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He has a point. Just because your not listening to it doesn't make it untrue.

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Originally Posted by Naraku_Diabolos

I don't rush to end-game as I know I'll get bored fast. I take my time to play whenever I can because I have a life. Dun-dun-dun~

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I'm sorry but this post is silly.
So you're telling me that those of us who are bored of the same 2.0 routine under a new paint coat has no life and has rushed?
Yeah okay, let's see. It took me a little over 2 weeks to get to 60 on AST and I paced my time.
You get to end-game then what?
2 dungeons, boring raid, a boring raid. [Coil was better IMO.]
I feel like some of you people seriously go on a complete 100% snail's pace just so you can tell people who are tired
of the same silly routine they rushed.

"Level more jobs"
Yay, let's level stuff we don't want to. That doesn't help. It really doesn't help when
you're banging your ahead against a wall as a DPS or so saving Moogles for 50 million hours in Churning Mists while you wait 10 days
for a queue to pop up. By that time I've already logged out.
It's not fun. Leveling other jobs are much more boring than it was in 2.0. I can't take it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

He has a point. Just because your not listening to it doesn't make it untrue.

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Oddly enough it works both ways. Funny how beliefs on a video game can have different approaches, eh? Just because he doesn't listen, doesn't make it untrue.

Edit: Woops was discussing in another thread and got mixed up! :3

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

Oddly enough it works both ways. Funny how beliefs on minuscule glamour based aspects of a video game can have different approaches, eh? Just because he doesn't listen, doesn't make it untrue.

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It doesn't seem like your listening to him. I mean presenting to you two choices.

- More Content.

- Less Content.

The game though, really doesn't support much of it. Less they drop the PS3 completely.

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Originally Posted by Tenku

Don't get me wrong, I love this game, but it's losing it's appeal and that's not a false statement. Every patch/update is the same thing: new tomestones to cap, new CT, new something instanced.

How about add a 100 floor open dungeon? (Sword Art Online style)

Yes, an open dungeon that's 100 floors and you can bump into anybody on the server while trying to get to the top.

This game is suppose to be an MMO, but instead falls into the trap of turning everything into instances so you feel like you're not even part of the fantasy world.

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Yes please. And make the players die in real life too, might make everyone do df more often due to less 'low skilled players'. If you guys suggest something, how about something that is actually worth the dev's time.

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Originally Posted by Kajukai

Yes please. And make the players die in real life too, might make everyone do df more often due to less 'low skilled players'. If you guys suggest something, how about something that is actually worth the dev's time.

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I think this is why people don't like suggesting stuff because you come here and say it's worthless.
Don't see you tossing anything into the pot, friend.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

I'm sorry but this post is stupid. Just saying.
So you're telling me that those of us who are bored of the same 2.0 routine under a pain coat has no life and has rushed?
Yeah okay, let's see. It took me a little over 2 weeks to get to 60 on AST and I paced my time.
You get to end-game then what?
2 dungeons, boring raid, a boring raid. [Coil was better IMO.]
I feel like some of you people seriously go on a complete 100% snail's pace just so you can tell people who are tired
of the same silly routine they rushed.

"Level more jobs"
Yay, let's level stuff we don't want to. That doesn't help. It really doesn't help when
you're banging your ahead against a wall as a DPS or so saving Moogles for 50 million hours in Churning Mists.
It's not fun. Leveling other jobs are much more boring than it was in 2.0. I can't take it anymore.

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Yes, that's one of those judgamental arguments I see from time to time. This has nothing to do with rushing at all. I didn't rush to end game. I leveled several jobs to 60 at a slow pace and here we are. Can't do primals for the stated reasons earlier, done housing. Slowly leveling crafting and gathering (again, not rushing! though honestly, not much of a fan of gathering, but it makes some quick gil). I do my cactpot. Alex is locked out weekly, eso locked weekly, Savage oh don't get me started there. Just because there are "things to do" doesn't mean they are as engaging and fun as going into battles (though I'd argue Alex is any fun.. same for dungeons. I was expecting something more epic when it came to Alexander.). I'm one of those who doesn't cap Eso on the first day, too. So, what rush again?

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

And I think he's being difficult and unrealistic. Like a lot of players (Myself included), we're content locusts. We eat it all up, quickly too. Developers can't possibly keep up with fabulous to keep us 100% occupied 100% of the time (Which funnily enough, he still has things to do, he just doesn't want to do them). This brings us full circle, he's been playing a game for years in which he's been aware of the direction it's been on and seemingly will continue to be on. For what? No good god damn reason. If you're bored with a game, unhappy with a game and KNOW that the direction the game is on is unsuited to make you happy and are not willing or wanting to do any of the content that is remaining to you... Well, like I said, I have no pity for a masochist.

They could add TWICE or THRICE the content they normally do during large patches and it MIGHT last him an extra day or 2 and he'll be right back on here with his cheerleader shouting about how the game doesn't put out enough content to appease is gluttonous and then ungrateful attitude towards the game. FF comes out with polished content patches fairly quickly for an MMO. If he's not happy, and will continue not being happy and KNOWS he won't be happy, why is he here instead of playing something he actually enjoys, will continue to enjoy and like the direction it's going?o you... Well, like I said, I have no pity for a masochist.

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Which is why Themepark games are badly designed in general for Western audiences. However FFXIV is a Japanese game and Japanese players most of them do not have much time to play games. So this content is perfect for them, the caps are actually good because it encourages them to get to bed early and get up for school. Which, isn't really a bad thing. However most MMOs these days are not made for content locusts like EQ/EQ2/SWG/Most old games were made for.

Sandbox games and player made content are a way developers can keep up. Since the players develop the content for other players.

SWG was amazing because there was so much busywork and crafting required other players to literally escort you across dangerous land just to get and place a harvestor. You had to hire players to escort you and it was pretty much a player made quest. So much potential in Sandbox games that are lost because developers are too busy wanting to make things and don't think players can handle it themselves, yet they gobble it all up. =P

Why am I not playing those games? Outdated, or dead. My computer can barely run them because of how old they are.

Not sure we're playing the same game here. I've got two jobs to sixty and I'm still finding a ton of stuff I want to do.

Between leveling alts, gearing alts, unlocking flying in all areas, finally, working on crafting, leveling gathering, farming MPG so I can get the Fenrir mount, working towards my PvP achievements and ranks, I have enough content to last me a long while.

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

I think this is why people don't like suggesting stuff because you come here and say it's worthless.
Don't see you tossing anything into the pot, friend.

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100 floors? Im not saying every suggestion is 'worthless'. Hell there are loads of good suggestions, but doing 100 floors would take the devs an insane amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Kajukai

100 floors? Im not saying every suggestion is 'worthless'. Hell there are loads of good suggestions, but doing 100 floors would take the devs an insane amount of time.

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Nyzul Isle says hi.

Here, http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/N..._Investigation :o

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Originally Posted by Tenku

I picked none? My ninja is my main and it's level 60

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Ah you're right, I do apologize. I misread the level as 50. Miscommunication on my part, I'm sorry.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Not sure we're playing the same game here. I've got two jobs to sixty and I'm still finding a ton of stuff I want to do.

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in a similar boat, still plenty to do on my list - take that hiatus/quit if you're bored

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Not sure we're playing the same game here. I've got two jobs to sixty and I'm still finding a ton of stuff I want to do.

Between leveling alts, gearing alts, unlocking flying in all areas, finally, working on crafting, leveling gathering, farming MPG so I can get the Fenrir mount, working towards my PvP achievements and ranks, I have enough content to last me a long while.

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Right? I'm far from running out of things to do between crafting, gathering, leveling, raiding, and doing random-ass things with my friends like burning down unsynced dungeons for giggles. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone that only does one type of content will run out faster than someone that wants to do all of it.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Which is why Themepark games are badly designed in general for Western audiences. However FFXIV is a Japanese game and Japanese players most of them do not have much time to play games. So this content is perfect for them, the caps are actually good because it encourages them to get to bed early and get up for school. Which, isn't really a bad thing. However most MMOs these days are not made for content locusts like EQ/EQ2/SWG/Most old games were made for.

Sandbox games and player made content are a way developers can keep up. Since the players develop the content for other players.

SWG was amazing because there was so much busywork and crafting required other players to literally escort you across dangerous land just to get and place a harvestor. You had to hire players to escort you and it was pretty much a player made quest. So much potential in Sandbox games that are lost because developers are too busy wanting to make things and don't think players can handle it themselves, yet they gobble it all up. =P

Why am I not playing those games? Outdated, or dead. My computer can barely run them because of how old they are.

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Well, if you stop by the japanese forums you'll see that recently they have been bringing up the exact same topics up.

The game is only a chore if you make it a chore. Take a break if you need to. If you feel OBLIGATED to log in then you're making the game a job. Better to take a break than burn yourself out by forcing yourself to play. If you're bored then go play something else. It's an MMO, not a perpetual fun generator.

I find plenty of things to do every time I log in. PVP, leveling other classes, playing the markets, Gold Saucer, hunts, farming for glamours, doing stuff with my husband or friends, achievements, etc. And on Thursday/Friday I do Savage with my static.

What people are really complaining about is a lack of midcore PVE content, NOT an overall lack of content. There is stuff to do, but it's slim pickings for midcore players who aren't pushing Savage. There is a large portion of the playerbase that is not hardcore enough to do Savage but they log in more frequently than casual players, and it seems like Alex Normal and 2 dungeons aren't really enough to keep them happy.

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Originally Posted by Greedalox

And I think he's being difficult and unrealistic. Like a lot of players (Myself included), we're content locusts. We eat it all up, quickly too. Developers can't possibly keep up with fabulous content to keep us 100% occupied 100% of the time

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So, combining this and the rejection for content longevity and relevance (through gear system reworking), the players who are perfectly fine with this game's current state, they want new content fast but does not want the devs to figure out ways to make the content stick longer than a few months...because they believe that's how many other want it? And then you tell people who don't like this to basically unsub? How do you justify batch subs then? Or even subs at all? Would it not be better if they just sell patches? XIV patches are best around after all right?

You have your merry go round ride and you only want the devs to only replace the horses you sit on every few moths and that's it? You don't want the devs to add a new ride and then upkeep both? People say this is a theme park mmo. When a theme park announces they're expanding, do you expect new rides or do you expect them to just replace the horses, carts, etc and essentially have the same rides?

Whether someone is spent on the game or not completely depends on how much of the game they really like. Final Fantasy XIV has a smorgus board of different game systems crammed into it much like other MMOs out there. The whole point of this is to blanket target as many people as possible to get them to play the game. People who are getting bored of the game are the people interested in the core aspects of the title such as the main story, progression, and little else. Crafting is pretty boring for a lot of people, and without housing that is accessible to the general masses there isn't a lot of incentive to build and settle in. FC housing doesn't even count since people can lose it at a whim, and while plots are available for buying a house in game, the cost is prohibitive.

I guess there is chocobo racing and Triple triad? Are those a thing?

I will admit that I'm playing less these days. There's not as much in the way of end-game content right now (which hopefully 3.1 will help with), and while I used to spend a lot of my downtime working on crafting, the new crafting progression structure (and the lack of meaningful things to craft) has left me without much interest for what was once one of my favorite parts of the game.

I want to see more relevant content somewhere in between Alexander Normal and Alexander Savage. EX primals should be relevant content and ideally provide truly relevant rewards (they were at their best in 2.1, IMO), and I really wish we had a raid tier tuned more like the old Coils.

I am constantly shocked at how many topics are created by OPs that have the gall to say the speak for everyone, or even the majority.

While i get OP's point, i also think he is limiting himself to it.

Yes endgame is dull with only 2 expert dungeons to grind and Alexander Savage might also get repetitive since there are only 4 fights (even though most people havent even beaten it yet)
But as others already said, the game offers alot on the side.

Even if Esos wouldnt be capped, you would end up getting all your gear within a week and then what? Youre still not interested in other classes, you still dont like crafting, you still only have those 2 expert dungeons.

If you get bored by the game, then take a break. Wait for them to add more endgame stuff, which is eventually comming even without this thread.

I for one, still got plenty of stuff to do.
I play alot and usually still end up having not enough time to do everything i need to, which ends up in a big backlog of work i have to do for crafting whenever i do find the time.

My suggestions... Do pvp, level more jobs, do endgame crafting, collect things (mounts, minions, achievements, glamor, cards). Now the game is infinite, or at least has more stuff than is humanly possible to keep up with. The airship battle content coming soon may feel less routine since it seems to be somewhat random. They keep adding new activities layer by layer. PvP is different every match.

Seems like the ones who are on the constant bitch about having nothing to do is needing for some sort of random generated infinite farm content. Not sure what the op is talking about when he mentions about "Being the top in my class" but if progression is what you are talking about then please wait for the next patch if you are already done with all 4 floors of Savage and have equipped your character to the brim with all ilvl210. Or why not just take a break from this game for now and go play Diablo.

Long post sorry

I think the way we should look at this is that raiding/farming tomes is a extra thing to do in ff14 just like sight seeing, hunt logs, crafting etc.

So to say you get burned out doing the same thing is accurate if your constantly running the same raid.

I think the situation is the following ... And correct me if I'm wrong. If we look at ff14 there is a multitude of things to do just as it was said earlier . To some it is of interest to some it is not.

Perhaps there is some type of content that can appeal to players that want something akin to ff11. Albeit... A piece of content that captures the essence of a strong point of 11 and deliver on that.

If we can figure what this is and incorporate into 14 then everyone happy I'd imagine.

There is a content drought atm for people who have completed all of the level 50 content, but 3.1 will fix it most likely.

In the mean time, try Seal Rock or leveling alts. All I can really suggest.

The current minus I feel from this game is this scrips and the ridiculous amount of material to craft (and what the hell with the hidden node?). I don't have spirit like before expansion to craft. Also the craft skill. You know, currently we don't have things to do element craft, but why the hell they put the Name of ____ ? /endrant

My hubby and I are finding many things to do.


You missed out on other things.
Chocobo Racing.
Gardening.
Getting gil for new housing.
PVP

Getting all classes to cap.
Farm Achievement

and WAIT It's an RPG... RP...

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Originally Posted by Tenku

How about add a 100 floor open dungeon? (Sword Art Online style)

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Because Sword Art Online sucks. I would much rather prefer to see things from Log Horizon implemented, which they are.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Why do people keep ignoring half the content we have then saying there's no content?

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Well it's not really different content. It's repeating the same content with a different job. End game is sparse ro be honest. Daily check list is repetitive. Expert for Tome stones. levelling, trial, high roulletes for levelling. Daily hunts. Pretty much only thing look forward to is Savage and with Story mode being partof the story progression, instead of adding it when they normally nerf+echo for those who couldnt do Savage. Theres no sense of discovery and exploration because we have seen it all before with story mode Alex.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

My hubby and I are finding many things to do.


You missed out on other things.
Chocobo Racing.
Gardening.
Getting gil for new housing.
PVP

Getting all classes to cap.
Farm Achievement

and WAIT It's an RPG... RP...

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Chocobo racing for me gets repetitive. No real point of gardening at the present. Already have a house and millions of gil rotting on retainers. PvP, have no interest in PvPing in games that aren't built from the ground up for PvP, not just a tacked on extra. Have 60 MNK, 60 PLD, 60 WAR, 60 ACN (SCH+SMN) all DoH and DoL jobs to 60. NIN @58. But levelling them is still repeating the same content every time.

Best thing for FFXIV is dropping PS3 support, then hopefully they can take it to the next level, without the limitations the PS3 imposes on design.

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Originally Posted by FOOLK1LLAH

Because Sword Art Online sucks. I would much rather prefer to see things from Log Horizon implemented, which they are.

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Well I don't live in the database.

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Originally Posted by Eul

The current minus I feel from this game is this scrips and the ridiculous amount of material to craft (and what the hell with the hidden node?). I don't have spirit like before expansion to craft. Also the craft skill. You know, currently we don't have things to do element craft, but why the hell they put the Name of ____ ? /endrant

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1. we have already crafts with element aspects. Just not in lv 51+ recipes
2. more recipes are coming in future updates

Aren't.....we getting new content in 3.1? As in something we never had before? Airship explorations are a totally new thing aren't they? They are open world too, not instanced. So.....???? What are the complaints about, it not being here right now?

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

Aren't.....we getting new content in 3.1? As in something we never had before? Airship explorations are a totally new thing aren't they? They are open world too, not instanced. So.....???? What are the complaints about, it not being here right now?

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Thing is, given SE's record, theres a pretty high chance of it dying out within the first week or so (everything in golden saucer) because of being implemented poorly or having no real use outside glamour. Which then if it flops, we're back to 2 dungeons and void ark (CT, so most likely subpar gear not for main jobs)