Dev Request: Sell the Lightning event items on Mogstation!

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

No, i did not, i'm not sure how you even got those mixed up, this is a case of you not reading very well, but i already explained it to the last person who made that mistake, don't get all defensive over your misunderstanding.

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Same to you stop getting defensive over a lil cash shop that's not hurting you :P anyway i'm done i'm so sick of the cash shop haters. Love it hate it it's here deal with it have a nice day^^

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidori

Trolling you

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Ah, i see.

i guess that guys warning was spot on. as i still never said i cared about the cash stop, nor would i even care if its "here to stay" i think you just talk just to see your self talk, moving on.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

The vulgar language

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If "shit" gets your feelings hurt this badly, I can't imagine how you function in the real world.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

the end result of not wanting someone to have the item

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Did I say I say I didn't want them to have the item? I am flipping their argument of "being childish" back at them. Since instead of understanding something is limited and getting on with their lives (like most adults), they throw a tantrum; lashing out saying that people want to "block him" from getting that item.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

and the way you typed "now" are making you seem pretty childish here.

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If you read the beginning of the sentence, you'd see I told the above poster they themselves were acting like a child, so later on in the sentence, I emulate a child to emphasize that fact with the "nooooow". Thank you for realizing that was suppose to sound childish; that was the intended effect.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

At what point did it become your job to decide what others spend money on? Other "limited items" are already up for sale, so why is it so bad to ask for these?

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In a P2P mmo, it's much better for items to be made available in game. That's what I mean by "it affects what is available for us", and why it really bothers me when people ask for more things to go on the Mogstation. The more stuff SE puts on the Mogstation, the more stuff we could have had in-game but didn't.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

In a P2P mmo, it's much better for items to be made available in game. That's what I mean by "it affects what is available for us", and why it really bothers me when people ask for more things to go on the Mogstation. The more stuff SE puts on the Mogstation, the more stuff we could have had in-game but didn't.

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In what way does items that are completely unnecessary which are also completely optional affect anyone who doesn't want said items? It doesn't, and no amount of stamping your feet and demanding that your precious status items not be made available to others will change that fact.

I don't see anything wrong with bringing her back ... again. I already did the event and got all the weapon, hairstyles, and gear.

It won't affect me, nor will I participate. I'd just sigh and say "lol how often will she jeep striking!?" I don't see how those who already did the event will be affected when they can just not do the event themselves. They are not being forced and it's not like there's going to be FF13 theme decor all over the cities.

But yeah, this is just a short term solution since new players are constantly joining and will lose out on the even ... the cycle continues.

Either this can be a yearly even to coincide with the Anniversary of FF14 ... or cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Magis

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I function just fine thank you. Cursing has its place, I do it all the time. But using it in a sentence where you're trying to claim people are acting childish is self-defeating.
You don't want them to have the limited time item, and when people ask for a way to obtain the item you shoot it down and claim they're whining rather than making a request. Clearly, you don't want them to be able to obtain the item at all.
Clearly, parody is not your strong suit. Claiming that wanting the limited items is childish, and then defending their limited access through demeaning chatter is also childish.

The idea that there shouldn't be Cash-shop items in a P2P mmo is a bit more defensible, but at the end of the day I don't exactly care that much. Like an adult, if something is worth my money, I'll spend it and make the purchase. Nothing has changed regarding the service I'm purchasing from Square here, (game time). And if it was, I'd voice my concerns on the issue, and if that didn't change the situation, then I'd just stop paying for the service.

In short, I don't care about the cash shop, as there isn't anything they took away from the game time that I already paid for, and others purchasing digital knick-knacks doesn't affect me or my purchase.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

Paying for a sub doesn't mean you get everything for free anymore, I'm sorry but deal with it, being angry at forum posters won't rewrite rules.

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People should put work into the events to get the rewards instead of paying it just with money.
The same reason why gear in MB is not equal to lv60 gear

If it come into the cash shop then please with the requirement that the character have a lv 45 battle class (the level you needed to get the last gear piece)

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

That is why it's called a "limited time event" if you miss out, you miss out,

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I was playing when the event first happened, and I got the weapons for the class I played (DRG), And other classes I planned on levelling (BRD and MNK). I didn't get weapons for anything else, because I thought it a waste of bag space and time to get weapons for jobs I never intended to level. Presently, I main PLD, which at the time the event happened was an unthinkable thing. Why shouldn't I be able to acquire the weapon for my main job?

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

I function just fine thank you. Cursing has its place, I do it all the time. But using it in a sentence where you're trying to claim people are acting childish is self-defeating.
You don't want them to have the limited time item, and when people ask for a way to obtain the item you shoot it down and claim they're whining rather than making a request. Clearly, you don't want them to be able to obtain the item at all.
Clearly, parody is not your strong suit. Claiming that wanting the limited items is childish, and then defending their limited access through demeaning chatter is also childish.

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After a year of people creating new threads when there were countless multi-page ones before it; it's gone from requesting to just whining. Heck, this was created when a "give us Lightning" thread was already on the front page. Also nice strawman you got there, want some matches to help burn it down? No where did I say I didn't want him to get the item. I could care less if SE brings back Lighting again. Maybe, just maybe it's because I am sick of people who whine to the devs to change the game to suit themselves; be it to nerf content or get some item that is out of their reach (be it too hard, or in this case limited). People can't accept that something may not be obtainable and have to have a tantrum when they can't get their cand--- err item. If the devs wanted to release it again, they would have and maybe they will in the future, but spamming the forums with post after post isn't going to do anything.

I would dare you to point out any point where I whined for items, I asked them to put them up for sale then politely told you to act like an adult or move on, which you have refused to do out right.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

I would dare you to point out any point where I whined for items, I asked them to put them up for sale then politely told you to act like an adult or move on, which you have refused to do out right.

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There was a post on the front page, as you posted this, and at least 2-3 had gone by in the last month. You could have easily posted in one of those and continued the discussion, but instead chose to make yet another thread asking the same thing.

I guess people don't use forums as much anymore to know the old saying "use the search feature".

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Originally Posted by Magis

There was a post on the front page, as you posted this, and at least 2-3 had gone by in the last month. You could have easily posted in one of those and continued the discussion, but instead chose to make yet another thread asking the same thing.

I guess people don't use forums as much anymore to know the old saying "use the search feature".

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There was a post asking for the event. I am requesting the items. Again, either point out where at any point I whined or please be an adult and leave.

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Originally Posted by Magis

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So you do not want others to convince "the devs to change the game to suit themselves." In this instance, that would involve them obtaining the items. Thus, you do not want them to be able to obtain the items, as that would require the devs changing the game to suit these players. I don't see how I misconstrued your point in any fashion.

If your point was to complain about people complaining, then fine, but it doesn't come off that way to me.

A new day, so hopefully we can get some support rather than 2 people who can't stand the idea of the cash shop trying to yell at other people about it.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

A new day, so hopefully we can get some support rather than 2 people who can't stand the idea of the cash shop trying to yell at other people about it.

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These "two people" seem to get more support from the forums than you do, so maybe they're not alone in not liking these cash shop requests. Not to mention that they're not the ones "missreading" what other people say, as some of you seem fond of saying that we don't want anyone else getting these things when we've said quite the opposite, literally.

Let me ask you a couple of things. What is better, to get this in the cash shop, or to get it in-game? Why don't you give them suggestions to put these items to be obtainable in-game? Someone suggested to put them as Gold Saucer rewards. Is it that hard to ask SE to make something like that instead of going the easy and lazy way? Remember that back then there wasn't any cash shop, so all those items where made using the money from our subs. Therefore, they don't have to cover any expenses originated from making them, thus it would be fair to keep them in-game instead of further monetizing them. Not to mention that we're still paying our subs, as far as I know.

We know that SE is a company and that they're here to make money. But as customers we can tell them when we think that it's enough. If we don't, they'll keep pushing the line. Don't fool yourselves, I'm sure that not having every Moonfire Faire item on the cash shop, as happened in previous events, is partly due to these same complaints on the past (in the past, not the last few weeks, for those of you new to the forums). Now don't tell me that you didn't like it being available in-game, come on.

And that's what we are saying.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

These "two people" seem to get more support from the forums than you do

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That's why they were quickly shooed off by the majority of the posters here, i'm sure. This isn't a post debating the cash shop, go elsewhere if you'd like to do that because I won't be entertaining you, the cash shop is in and it isn't going anywhere so you may as well adjust to that fact and move along.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

That's why they were quickly shooed off by the majority of the posters here, i'm sure. This isn't a post debating the cash shop, go elsewhere if you'd like to do that because I won't be entertaining you, the cash shop is in and it isn't going anywhere so you may as well adjust to that fact and move along.

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Most people do not even post anymore in these threads, as they don't find it worth their time because of the attitude of some other posters. But just look at the amount of likes of each post and you'll quickly notice something.

And we aren't debating the cash shop per se here. If you read our posts again you'll see that we have been quite on topic, as what we are saying is that there's a better alternative than to ask for everything to be put there. I suggest you to read again my previous post (the one from where you just quoted that part), as I think that I explained it pretty well.

SE has my support to continue putting items in the cash shop, nothing wrong with optional items that no one is forced to buy.
I recently got the bomb dance emote off there and would welcome the Lightning event items.

I would love to have the items in the Cash Shop, and I am surprised it's not already in there.. Please SE!

I think they aren't in the cash shop because SE will have the event again. The things in the cash shop are usually stuff from past events that can no longer be obtained.

And others have mentioned that Lightning Return is going to be released on the PC, so the event will probably be around that time.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

In what way does items that are completely unnecessary which are also completely optional affect anyone who doesn't want said items? It doesn't, and no amount of stamping your feet and demanding that your precious status items not be made available to others will change that fact.

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Er. 1. You can't discount the people it would affect in order to try and claim it doesn't affect anyone. and 2. I don't care about other people getting items I already have; I care about how they get them. In other words, I want them available in-game, not in a cash shop.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Er. 1. You can't discount the people it would affect in order to try and claim it doesn't affect anyone. and 2. I don't care about other people getting items I already have; I care about how they get them. In other words, I want them available in-game, not in a cash shop.

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You've been asked multiple times to show exactly how it would affect anyone who had no desire to have said items and you still haven't, yet keep claiming that the way I spend money affects you in some negative way.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

You've been asked multiple times to show exactly how it would affect anyone who had no desire to have said items and you still haven't, yet keep claiming that the way I spend money affects you in some negative way.

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That's a complete BS thing to ask. Of COURSE no one who wants an item would be affected by it, for crying out loud. But you're deliberately discounting the people who DO want to obtain the item. I have said repeatedly that those are the people it would affect.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

That's a complete BS thing to ask. Of COURSE no one who wants an item would be affected by it, for crying out loud. But you're deliberately discounting the people who DO want to obtain the item. I have said repeatedly that those are the people it would affect.

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I'm asking for realistic way for people to obtain the items, you keep demanding that no one be able to obtain them unless they're handed out for free. Logically you're asking for something you know (as would any reasonable adult) isn't going to happen while claiming that people shouldn't have access to the item if they didn't do the event. So again, I ask you, how does how I and others spend our money negatively affect you in any way?

Lightning Strikes events and other limited time item rewards are created in addition to the usual patch cycles, developed using money from players paying their subscriptions. We've already paid them to generate these items and events. I'm not averse to people having chances to obtain said items, but I would much rather see them offered as in game rewards, be it at a special vendor or by offering another chance at the event, so that new players have both a chance to acquire cool items and participate in unique events and maybe whet their appetite for future events to come, rather than just throw money in the cash shop for something that has already been paid for and developed.

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Originally Posted by Seryl199

Lightning Strikes events and other limited time item rewards are created in addition to the usual patch cycles, developed using money from players paying their subscriptions. We've already paid them to generate these items and events.

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While a fair point, this topic isn't about the cash shop itself or anyone's opinion of it. It's about the only realistic way to request items from previous events that are no longer obtainable, which has been proven as the case with the Minifilia minion and the old Moonfire items. Again, this is about the items, not in any way about the cash shop or your opinion in it.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

While a fair point, this topic isn't about the cash shop itself or anyone's opinion of it. It's about the only realistic way to request items from previous events that are no longer obtainable, which has been proven as the case with the Minifilia minion and the old Moonfire items. Again, this is about the items, not in any way about the cash shop or your opinion in it.

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So you are against the opportunity to obtain the items in the game? That's what I proposed.

I think they arent in the cash shop because they might be planning on having the event again? If i remember correctly, the Lightning event has already happened multiple times, once a year. Tbh they could be having it an annual thing.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

I'm asking for realistic way for people to obtain the items, you keep demanding that no one be able to obtain them unless they're handed out for free. Logically you're asking for something you know (as would any reasonable adult) isn't going to happen while claiming that people shouldn't have access to the item if they didn't do the event. So again, I ask you, how does how I and others spend our money negatively affect you in any way?

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Oh for... We pay a sub. NOTHING is handed out for free. I am asking that SE treat this like a sub game instead of a F2P one.

I'm gonna say no to the cash shop thing. I'm not opposed to them bringing the event back as long as there is a valid reason to do so (PC/steam release for instance), but give players the opportunity to experience the event and earn them, if SE chooses to bring it back.

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Originally Posted by Seryl199

So you are against the opportunity to obtain the items in the game? That's what I proposed.

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No, I'm against not being able to obtain items at all.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Oh for... We pay a sub. NOTHING is handed out for free. I am asking that SE treat this like a sub game instead of a F2P one.

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Again, paying for a sub no longer means you're entitled to be handed everything, you're only argument remains to be against the cash shop and again, this is not about the cash shop which is certainly here to stay, so adjust to it and move along to troll another thread. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Seryl199

Lightning Strikes events and other limited time item rewards are created in addition to the usual patch cycles, developed using money from players paying their subscriptions. We've already paid them to generate these items and events. I'm not averse to people having chances to obtain said items, but I would much rather see them offered as in game rewards, be it at a special vendor or by offering another chance at the event, so that new players have both a chance to acquire cool items and participate in unique events and maybe whet their appetite for future events to come, rather than just throw money in the cash shop for something that has already been paid for and developed.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

No, I'm against not being able to obtain items at all. Don't try to change your original argument to make it sound like you're in favor of giving players items after several pages of saying nobody who didn't do the event is entitled to them.

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Right. Good day to you.

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Originally Posted by Seryl199

Right. Good day to you.

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Thank you kindly, move along to complain about the cash shop elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Attarik

Again, paying for a sub no longer means you're entitled to be handed everything, you're only argument remains to be against the cash shop and again, this is not about the cash shop which is certainly here to stay, so adjust to it and move along to troll another thread. Thank you.

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Just because I disagree with you regarding a cash shop does not mean I am "trolling". And just because you say something, doesn't make it fact, nor does it give your strawmen any better frame to support themselves. We should be encouraging SE to add content to the game, not stick it on a cash shop. Period. Asking for it to be put in the game is not asking or it to be "handed" to us. Denying that a subscription entitles us to anything is just as silly as pretending that something doesn't matter because you've oh so conveniently discounted the people to whom it matters.

Again, this is not about the cash shop or about keeping your items, this is simply a request so keep it civil and on topic and please stop with the long winded rants about the cash shop. It's here to stay and that's just how it is.

I think they should put them in the cash shop for people who missed them.

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Originally Posted by Dante_V

I think they should put them in the cash shop for people who missed them.

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Should all legacy items be in there as well? Seems fair since people missed 1.0, right?

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Should all legacy items be in there as well? Seems fair since people missed 1.0, right?

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These aren't legacy items, this isn't that, act like an adult and move on.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

Should all legacy items be in there as well? Seems fair since people missed 1.0, right?

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Is this post about legacy items? No. It's about FFXIII items. Nice strawman attempt though.