Astrologian is in a good position right now.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i simply can't take you serious after you are telling all people in all topics how bad whm is and how much better sch is...

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And then he changes for a bootleg version of white mage and defends how great it is.

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Originally Posted by YuiSasaki

Have you? Cuz I don't see a lv 60 SCH or WHM on your char :X

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Hi there, 60 SCH and AST. Take my assessment as you will.

AST still trails behind SCH. Not having proper defense CD on call is noticeable & troublesome. I generally worked harder to heal on AST then on SCH. Lightspeed change is alright but it's still reliant on how many casts you can get off in that short amount of time, versus flat potency increase on a longer timer, from fairy.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

He's actually hurting the job because any developer that reads this might be wary about giving ast their necessary buffs because illusional people like him are saying the job is fine when logically it's not. If he really liked this job he would support any positive changes done to the job. I think he actually hates the job and he's trying to keep it weak so people don't play the job.

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I was trying to think of something positive. I really hope se doesn't take him seriously but I think the community response and minimal number of asts clearing content speaks for itself.

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Originally Posted by Akyio

Have you already gone and leveled SCH or WHM or both as people have suggested you, and experienced yourself the differences between older 2 healers and AST ? Or maybe at least kept an eye on how much more work your SCH or WHM partner is doing by AST in a team ?
Or was the reason to create this thread to get even more attention on this forum by being the only one who finds AST fine ?

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I have.

SCH does pretty much everything AST can do, except better, safer, and faster and without going OOM. The only thing AST really has over it is the ability to restore TP/MP to other party members.

As Sanguisio said...

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AST vs content = fine manageable
AST vs SCH/WHM = the fat kid in pe, has a chance but why would you.

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Anyone insisting upon bringing one to content in AST's current state is gimping their static.

Nooooooooooooooooooo

TL;DR: no.

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

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im sorry what?

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Originally Posted by Vlady

No. Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot. Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be. People want them to be as strong of a healer as white mage or to have stronger shields and even have them crit for double strength with is absurd. We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance which is superb for emergancy recovery and not for higher sustained hps. That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

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Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

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Just Astrologians overall are in a good spot.

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There are currently three healers and two raid spots, and in reality, AST is sitting in dead last by a marginal amount in terms of utility, healing, and meta game when compared to SCH/WHM. With the toolkit AST has, being essentially a direct copy of WHM/SCH just weaker with fewer cool downs, it relies on it's RNG utility buffs to make up for the difference; however, it falls far short of actually making up for the loss of DPS and cool downs due to the unreliable and potentially meaningless nature of cards. This is what is leading AST to be left out in progression groups ... Because it fails to compete/comply with the previous meta.

So, unless you consider "last" (and non-competitive) a good spot, then I suppose you'd be correct.

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We are 5 potency behind white mage and even stronger single target in noc stance

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How many times do I have to outline to you how incorrect this is? AST isn't stronger than WHM in single target healing while in Noct Stance. If anything, they're significantly lower in comparison to Dirunal due to HoTs. Stop looking at potency alone and claiming they heal the same amount; cool downs play a significant factor in why AST's healing is significantly lower than WHM's on single target or AoE.

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Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

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Again ... AST was never able to sect dance. Stop saying this; it only makes you look more foolish. It was talked about in development but never made it into any public release (previews included, AFAIK). Also, AST healing being better than SCH is debatable at best.

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That is why we need to be allowed to stance change somehow in battle.

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Sect dancing would change nothing about how AST performs in the larger picture. Even when SE did mention Sect dancing, they said it would be on a very long cool down, which would significantly reduce the usefulness, given most situations you'd actually want to use it in. It would add complexity and more flavor/uniqueness to the class, but it wouldn't solve any of it's problems.

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Originally Posted by HyperNovaX

Jesus christ... AST was never able to stance dance, EVER. Why won't you get it? Urgh actually no wonder you won't get it with these absurd posts of yours.. Every post is a guaranteed facepalm..

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

There are currently three healers and two raid spots, and in reality, AST is sitting in dead last by a marginal amount in terms of utility, healing, and meta game when compared to SCH/WHM. With the toolkit AST has, being essentially a direct copy of WHM/SCH just weaker with fewer cool downs, it relies on it's RNG utility buffs to make up for the difference; however, it falls far short of actually making up for the loss of DPS and cool downs due to the unreliable and potentially meaningless nature of cards. This is what is leading AST to be left out in progression groups ... Because it fails to compete/comply with the previous meta.

So, unless you consider "last" (and non-competitive) a good spot, then I suppose you'd be correct.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do I have to outline to you how incorrect this is? AST isn't stronger than WHM in single target healing while in Noct Stance. If anything, they're significantly lower in comparison to Dirunal due to HoTs. Stop looking at potency alone and claiming they heal the same amount; cool downs play a significant factor in why AST's healing is significantly lower than WHM's on single target or AoE.

Again ... AST was never able to sect dance. Stop saying this; it only makes you look more foolish. It was talked about in development but never made it into any public release (previews included, AFAIK). Also, AST healing being better than SCH is debatable at best.


Sect dancing would change nothing about how AST performs in the larger picture. Even when SE did mention Sect dancing, they said it would be on a very long cool down, which would significantly reduce the usefulness, given most situations you'd actually want to use it in. It would add complexity and more flavor/uniqueness to the class, but it wouldn't solve any of it's problems.

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That is just a flat out misunderstanding of the job. If an astro could keep both regens up and swap to noc at will our aoe healing would be superior then white mage and emergency triage healing as strong as any healer combining noc shield + stronger Ben 2 along with two hots.

Ignorant? The early beta when Yoshida invited people who were bloggers and or writers for gaming websites had a sneak peak play they wrote on being able to swap stances with a cooldown. They had a cooldown on swapping stances in combat but then removed to be out of combat.

The hostility level of these forums is going beyond the absurd level.

The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding. Of course there has to be a third place because they allow only two types of healers. To claim that invalidates the astrologian is poppycock because well the astrologian has performed in all levels of gameplay. Just because you expect them to have 5 more potency to be on par with white mages or have shields that rival scholar is silly at most and morbid brain damage at best.

How many times do you have to realize that the up front healing of the astro in noc stance is better then white mage. In the long run white mage utilizing its cooldowns will blow the astrologian away yes but being able to perform emergency triage healing the astrologian has an extremely powerful aspected cast with a light speed ben 2 that can easily burst heal anyone to full. As you said HPS doesnt mean a thing its the ability of the job to be able to provide the healing necessary on demand which it does even considering the global cooldown.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...me_translated/

Transcript of the mouth of the dev himself. Was originally set to stance dance but they said they would limit how many times you could change during combat. I can think of countless times I could have saved people if I could have gone from duirnal stance to nocturnal stance. Being able to weave regen and shields would be incredibly powerful.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I was trying to think of something positive. I really hope se doesn't take him seriously but I think the community response and minimal number of asts clearing content speaks for itself.

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He is 1 person against a whole community. Both here and on the Japanese forums the situation is obvious and no way in hell a serious developer will take him serious over hundreds of others.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Minus cooldown and the original nerf to stance dancing our healing is strong enough to be slightly below white mage and above scholar where we should be.

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Until you realize that Scholars have:
1) Their fairies' Embrace, which adds a second, 300 potency heal to their own.
2) Lustrate, a single target heal with 600 potency that is usable up to 3 times in 60 seconds.
3) Indomitable an AoE heal with 400 potency that is usable up to 2 times in 60 seconds.
4) Emergency Tactics, which literally doubles Succor and Aldo's heal at the cost of having no shields.
5) Eos, who gives Scholars Whispering Dawn, a 100 potency, AoE regen, and Fey Illuminate, which increases all healing potency by 20%.
6) Rouse, which increases their pets heals' by 40% and makes them immune to several debuffs.

And that's not even going into the utility or DPS Scholars bring.
I love Astrologian, I really do (I'm freaking maining it right now) but I'm not going to act like it's a complete package because right now, it's half-baked.

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How many times do you have to realize that the up front healing of the astro in noc stance is better then white mage.

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You are 100% incorrect in this statement, period. Benefic I becomes 399 potency vs 400 Cure potency. Benefic II becomes 651 potency vs 650 Cure II potency. NoctAST does not, under any circumstances, cool downs or otherwise, out heal a WHM.

How many times do people have to spell this out for you before you stop spouting this absolute garbage and misinformation?

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Transcript of the mouth of the dev himself. Was originally set to stance dance but they said they would limit how many times you could change during combat. I can think of countless times I could have saved people if I could have gone from duirnal stance to nocturnal stance. Being able to weave regen and shields would be incredibly powerful.

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Again, it was never able to sect dance in combat during actual game play or during public testing AFAIK. This doesn't mean it was "nerfed". Adding it would change absolutely nothing in the larger picture for AST, especially if it was tied to a long cool down as they claimed it would be.

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The level of your ignorance is beyond astounding.

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This is why people are hostile towards you, and an incredibly ironic statement, given that pretty much anything you have claimed or said is false.

I'll remind you, for a moment, that it's against the forum rules and policies to post false or fabricated information:

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As I said I do not like math but Benfic II with bonus from stance is 640 potency + 500 potency instant cast shield/heal every 5 seconds. Fairy 300 potency has its own formula which is not the same as the caster itself and has been clocked more along the lines of 150 potency and adlo which is 300 potency cure and 300 shield I think wish is roughly 750 potency. You can use the fairy cast and adlo on its own cooldown so therefore its 750 every 2.5 seconds compared to astro 1140 every 5 seconds so yes the up front healing of an astro does beat out a scholar and fairy which was my point for emergency healing. Lustrate is very powerful I agree but I did focus on side by side spell casting to show that astro toe to toe can outheal a scholar when it matters most in burst healing via noc stance.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

You are 100% incorrect in this statement, period. Benefic I becomes 299 potency vs 300 Cure potency. Benefic II becomes 651 potency vs 650 Cure II potency. NoctAST does not, under any circumstances, cool downs or otherwise, out heal a WHM.

How many times do people have to spell this out for you before you stop spouting this absolute garbage and misinformation?



Again, it was never able to sect dance in combat during actual game play or during public testing AFAIK. This doesn't mean it was "nerfed". Adding it would change absolutely nothing in the larger picture for AST, especially if it was tied to a long cool down as they claimed it would be.



This is why people are hostile towards you, and an incredibly ironic statement, given that pretty much anything you have claimed or said is false.

I'll remind you, for a moment, that it's against the forum rules and policies to post false or fabricated information:

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Like your fabrication I claimed to know savage groups using two astrologians that screamed a bloody answer from 5+ of your previous responses? Please take your own advice and do not fabricate information.

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Like your fabrication I claimed to know savage groups using two astrologians that screamed a bloody answer from 5+ of your previous responses? Please take your own advice and do not fabricate information.

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I never claimed that; that was another poster.

Again, another glorious example as to why you find people are hostile towards you and your posts. You are grossly misinformed and provide no factual evidence to any of the claims you've made.

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I never claimed that; that was another poster.

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But yet you screamed bloody murder for me to answer him when I said in previous posts I never said that.
You accuse me of not wanting to man up to my mistakes. I was proven wrong about scholar dps being stronger and I manned up to it. I agree that astro cooldowns are a muck up.

Your move.

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But yet you screamed bloody murder for me to answer him when I corrected in previous posts I never said that.

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Again, that wasn't me. I implore you to find the post where I insisted that you answer him, because I well-know the incident you're referring to, and I assure you, that was not me.

Then I apologize if it was not you. I believe you and will not waste my time to go back back through 3 days of my posts. To claim I fabricate information when people claim that the Japanese forums are also up in arms about the astro job is a bending of the truth. Most of those posts were pre buffs weeks back and it has died down to barely a whisper of what crap goes on here.

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To claim I fabricate information when people claim that the Japanese forums are also up in arms about the astro job is a bending of the truth. Most of those posts were pre buffs weeks back and it has died down to barely a whisper of what crap goes on here.

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This is also false; only 70~ pages were posted before the buffs, and it's now well into 200 pages.

203 pages.

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Barely a whisper, really?

Well, I love AST, it's fun to play. I also have level 53 WHM and level 60 SCH, that's just in one character out of 4 :) I can tell you this, SCH is WAY WAY WAY WAY better than AST ever hope to be. As much as AST is quite fun with the quick thinking cards, the buffs are so negligible due to the randomness factor. As it is now, a good SCH can literally destroy AST when it comes to abilities and benefits to the party, there is almost no point at all bringing AST when you have a solid SCH + WHM combo in your static.

Putting aside the healing issue of AST, which is, let's be honest, capable, but it is nowhere near the USEFULNESS of WHM or SCH in a party. The biggest glaring issue of AST is there is absolutely no uniqueness of this job that is setting it apart from the other two healers or the other buffers. What SE should do is focusing on the card buffs abilities, and REALLY tweak that and make it the strongest selling point. I will be fine with the current healing capability, which is decent and serviceable for content. But please, make the card buffs a whole lot more powerful if it is going to be random. Or keep it as it is, but let me CHOOSE which buffs I want to give and get rid of its randomness.

When you are able to control the exact buffs you want to give to the party member, AST becomes quite valuable to the party, to the point that bringing 2 AST can replace the need of having bard in you party slot :)

Actually 73 and do you not count how many pages are dedicated to whining about a job that has cleared all content that is taken to a level beyond anything I have ever seen before even counting the death knight overpowered wave on wow?

Just go and actually look at the the pages talk about. It is mainly about card related issues the last 20 pages I looked at with issues of range and royal road. Just today alone is almost 20 pages of astrologian bashing in the english forums with new threads popping up every 5 minutes. I have no problems with helping against the range issue via altering shuffle to not have a double draw.

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Then I apologize if it was not you. I believe you and will not waste my time to go back back through 3 days of my posts. To claim I fabricate information when people claim that the Japanese forums are also up in arms about the astro job is a bending of the truth. Most of those posts were pre buffs weeks back and it has died down to barely a whisper of what crap goes on here.

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Can you count?
Look at how many pages upon pages that thread gets daily.
People are talking how they love AST but don't want to be a burden to their team.
Really, do you honestly not understand that you are solo in your crusade and you are only annoying people at this point?

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Actually 73 and do you not count how many pages are dedicated to whining about a job that has cleared all content

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Also false. AST still hasn't been taken to an A3S clear or A4S attempt, AFAIK.

When will you understand?

It's not AST vs Content

It's AST vs WHM/SCH

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

When will you understand? It's not AST vs Content. It's AST vs WHM/SCH

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AMEN! Indeed that is true. AST abilities are totally subpar when you compare it to WHM or SCH. They are so bad, it's not even worth discussing it here. Their healing spells are "capable" and doable but compared to the tools and utilities of WHM or SCH, AST is beyond laughable. It's like, " I want to be a healer, but I have so limited healing tool kit", "I want to be a buffer, but the buffs are so negligible and so random" = translate to AST is neither a good healer to replace WHM or SCH in your static or any endgame content, nor it is a good buffer to justify not having a bard in your party slot. In conclusion, AST is subpar half baked unfinished job that is CAPABLE for content of level 50 and under, but seriously LACKING for content level 50 and above.

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Also false. AST still hasn't been taken to an A3S clear or A4S attempt, AFAIK.

When will you understand?

It's not AST vs Content

It's AST vs WHM/SCH

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Uhm ok so astro has not been taken to As3. It has cleared all content so far and will clear that given the nature of the beast that is progression break through. Just because the top 2-3 static teams want to stick with what they know best which is the white/scholar combo does not invalidate my post. Astro is clearing Savage modes and has cleared all previous content in the past. Also on the Japanese forums they are talking about the live letter in August to discuss the astrologian so we will ultimately see what SE thinks should be the road the astro travels on.

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Uhm ok so astro has not been taken to As3. It has cleared all content so far and will clear that given the nature of the beast that is progression break through. Just because the top 2-3 static teams want to stick with what they know best which is the white/scholar combo does not invalidate my post. Astro is clearing Savage modes and has cleared all previous content in the past. Also on the Japanese forums they are talking about the live letter in August to discuss the astrologian so we will ultimately see what SE thinks should be the road the astro travels on.

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Yeah they are, but that's because the topic shifted from feedback to the lack of communication between the developers and the players. I reached out to the Japan Language Forums earlier today too give them perspective to the English Forum's opinion versus their opinion, and not surprisingly it's parallel.

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Originally Posted by Parawill

こんにちは。僕は日本語をしゃべれないけれど、友達に翻訳を頼んでもらいました。

掲示板にて記載されていたAlexanderボス戦（ハードモード）の占星術ジョブについて話せたら良いなと思います。http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ring-A1-Savage この掲示板は英語で書かれていますが、グーグルの翻訳機能が多分役に立つと思います。 （僕はそれで日本語の掲示板を読む事ができました）ここに記載されている情報が占星術の今後の方向性を決める上で、役に立つと思います。
情報の共有や一緒に占星術について話しましょう！
よろしくお願いします。

Hello, I am from the English Forums and do not speak Japanese, but a friend helped me translate. I would just like to share with you this forum thread about Astrologians in Alexander Hard Mode (Savage in NA, Hard mode in Japan) Unfortunately it is in English, but Google Translate helps as it did for me when I read everyone's thoughts in this thread. I hope this helps provide insight as to which direction we can go to help devs with Astrologians! Let's think together! Thanks you/Nice to meet you.

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parawillさま、ありがとうございます。
Thank you so much for providing us the information.

英語の掲示板も読んでいますが、考えていることはすごく近いですし、私達も早く改善されることを心から願っています。
I read [their] opinion and feedback(healer Roles BBS). It is similar to our opinion, and We hope to be improved status of Astro as soon as possible.

ですが、今一番重要な問題は、運営から返事が一切ないことです。
But now, the biggest problem is that there is no answer from the dev.

8月22日にプロデューサーレターライブがありますので、そこで何かしらの告知を期待したいと思います。
PLL will broadcast Aug 22 at 8:00 p.m. (PDT). I hope any answer from the dev.



Thank you

運営は何か回答を・・・なにとぞ・・・

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As for the "card discussion" in the Japan AST-Megathread, you do realize unlike the English Forums, their mega-thread is basically all of our fragmented threads combined into one? Topics change throughout the pages. There is tons of talk in regards to their healing, and at the moment they're trying to figure out how to make their utility not so lack-luster. In addition to this, it's not only limited to the card itself. Disable is something that arises often in that thread, and it being consumed by an auto-attack makes it not so great at all. L

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As I said I do not like math but Benfic II with bonus from stance is 640 potency + 500 potency instant cast shield/heal every 5 seconds. Fairy 300 potency has its own formula which is not the same as the caster itself and has been clocked more along the lines of 150 potency and adlo which is 300 potency cure and 300 shield I think wish is roughly 750 potency.

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SCH pet is around 200 potency (I've noticed that she is directly half my physick). Rouse increases this by 40%.

AST in Noct Stance: Bene 2 is 651 potency (620 * 1.05) and A. Bene is 525 ((250 * 2) * 1.05). Following up A. Benefic after Bene II is incredibly inefficient for your mana usage. A Sch casting Physick with pet will out cure AST in those 2 GCDs (This is ignoring Rouse/Fey).

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Originally Posted by MidnightTundra

SCH pet is around 200 potency (I've noticed that she is directly half my physick). Rouse increases this by 40%.

AST in Noct Stance: Bene 2 is 651 potency (620 * 1.05) and A. Bene is 525 ((250 * 2) * 1.05). Following up A. Benefic after Bene II is incredibly inefficient for your mana usage. A Sch casting Physick with pet will out cure AST in those 2 GCDs (This is ignoring Rouse/Fey).

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I did not even mention Benefic. I spoke of aspected.

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Originally Posted by FondueNatto

カードにランダム性を残すなら、
ベストケースでバランスとらないで中央値付近でバランスとって
ベストケースなら多少ヒャッホイ状態でも良いと思うんだけどね。

ドローやシャッフルもカードかぶったら性能倍になるとかしちゃえば
あらためて迷えるのに。

ランダムを楽しむってそういうことだと思うんだけどな。
今のランダムは楽しみじゃなくて嫌がらせに近い印象が先に来ちゃう。

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Seems more like discussing cards to me.

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見ていて、「あ、これいいな」と思ったのでそれから自分でちょっと考えてみました。

カードですが、現状他人に投げる事でその人のみに効果があります(ロイヤルロードでの範囲化除く)
以前自分の書き込みで、「カード効果は確定効果+現状のカード効果」にしたらいいんじゃないか、
というのを投稿したのですがそれの発展系となりますが、

・カードを投げたら投げた相手には現状のカード効果 占星術本体に別種のバフが入る（自分にカードを投げた場合は入らない）
（例として、世界樹/アーゼマは「回復力UP」 ハルオーネ/オシュオンは「詠唱速度微UP ビエルゴ/サリャクは「MP微回復」 等）
回復力UPはディバインの1/2位、詠唱UPはフェアリのクリ出た時位、MP回復はサリャクの1/2位とか。
特性でカード複合は高レベルになってからでもいいかもです。
特殊クエ追加でもやりますよ…ちょーがんばりますよ。

とにかく、何度も出てますがランダム性と現状のFF14のコンテンツの相性が悪すぎる訳で…。
それでも多分、この「カードを引いてランダムで引いたカードで対応する」というのは大きく変えれない思うのです。
もうそこまで変えたら別の職作るのと変わらない手間だろうし。
そうなるとやっぱり、カードを複合効果にして自分自身のヒール能力やMP持続能力を補いたいなーと。
上記場合はヒーラーとして最低限動きたいという気持ちからですが。
60時点で50時代と変わらないヒール能力っていうのは、自分も周りもつらいのですよ…。

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More discussion of cards over healing strengths... Last 5 pages alone almost all are discussing use of cards.

Well, because the CARDS is AST uniqueness - so SE should make the cards to be VERY GOOD OVERPOWERED buffs that blows SCH and WHM buffs out of the water. The healing potency is totally fine, they are serviceable. Light speed need to last longer and on lower cooldown, so that it can be our 'OH Shyait, gotta babysit dumb DPS" hot button. Luminous Aether need to be in 60 seconds cooldown. We also need to be able to MOVE around when casting Collective spell. Otherwise, buff the cards and their duration and AST will be just fine.

Of course they talk about cards.

What in the world is your point?

Those cards should be a huge part of our healing toolkit like the scholar fairy but it basically does NOTHING to enhanced our heals.

Currently its basically a useless mechanic as a healer.

You and a couple other fanatics are the ONLY ones claiming astrologian is fine. It doesn't matter where a change happens but a BIG change NEEDS to happen to make ast in line with the other healers. Everyone agrees with this, however where here people talk about adjusting other spells Japanese people mostly want the card system revamped. Doesn't mean they in ANY WAY agree with your utter nonsense.

If astrologians could not get the job done in savage mode then we have an issue. But they can and do. As long as thread after thread after thread of regurgitated complaining continues then I will continue to see the above statement is also repeated like a mantra. Yes we know the white/scholar fanboys want to make fun of the new kid on the block but does it honestly take 10 new threads a day?

I never said that white mage and scholar combo could not do it easier because it can. Does it mean the astrologian is broken or even mediocre? No it doesnt. Does it mean the other two jobs may be a tad strong? Maybe but up until now I avoid even going down that road nor do I accuse people of learning to play like other astrologians do that defend the job. Some of us are just through of the endless wave of pages reiterating how badly astrologian job is compared to white and scholar when its that low of a level people claim. The more absurd people claim that the job is bad the more absurd I guess my defense of the job gets because you cannot apply the math formulas here when you leave out damage incoming from whatever fight along with latency and other situations that apply to in the game.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

If astrologians could not get the job done in savage mode then we have an issue. But they can and do. As long as thread after thread after thread of regurgitated complaining continues then I will continue to see the above statement is also repeated like a mantra. Yes we know the white/scholar fanboys want to make fun of the new kid on the block but does it honestly take 10 new threads a day?

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Are you just dense or trolling at this point?
It doesn't matter if we can clear it. We need to be in line with the other healers, it's called balance for crying out loud.
You keep trying to make this problem seem smaller then it is but shouldn't it start to get in your head that only you and maybe 3 more in this entire forum think ast is fine and hundreds people think you are wrong?

Also, you talk about thread after thread but yourself created yet ANOTHER thread. You are part of the problem.
I wish so hard we had a mod just slam all these threads down and create a mega astro thread but i know that is not going to work.

Vlady, do you not see the biggest issue here? AST main selling point is the CARD BUFFS!! that is the ONLY biggest tool in this job that is unique compare to the other two healers. Right now, that buffs, are SO SO SO BAD, it is beyond pathetic. Most players will be ok with the healing capabilities of AST, if the card buffs are so good that it outweighs all the other part of this job that is lacking. Granted a few abilities on AST could use another tweak to be on par with the other healers. We are not WHM/SCH fanboys making fun the new kid on the block. I personally WANT AST to be as good, or even BETTER depending on certain outcome compared to the other two healers.

Seriously, sometimes I think you are just trolling or way to dense to understand the problem of AST. It's not the healing, it is the CARD buffs that is the biggest issue here. As of now, there is very little reason to bring AST to any of the content in the game, NONE, ZERO, NADA. You are better off with a real healer + bard. AST now is just a wannabe healer who is neither a good healer to replace SCH or WHM, or a good buffer (who heal decently) to replace Bard or Machinist.

If the card buffs is AMAZING, at least you can strategize to have the WHM to shoulder the big heal, make the AST to back up heal and buffer, and bring another DPS to significantly turn the tide of the battle. Or you can bring AST to main heal with some buffs thrown in + SCH and Bard/Machinist.

Ok Vlady, we get it, you like the job.
Now you can stop all this nonsense and leave.
This is getting really annoying.
AST IS WEAK and that's it, face it, that's the truth, heals are weak, buffs are weak, its completelly crushed by the actual good healers (aka. WHM/SCH), and it WILL receive a huge buff, even if you don't want it to receive, also, RGN is terrible.
And just in case you could not understand.
AST.IS.WEAK.

This will get you nowhere, for every misinformation you spread 5-6 players will come and prove that you are indeed wrong.
Just give up, stop trying to make AST look amazing, it isn't, FACE IT!

Its like you are just wanting to hear what you want to hear despite me typing it out as clear as I can type it. I created one thread in last 10 ish days compared to let me count..... 15 threads on the first two pages alone... Notice a trend here? And for every misinformation you speak about I will gladly counter it. So it goes both ways.

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Its like you are just wanting to hear what you want to hear despite me typing it out as clear as I can type it. I created one thread in last 10 ish days compared to let me count..... 15 threads on the first two pages alone... Notice a trend here?

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Yea because those 15 threads are made by the same person...
Come on now, give up, go away and do everyone a pleasure.

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Its like you are just wanting to hear what you want to hear despite me typing it out as clear as I can type it. I created one thread in last 10 ish days compared to let me count..... 15 threads on the first two pages alone... Notice a trend here? And for every misinformation you speak about I will gladly counter it. So it goes both ways.

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You "counter" it with yet MORE misinformation.
Just stop, this is getting ridiculous.

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You "counter" it with yet MORE misinformation.
Just stop, this is getting ridiculous.

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Every bit of misinformation that supposedly gets called out to me I have already gladly shot down but nice try.

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Every bit of misinformation that supposedly gets called out to me I have already gladly shot down but nice try.

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This very thread title is misinformation.
go away, please...