Patch 3.05

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Originally Posted by Peekachu33

The fact that Alex normal requires you to either run a floor four times or to have a prayer answered from RNGesus to get a single piece of what is probably just another piece of a complete item, makes the time investment vs. reward clearly biased against Alex. Furthermore why do Rav Ex (which I cleared about 18 times for idk why), when you can get an i200 weapon in eight days? The content is irrelevant to anyone with common sense and time-management savvy.

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Originally Posted by ruskie

Won't be 8 days but 3 weeks or let's say 15 days(remember 450/week and the weapon costs 990 eso). i200 is esoterics with an upgrade item to 210. 210 is savage direct and yeah takes 8 clears.

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Minimum for Eso weapon is 9 days, since you can start on Monday, max, max next week, and then max after reset...
But it's still WAY longer than Ravana weapon, which you can get in 1 day (even 1 try if you are lucky).


(the rest is only for Peekachu)
1) You most likely need 190+ iLvl to clear Savage.
2) It takes VERY long time to get Eso equip.
=> You will very likely need mostly Alex Normal gear + Ravana weapon to clear Savage
=> It's not useless by any means.

Sure if you are taking your time, you can just ignore both Alex NM and Ravana, and just focus on slowly grinding Eso, that's luckily a choice we have.

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(the rest is only for Peekachu) SNIP.

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Well in another month the new relics are released, too, which makes the grind spent on esoterics weapons (which is dumb in the first place considering the cap), or Rav Ex weapons even more fruitless. And i180 vs. i190 gear for alts just doesn't seem worth the hassle or time investment--to me--when I can be doing other things, inside or outside the game, and still be ahead of the curve regardless.

I'll be PVPig till cap, for one, since the new FL is kinda fun. Each match gives 20 esoterics, too, which adds up real quick. Ultimately Alex and Rav Ex gear fills a niche that neither super-slow-and-casual or hardcore really care about. It's weird itemization, having so many ilvls to chase within a month of release.

3.1 won't be coming for a few months - I'm guessing late september. Remember it's 3 month cycles give or take. So earliest we could see 3.1 is ~ september 20th. So plenty of time really.

SE really fucked over the PVP players in yet a new way, big surprise there. We had to put a lot of effort into getting where we could equip/glamour the i100/I110 sets and even though they're not relevant to current ilvls and people can easily get equivalent level gear, they unlock them where someone can just afk in a few roulettes and buy them.

The GC restriction made me resent the people who made PVP decisions at SE. This made me outright despise them.

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Originally Posted by Peekachu33

Well in another month the new relics are released, too, which makes the grind spent on esoterics weapons (which is dumb in the first place considering the cap), or Rav Ex weapons even more fruitless. And i180 vs. i190 gear for alts just doesn't seem worth the hassle or time investment--to me--when I can be doing other things, inside or outside the game, and still be ahead of the curve regardless.

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It will take 2 or 3 months till Relics are released.

And yes, if you are not someone who wants to clear hard endgame content as soon as possible, then this is technically a useless grind for you. But that's the curse of games with vertical progression and a gear treadmill. That's how the game is, that's how the game was, and that's how the game will be for a long time. It's perfectly normal for this kind of games that gear is outdated a few months after release.
The only reason i170-i190 FEELS outdated (it's not, you need it to get the best ones, unless you are taking it VERY slowly) is because SE staggered the release. If they did the same as with 2.0, we would have been farming Savage and Eso gear for 4 weeks now, with Law and NM only being VERY temporary stepping stones...

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I'll be PVPig till cap, for one, since the new FL is kinda fun. Each match gives 20 esoterics, too, which adds up real quick. Ultimately Alex and Rav Ex gear fills a niche that neither super-slow-and-casual or hardcore really care about. It's weird itemization, having so many ilvls to chase within a month of release.

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So you cap for a week and get nothing, only in the second week of capping you will get a gear piece, it will be really really really slow. Would you like to be in i148-i160 for the time being? Or are you glad that you had shit to farm in those 4 weeks?

It's NOT a dead niche they are filling! YOU NEED THEM to gain the better ones, UNLESS you are slow and only focus on Eso gear.

Oh great now PvP ilv 110 weapon can be purchased freely.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

As someone who doesn't really like the echo and nerfs done to coil, this is actually kinda bad. If the intention of introducion alex nm is to make 8 man 'raid' is to make it accessible, why would they put welfare tome gear upgrade in the savage raid? That's just asking for people to complain about accessibility all over again! I mean, hunt's bad but this is worse.

There being really no content where i200 gear upgrade mat can drop and is 'fitting' doesnt really help either. Alex nm? Doesnt seem right? Ravana ex? Doesnt even match.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-the-ball-hard

Wasn't even 6 hours and it already started.

Also anyone else confused about the 100 poetic reward from High roulette? as it reads it gives no esoteric tomes

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Originally Posted by OlyverW

Also anyone else confused about the 100 poetic reward from High roulette? as it reads it gives no esoteric tomes

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SE still considers HM roulette mainly for experience, I guess.
They don't want people spending time in lvl 50 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

SE really fucked over the PVP players in yet a new way, big surprise there. We had to put a lot of effort into getting where we could equip/glamour the i100/I110 sets and even though they're not relevant to current ilvls and people can easily get equivalent level gear, they unlock them where someone can just afk in a few roulettes and buy them.

The GC restriction made me resent the people who made PVP decisions at SE. This made me outright despise them.

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They do that to everyone... relic weapons are given away like candy, FCOB can be beaten in an hour now, ect.... There really are no real achievements in FFXIV except beating the latest set of 4 savage bosses, and even then it wont be long b4 they nerf/echo it :(

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

SE still considers HM roulette mainly for experience, I guess.
They don't want people spending time in lvl 50 dungeons.

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Problem is they gave less incentive for end game players to go into it. Law's value is heavily decreasing for most people and having Esoterics in the roulette would keep breathing life into the older content. Doesn't make sense to me they would exclude Esoterics from it.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Problem is they gave less incentive for end game players to go into it. Law's value is heavily decreasing for most people and having Esoterics in the roulette would keep breathing life into the older content. Doesn't make sense to me they would exclude Esoterics from it.

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There was little to no incentive to go in there in the first place.
New players are discouraged by the amount of dungeons they need to clear to unlock it.
And the dungeons give no EXP outside of the roulette.

SE does NOT want people playing old optional content. They want them playing new stuff.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

SE does NOT want people playing old optional content. They want them playing new stuff.

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That is doubtful. I would imagine SE would want to give a player any reason to keep playing their game, rather outdated content or not.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

That is doubtful. I would imagine SE would want to give a player any reason to keep playing their game, rather outdated content or not.

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If they wanted people playing old lvl 50 OPTIONAL dungeons, they would have given it EXP.
Since they didn't put exp in those dungeons it's clear that they want people in the new content.

People will keep playing the game no matter if the roulette gives Eso, or not, they will just avoid this particular part of content = happy SE.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

If they wanted people playing old lvl 50 OPTIONAL dungeons, they would have given it EXP.
Since they didn't put exp in those dungeons it's clear that they want people in the new content.

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There is no EXP because they want you to progress in levels through new main scenario/areas/dungeons and not grind off old dungeons like people do with FATE's in N.Thanalan. It doesn't mean they do not want you to go back and explore the old dungeons.

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Originally Posted by VisRalis

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[2.0] The PvP rank requirement for item level 100 and 110 PvP gear has been removed.

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But... but.... the text on the item still says it requires level 38 pvp... can someone confirm this can be used for glamour under level 38 pvp?

Edit: Bought a Parrotbeak Coat and was able to equip it under pvp rank 38! Yay!

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Originally Posted by Velhart

There is no EXP because they want you to progress in levels through new main scenario/areas/dungeons and not grind off old dungeons like people do with FATE's in N.Thanalan. It doesn't mean they do not want you to go back and explore the old dungeons.

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Then why do you get literally 2-3x the amount of experience from completing a low level roulette as opposed to high level? Because they aren't optional? There are plenty dungeons in the High Level Roulette that aren't optional. Every new dungeon (not the HM re-hashes) introduced in the MSQ was necessary in progressing the MSQ. I can't remember every single patch, but I know as of the most recent you NEEDED to do Snowcloak and KotL in order to progress MSQ, so those aren't optional.

Let's assume you don't get one of the new leveling dungeons in your Low level roulette. You get, Brayflox NM, for instance. Not only do you get mob xp for every kill, but the bonus for completing the dungeon is higher than High roulette as well.

Y'all are crazy if you think SE wants to actively keep people out of some of their older content. The decision for no XP in the High roulettes was made for 1 reason, and 1 reason alone. We would all go in there with our level synced characters and annihilate AoE all mobs for xp runs instead of making it take longer. Speed XP parties that demand having at least 1 SMN, classes start getting left out again.

This is also why they revamped only the way XP is handled in Dzemael Darkhold and Aurum Vale (or if they did this to the other low dungeons it isn't as prevalent because I didn't notice at all). SE hated that people were doing first room farms, so now they attached a large chunk of that XP to the boss death to encourage full runs. Saying SE wants to keep people out of older content is ridiculous; SE goes out of their way to add glamour/minion/trinkets to all of these different pieces of content that serve no purpose other than being a carrot to lure in rabbits.