As a male gamer, thank you for not oversexualizing every female NPC

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

MMORPG starts sexualizing children.

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Any examples of MMOs that do that? Lalas and Elin are not children, if you try that argument.

I can see an MMO doing that get lots of unwanted attention.

I agree 100% with the OP and at least some of the responses.
However .....

i would KILL for some sleeveless tops ... There's just too few of them :|
I wanna show off my Au Ra's scales without needing her to be 90% naked >_<

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Originally Posted by Sakuraluna

I'm glad we get a choice. I can dress my character depending on my mood and go as skimpy as I want, or head to toe in heavy armor or like a stodgy librarian, regardless of gender. It's nice to have that when other games don't respect personal style preferences to the point it can be uncomfortable rolling a female character.

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Drives me crazy (kinda:P) on so many asian MMOs, not so much the skimpy outfits, but that they always put females in high heels! The designers should be forced to run a marathon in 6 inch heels everytime XD

What? This thread again? How many threads revolving around this matter does this make now? I could have swore this topic has been beaten to death and beyond. o.o

In terms of the OP though, the developers behind this game have been rather practical towards most of the female NPCs in this game. A nice change of pace I suppose.

EDIT: In terms of where I stand on this, I honestly don't care if you look skimpy or not. It's a videogame. Look the way you want. My own character tends to vary in how skimpy she is depending on the role I put her in. :p

I don't mind any types of glamour. Rather it Gladiator gear and its super revealing armor type, or something like the Grandma robes that make up 93.8% of all mage armor. Personally, I enjoy finding the right blend of sexy and functional for my Glamour that doesn't involve Bath Robes. I play SMN >_> I like armor like Fistfighters though TBH, its a real nice set. for my SMN i use Oasis Tunic + Hildebrand Legs and whatever feet I think are best. My SCH is in that new healer robe from Expert cause I like how it looks :Q. my NIN will probably be glamoured in the expert gear when it hits 60 too.

Either way when it comes to revealing glamours, just keep in mind they aren't real people, they're pixels on your screen. So if some teenager has his mithra wearing gladiator armor.. get over it.. you're not the puritanical assault force. learn to live with people having different ideas of beauty~

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Originally Posted by Yutsimaki

That was randomly unnecessary to know.

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I should have clarified what I meant, sorry. Basically, as a lesbian, I also appreciate boobs, but too many games do over sexualize female characters. So I agreed with OP that it's great that FFXIV has female NPCs that aren't given that treatment. I also agree with his examples of Hilda and Lucia, as they happen to be two of my favorites.

Does that seem less random and/or unnecessary now?

Male/Female who cares?

SE thanks for being tastefull with your character design for the most part.

http://i.imgur.com/MKXW6uQ.jpg

I've never liked her charcater so maybe I'm just projecting my dislike of her.

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

I should have clarified what I meant, sorry. Basically, as a lesbian, I also appreciate boobs, but too many games do over sexualize female characters. So I agreed with OP that it's great that FFXIV has female NPCs that aren't given that treatment. I also agree with his examples of Hilda and Lucia, as they happen to be two of my favorites.

Does that seem less random and/or unnecessary now?

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You know what's great?

You're the only person who didn't overreact to that post. You're also the only person that post was even directed at. If only you replied to it, as was intended, no one would have gotten offended over it at all and this topic would be three pages shorter.

Thank you for being rational.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I've never liked her charcater so maybe I'm just projecting my dislike of her.

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To be fair most people don't like Minfilia. But it's less about the boobs and more about her being freaking useless.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

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Lalafells skirt the line very closely imho, Elin are the whole "1000 year old children" trope though >_> Like.. You can say they aren't children because of their behavior to a degree, but you'd be a fool to say they aren't made to look like children for people who want to look like children and act like children, which has some bad connotations associated with it with regards to some activities.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

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I mean, I'm fine with people wearing skimpy sets.. But please don't make it so girls (Or well characters in general) have to deal with "Skimpy armor" that's suppose to be worn by people fighting stuff with sharp blades and all. Honestly I wouldn't mind if SE made more "Battle mage" sets like the soldiery set for healers too.

a lot of people seem to forget that(in case of Japanese Games) People in Japan look very Young even if they are actually older, and therefor the Character Models tend to look young in their Games, and yes their sense or concept of cute and stuff like that is absolutely different then here in the EU or US or where ever.

and this oversexualizing of Children's is a trend nowadays even in Movies, TV Series's or just normal TV,
there are beauty contest's for young children and stuff like that where these Children tend to look like...., if there is something wrong than it is stuff like that.
so before someone says something about this type of stuff in Games, they should look a bit more on "Real World" problems when it comes to this stuff, because like i said in most Games they just look young while in fact are not.


again sorry for my english.

Completely agree with the OP. I'm a girl, and I like how if you want to look revealing, you can, but you also have the choice not to. Is a nice change from some games :)

+1, SE has absolutely done great in this regard, especially next to... so, SO many other game companies. Having the option to dress up in skimpy attire is nice, but it's great when that's not the ONLY option (*cough*TERA*coughcough*).

Also no ridiculous high heels on EVERY OUTFIT. Holy balls, why is that a thing?

Still not perfect, however - stuff like the DRG gut window is still facepalm-worthy. I'm just glad that, as far as I can tell, they've moved away from that crap (unless DRG AF2 ends up having a gut window as well, in which case most of my goodwill will be gone :x).

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

To be fair most people don't like Minfilia. But it's less about the boobs and more about her being freaking useless.

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I also dislike her for being useless, but her character design blew me away in 2.0. At least in 1.0 she looked like a normal person.

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Originally Posted by sucht

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Just because it occurs in real life doesn't make it okay for it to occur in a video game either.. Plus, we know Japan can make some mature looking teenagers and young adults, especially with regards to their male characters (Though.. Girl characters get less of the same unless if by mature means "Big ol' boobs"). Look at Jojo's bizarre Adventure for example or any series that isn't made to pander to the lolicon/moeblob crowd, they can generally make youngish characters not look totally like children and actually like teens or young adults. Also, people can have multiple focuses on both "real world" issues and "virtual" issues, it gets pretty annoying/awful if someone escapes to video games to get away from that crap irl only to encounter it there as well.
But that's off topic, let's not go into children in this game/games in general, there's already a thread for that.

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

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Good news, the DRG AF2 seems to be a whole lot better with regards to weird amounts of skin showing, I just hope it stays the same. Just wish they changed the AF1 to keep either have a /bellywindow option, because I love most of that set.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

What about the ladies who do the same thing to their male characters? It's a two-way street, everyone likes looking at people they find attractive. I'm dressed pretty conservatively now, because the story takes you to a cold area, but you can bet the second it warms up, I'll be wearing my Flame Elite's Loincloth!

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Lol can i peep :P anyway some skin here and there is fine looking sexy or feeling sexy is fine it's really up to the player. I myself don't show much skin at all since i get shy :P yes i know it's only my toon but still

Yeah, Minfillias design is pretty meh, hopefully she'll get a new one soon.

I don't quite understand the "butt flap" on her dress:
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...63ede6d725.png
http://i.imgur.com/9tiNY4P.jpg

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

Just because it occurs in real life doesn't make it okay for it to occur in a video game either..
But that's off topic, let's not go into children in this game/games in general, there's already a thread for that.

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Jojo's bizarre Adventure is great ;)
and agreed this is not a thing to be discussed here in this thread, i just read it and had the urge to say/write something, sorry for that.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

You know what's great?

You're the only person who didn't overreact to that post. You're also the only person that post was even directed at. If only you replied to it, as was intended, no one would have gotten offended over it at all and this topic would be three pages shorter.

Thank you for being rational.

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Ironically, more people get flustered and offended on others behalf when the person/s they're being offended for simply don't care or don't get offended in general.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

Lalafells skirt the line very closely imho, Elin are the whole "1000 year old children" trope though >_> Like.. You can say they aren't children because of their behavior to a degree, but you'd be a fool to say they aren't made to look like children for people who want to look like children and act like children, which has some bad connotations associated with it with regards to some activities.

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The only reason people call them children is because they're short and have no boobs. Lorewise, they're created that way. They dont have a chest the way a human girl does, all they have is a smooth flat torso. They don't need boobs or even nipples, it serves no physical purpose for them. They also happened to be mischievous, enjoying practical jokes. Hardly makes them children...
People really need to get it out of their heads that small stature = child. I have friends who are in their 30s that are shorter than my 14 year old sister.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

I mean, I'm fine with people wearing skimpy sets.. But please don't make it so girls (Or well characters in general) have to deal with "Skimpy armor" that's suppose to be worn by people fighting stuff with sharp blades and all. Honestly I wouldn't mind if SE made more "Battle mage" sets like the soldiery set for healers too.

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Skimpy sets are fine, So long as the male version is equally skimpy. The DD sets for DoW/M are equally revealing for both sides and i think that's great.
Kind of facepalm-worthy on WoW when i first found the Warriors Breastplate out of Sunken Temple and discovered that it was literally two dark grey swirls over my characters breasts, that was it. But on a male, that exact same chestplate was full sleeved suit of armor that covered the whole upper body.
I'm super glad XIV hasn't got any of that that I've seen so far.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Yeah, Minfillias design is pretty meh, hopefully she'll get a new one soon.

I don't quite understand the "butt flap" on her dress:
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...63ede6d725.png

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Omg that Lalafell hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Any examples of MMOs that do that? Lalas and Elin are not children, if you try that argument.

I can see an MMO doing that get lots of unwanted attention.

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You can give a children-like character any name, tell its awesome lore , say they are ancient plants or animal or whatever, but if they look like children, they are children.

We are human beings, not dogs that follow what they are told to do so. A Dev or even Superman can tell you that a lalafell or a tarutaru or an Elin are not children but you know they are. And you know that people pick them exactly for their childish looks.

You know that, you just don't want to accept it because you are afraid to be considered a pedophile. If you are not, then there is no need to be defensive about it.

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Originally Posted by Kienkarajo

Omg that Lalafell hahahaha

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http://i.imgur.com/w6wGMTK.png
Oh, he knows. "You put on a taunting grin" indeed.

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

You can give a children-like character any name, tell its awesome lore , say they are ancient plants or animal or whatever, but if they look like children, they are children.

We are human beings, not dogs that follow what they are told to do so. A Dev or even Superman can tell you that a lalafell or a tarutaru or an Elin are not children but you know they are. And you know that people pick them exactly for their childish looks.

You know that, you just don't want to accept it because you are afraid to be considered a pedophile. If you are not, then there is no need to be defensive about it.

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Your post makes it seem like you're the one terrified to look at an Elin or Lalafel.
I like Elins, i think they're adorable.
Did you know you can think a child is cute/adorable IRL without being arrested for pedophilia? Just in case you were not aware, pedophiles are pedophiles because they rape and/or molest young boys and girls. Not because they look at a small video game character and think its cute/adorable.

Do you also accuse short people IRL of being children? I've a few female friends who would headbutt you if you said that to their face.
What about people who have dwarfism? Do you accuse them of being children also?

I guess what I'm trying to get you to understand is that height is not indicative of a persons age. Humanity shows that, let alone video game characters.

Good lord this thread got waaaay off topic.

Minfilia's outfit is indeed one design that I seriously cannot understand. :3

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

You can give a children-like character any name, tell its awesome lore , say they are ancient plants or animal or whatever, but if they look like children, they are children.

We are human beings, not dogs that follow what they are told to do so. A Dev or even Superman can tell you that a lalafell or a tarutaru or an Elin are not children but you know they are. And you know that people pick them exactly for their childish looks.

You know that, you just don't want to accept it because you are afraid to be considered a pedophile. If you are not, then there is no need to be defensive about it.

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The people who like lalafel aren't the ones who creep me out, because I know they just like cute potato people. It's the people who accuse lala-lovers of pedophilia that creep me out. WHY would that thought/idea even cross your mind? It definitely makes me raise my eyebrow in suspicion.

Can we not devolve this thread into another "why we cant play as kids" debate? There's plenty of other threads specifically for that debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTGh0EMmMC8

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Originally Posted by Deathmask

Honestly i don't care about women being half naked in battles but what really makes me want to puke is when a MMORPG starts sexualizing children.

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It's one of a few reasons I stopped playing Tera.

i see there's a lot of people on planet earth that are still uncomfortable with their sexuality. You guys need to get over this imaginary "over sexualized" propoganda

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Just in case you were not aware, pedophiles are pedophiles because they rape and/or molest young boys and girls. Not because they look at a small video game character and think its cute/adorable.

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While I agree with the jist of the rest of your post, I have to correct you here.

Pedophiles are more accurately described as 'pedosexuals' as they are sexually attracted to young children, in the same way homosexuals are attracted to the same sex (note: I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME THING, I am only saying that the mechanism behind the attraction is the same. Please do not conflate homosexuals with pedosexuals). Being sexually attracted to something does not mean you rape and/or molest that thing. Homosexuals do not rape and/or molest other men and women because they have basic decent common sense (i.e. morality and empathy), and the same goes for pedosexuals. The only ones you ever hear about are the ones who are caught doing some crime of some sort, and half of those people aren't even pedophiles, but rather victims of child abuse.

It's a very common misconception that all pedophiles are child molesters, but this is not the case in reality. In reality there are many hundreds of thousands (no exaggeration) of people who could be identified as pedophiles who have never once laid a hand on a child or even committed any crimes at all. So let's just get that straight before we go too far off the rails, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

Pedophiles are more accurately described as 'pedosexuals' as they are sexually attracted to young children

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We went from talking about boobs to this. WTF is the world coming to!

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Originally Posted by Zyrusticae

While I agree with the jist of the rest of your post, I have to correct you here.

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And here we go again.
I'm sick of this Child bullcrap. We had like 3 heated long drawn out topic's about kids. You guys are obsessed with them.
Ain't no one was talking about this until whathisface on page 6 was talking about how little people look like kids and are kids.
I love Lala's a lot and Elin's. They are friggin' adorable. Guess I'ma pedo for thinking they are cute and accordin' to:
@Whatshisface@Page6: Wow, have you been outside guy? Say that to someone in rl who's like 30 and looks about 16 and get punt'd in the dxck,
and not just by them...by anyone you tell they are a Pedo because they think people who are short or have child-looks cute.
Guess we can never call kids cute or you're immediately dotted as a pedo. FFS, enough already.

I do thank this game for not over sexualizing females, as well as, allowing the option to sexualize males. Honestly, this game has the best allowance of choice whenever you want to be skimpy, full body plated, amongst other things for both males and females. This is something I'll give the developer team kudos for.

i hope for the day when people don't get labeled for having their females characters wear revealing clothing. A day where you can just enjoy the style without being criticized for sexualizing your avatar. (which isn't it at all) The obsession with sexualization of everything in the west is toxic and every time i see a post like this i get disappointed. I enjoy a lot of the more revealing clothing since it has a little elegance and simplicity to it. where you see skin and sex i see beauty and nature. I think there should be a large variety of options, not limited because some people might be offended or feel the need to have some sort of false moral high ground.

I don't mind having sexy outfits on MMOs but I agree that when that's all the game is about, it's kinda sad. I'm glad that the developers keep FFXIV classy.

For every Korean MMO I played last few years, including Aion, Blade&Soul, ArcheAge they all had disturbingly oversexualized female toon. Most of them encouraging player to look up under their skirt, thanks to perv point view option. I appreciate the very controlled yet still sexy and high class character SE design.

The thing people are worried about is over sexualization? Has anyone else noticed the lack of character the races have compared to the FFXI counterparts? The original FFXI took a lot from classical makeup found in the likes of Wizard of Oz, while this game is taking it's inspiration from what appears to be anime conventions. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but the more animal like looks were more poetic in a way.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The thing people are worried about is over sexualization?

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In a hobby industry where it's still super common for female characters to be overly sexualized, yeah, it's a legit worry. Notice how when FF Mobius for mobile was released, the male lead was incredibly sexualized and showing off his bod. The advertisements had him looking pretty steamy with his positions too. Then every gamer that for some reason fears men being presented that way for whatever reason cried out "FOUL!". His Western release got a huge face lift and he's now wearing more clothes. Yet if women cry out like that like they have been, they just get told "she's a strong, powerful woman! stop holding her back!"


So yeah, on topic with the thread, I agree. It is SUPER NICE that both genders of playable characters have a choice in their styling. That's true empowerment. And what's better is it can only be improved.

My favorite female NPC is the mining guild leader. Seeing her for the first time almost convinced me to switch to Highlander on the spot. Her and Moenbryda (sp? Forgive me D: ) are easily the two most gorgeous fem NPCs I have met thus far.

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Originally Posted by Samcaesar

While I think SE does a pretty good job at keeping armor sets pretty equally covering for the boys and girls I'm still a good bit miffed at the DRG and NIN AF >_>

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Ninjas at least made sense. It was actually the legit outfit for kunoichi Dragoons on the other hand............ Just why SE .... Why?

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

I love boobs as much as the next guy, but it gets to the point of insulting when game companies assume that's all we care about. Sure T&A isn't completely absent, but neither is it at annoying levels.

Arguably the best-looking female is Hilda. Beautiful without having to be revealing. Lucia wears full armor when female knights of other RPG's would be lucky to get even half the armor Lucia does.

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...............And yet we have the bunny suit from gold saucer and the coatee from crafting.

While I do not want mages who look like hookers, (although the taffa gear does that) I feel that we should not cover mages in so much cloth that they drown in it and stop players expressing some fashion sense.
Take for example the past robes from final fantasy games, a V neck robe set such as Edea's dress from Final Fantasy 8 would be a great elegant addition to the lack luster choice of glamors currently in game.

Again, don't make stuff slutty, but do not let it stand in the way of elegant fashion either.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...a012Outfit.PNG

I honestly don't mind anyone's glamours and do like that NPC's in general are not overly sexualized. Whenever I make a female in an MMO I usually go for a mix of cute and sexy. Like not over the top in the sexy department cause I myself would not enjoy my female toon to walk around showing off 98% of herself. For me showing of the arms/mid-drift is sexy enough.

Pretty much look at my sig and that is the style of sexy/cute I like to represent if I make a female character. As a male character the most I'll expose is the chest area and even then I would try to find a top to cover most of the pectoral area.