Why most people dont like to tank?

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

... Being a tank actually gives you more freedom to ignore many mechanics in a fight.
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First time in some trial? Go tank!

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It is tanks, who ignore mechanics and just stand there spamming their aoe threat ability / ST threat combo / dps rotation, who irritate me most. If you are slacking on tank and not doing your job to the best of your abilities, then you are putting unnecessary pressure on your healer(s) and rest of the party.
First time in some trial? If it is shiva ex then good luck going there first time on tank. Similar thing goes for other ex primals. I have got WHM and PLD on 60, mostly leveled trough dungeons and most of the tanks were bad (I apologize to exceptions) - pulling 2+ packs in 51+ dungeons not using defensive cds.
DRK pulling whole room after 2nd boss in DH, not using his cds, blaming new healer class for not being able to keep him at max hp whole time, tanks standing in poop, taking vuln stacks then wondering why they take 10k+ hits.
I could go on whole day. Slacking tank is the first cause of any wipe, because it as I said in the beginning it puts more pressure on everyone else and people make more mistakes when under pressure.

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Originally Posted by Dynalon

post above.

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S/he said most mechanics, not all. A lot of stuff is designed to make life hard for the not-tanks, we can ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

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Best explanation. Having thick skin is probably the best advice I can give anyone. To this day, I have never watched a video, or looked up any information outside of the game for encounters I haven't seen yet. When I come into a boss battle for the first time, I get nothing but groans and bellyaching from people who live on YouTube just to play the game. I can't stand this thinking. Just brush it off, and put your learning cap on.

Actually with exception to raid and trail content they don't often give tanks actual mechanics to deal with in average dungeons. It's one of the problems i have with 'casual' dungeons.

Inability to slack off and watch netflix.

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Originally Posted by Dynalon

Slacking tank is the first cause of any wipe, because it as I said in the beginning it puts more pressure on everyone else and people make more mistakes when under pressure.

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The difference is that when you mess up as a DPS, everyone will know it. You will know it. Your party will know it. Because the content is designed that way. You are usually dead, close to dying, or being made significantly easier to kill in a one shot mechanic. And of course, losing DPS.

When you mess up as a tank, sometimes you die. sometimes other people die. but usually, it just means your healer has to work a little bit harder than normal. it is unusual to be met with instant death upon making a single mistake.

in trivial content tanking has the easiest responsibilities to fulfill. you set the pace, you control the amount of incoming damage, you hit some high enmity buttons to keep everything on you and then you wait for things to die and take their stuff.

to a lot of people it is a very unexciting role to play in a dungeon because its like playing a dps (after playing a fury warrior in wow for 6 years it is to me anyway) that does horrible damage. they don't really feel like they can contribute to a group's success the way that they want to as a tank.

honestly i get really discouraged myself sometimes, even with all of the experience i have in internet dragon slaying as a hobby. it's really frustrating sometimes when I have a DPS class I am good at, but I am playing my tank and in my group the DDs are doing awful, awful damage.

i like to be tank because i like heavy armor classes with big weapons, for fast queues and to give people i am queued with an experience that they deserve and so i dont have to put up with a tank pulling things at the speed of smell.

but generally the most important role of any carry is DPS, because if you have enough of it you can trivialize mechanics. it's pretty much the no.1 contributing role on many fights, so it's really frustrating when you can't step up where it is needed when your DDs are slacking. feeling like you are doing something useful in a role is very important to appealing to players.

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Originally Posted by Razzorn

Having thick skin is probably the best advice I can give anyone. To this day, I have never watched a video, or looked up any information outside of the game for encounters I haven't seen yet. ...I can't stand this thinking.

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^I'm surprised yet slightly amused that this is your take-away from the post that you quoted.

Self confidence is for the unspoken fact that you're being blamed for 75% of any/all problems, even when it's not your fault.

But if you're making mistakes (knowingly or not), then yea, it is your fault. You ARE actually tanking poorly, and not just being perceived as such

Its mostly the responsability, when something goes wrong the tank is usually the first to be yelled at if its not the healer. The problem is in most mmo's the dps never wanna work with the tank, they just go nuts and assume you can always hold it. Everyone can see the threat bars on the party window for a reason. Dps need to pay attention to it, because a dead dps contributes no dps. Currently the main 3 that are hard to hold threat from seem to be drg, monk and nin for single target.

Big numbers are purdy that's why most people don't like tanking. Other than that it's just a numbers game I think. There are just way more DPS jobs than tank jobs. When we started this game we were told we'd need 2 tank, 4 DPS, and 2 healers but there were 2 Tanks, 5 DPS, and 2 healers (everybody wants to feel unique and doesn't want to compete for gear.)

Healers in the high end content have the hardest job but overall in low end content it's by far the easiest. Which is why healers there are still quite a few because in most dungeons you can just sit there and toss out a heal occasionally. If you're a good healer in low end content you should be healing and DPSing almost always but no one really notices or cares if you don't.

This is why a game with obvious DPS requirements on a lot of fights should have some form of parsing. Heck a built in tool that shows you an optimal DPS level for your job in a given fight would be a god sent. Just make it the opposite of a hate meter even. Got to put more pressure on those lazy DPS.

I main white mage and tried a tank until 50 but while it was fun it didnt give me the rush i get solo healing or healing in general :p. Even if i dodge mechanics i still find tanking...dull and unfulfilling. I havent tried war or drk but im not rushing to play any tank roles soon xD.

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Originally Posted by Scyris

Its mostly the responsability, when something goes wrong the tank is usually the first to be yelled at if its not the healer. The problem is in most mmo's the dps never wanna work with the tank, they just go nuts and assume you can always hold it. Everyone can see the threat bars on the party window for a reason. Dps need to pay attention to it, because a dead dps contributes no dps. Currently the main 3 that are hard to hold threat from seem to be drg, monk and nin for single target.

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Actually I like it when the dps go all out. The only MMO i've known that a dps has to hold back for a tank to gain hate was in FF11. But it's mechanics for hate is all fucked up. But yeah let them go nuts. Means stuff dies faster and I can go back to watching netflix with a new set of pretty gear.

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Originally Posted by Xenosan

^I'm surprised yet slightly amused that this is your take-away from the post that you quoted.

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I acknowledge everything you said. It's all good advice. I was just adding to the thick skin portion. Whether you are being blamed for things you didn't do, or making mistakes you knew about or not, you should definitely have thick skin. The biggest reason people don't tank is because they are afraid to make mistakes, or get called out constantly for making said mistakes. It isn't just for being blamed for things they didn't do. Improving at something is tough enough already. Then to have people harping on you constantly doesn't help. I'm definitely not saying you shouldn't strive to improve, or take advice from people actually giving worthy advice. But, that's rare. Most of the time you just get jackass comments, and people expecting you to know everything already.

Tanking and healing are things done to support the survival of the team, whereas damage dealing is something everyone does. As a result, the overall survival of the team is in the hands of tanks and healers. It's the added responsibility that causes players to shy away from tanking. It's a classic problem going back to World of Warcraft, and things like duty finder were pioneered in that game as a way to help overcome the discrepancy. The problem isn't damage, because even after tanks were buffed back in "Burning Crusade," people still gravitated to damage dealers. The introduction of the death knight class in "Wrath of the Lich King" showed it wasn't a matter of damage dealers being more aesthetically pleasing than the tanks. Finally, the introduction of dungeon finder proved that it wasn't a matter of people not finding one another either. There were plainly less tanks, and when a solution was added that solved the problem for a moment, many tanks would stop tanking and start being damage dealers.

So the next natural design step in improving the trinity is really going back to Tank/Healer/Controller, but to answer your question, it is the perceived responsibility that tanks shoulder which draws people away from playing them.

Tanks are a single point of failure that is often emphasized much more often than any other role. Tanks require player-to-player coordination more than any other role (swapping).

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Originally Posted by Fendred

So the next natural design step in improving the trinity is really going back to Tank/Healer/Controllerr

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Oh man do you think they will ever introduce a CC/Support class into FFXIV? I Love CC/Support classes. Psionicist in Allods online. Mentalist in GW2. *drool*

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Originally Posted by Skypirate

Oh man do you think they will ever introduce a CC/Support class into FFXIV? I Love CC/Support classes. Psionicist in Allods online. Mentalist in GW2. *drool*

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Probably not, because when controller is added, it forces the party to stop and consider alternate strategies for handling fights. Yoshida's dungeon design suggests that he wants encounters to be something between an action RPG and a more traditional MMORPG. His decision probably involves giving people less options on purpose to prevent random groups from fighting over what strategy to use. Playing devils advocate, imagine what would have happened a year after launch when a new player gets into end game dungeon finder for the first time. Bored, disgruntled people now demand he know not one, but several ways of running the place so they can communicate complex strategies almost telepathically with a few phrases.

But yeah, I think it would be cool if they swapped out DD for controller and gave the traditional DD jobs more responsibility for group member's safety. If everyone has equal responsibility in the group and everyone is capable of producing numbers, why run away from tanking?

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Originally Posted by Skypirate

Oh man do you think they will ever introduce a CC/Support class into FFXIV? I Love CC/Support classes. Psionicist in Allods online. Mentalist in GW2. *drool*

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I hear you. Back a long time ago, Enchanters and Mez were a key to success, but those days are far past and gone.
Now it's gather them all and aoe the shit of them ; cause you know, speed runs.

Good tanks are remembered by everyone. It's harder to get there but those are some top tier players.

Tanking is simply more stressful than playing DPS. I'm excluding healers because every healer knows the terror of his target's HP decreasing faster than he can get heals out, especially when someone is about ot die. That stuff can cause heart attacks.
As a DPS you usually focus on damaging a single target and maybe dodging the occasional AoE.
A Tank sets the pace, has to have an eye for his healer's ressources, party positioning, mechanics and also has to manage aggro on multiple mobs. DPS not focusing the same targets also makes a tank's life harder. Every mob you see turning around stings (see the healer situation above).

I still like it. Tank is credit to team xD

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Originally Posted by Azzbad

I hear you. Back a long time ago, Enchanters and Mez were a key to success, but those days are far past and gone.
Now it's gather them all and aoe the shit of them ; cause you know, speed runs.

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That's not the case at all. It's because in most cases you can swap out the CC for a DD and do just fine.

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Originally Posted by Hurz

Every mob you see turning around stings (see the healer situation above).

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And to add on to that, you're likely to be verbally abused by the DPS (Although healers are, once more, in the same boat here).

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Originally Posted by Hypie

no like the emo war bear who looks lik he wants to jump down the next cliff
the steroid war lion who looks like he had never lesser leg day
and like the war panther which actually really looks cool but you dont use it because you fly around with your even more badass gryphon ^^

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lol made my day

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Originally Posted by Delorean

When you mess up as a tank, sometimes you die. sometimes other people die. but usually, it just means your healer has to work a little bit harder than normal. it is unusual to be met with instant death upon making a single mistake.

in trivial content tanking has the easiest responsibilities to fulfill. you set the pace, you control the amount of incoming damage, you hit some high enmity buttons to keep everything on you and then you wait for things to die and take their stuff.

to a lot of people it is a very unexciting role to play in a dungeon because its like playing a dps that does horrible damage. they don't really feel like they can contribute to a group's success the way that they want to as a tank.

it's really frustrating sometimes when I am playing my tank and in my group the DPSs are doing awful, awful damage.

i like to be tank because i like heavy armor classes with big weapons, for fast queues and so i dont have to put up with a tank pulling things at the speed of smell.

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^Dis

Add: being able to afk on trash pulls in dungeons after 3 aoe enmity button pressings and STILL keep aggro ♥

But most importantly: Heavy armor, big axes or swords and instant queues.

by being THE tank in your team you ensures that you WON'T get a crappy tank ! You set the dungeon pace too. People have to follow you. You da party leader =)

I play MNK and PLD. Firstly MNK for static, but always up for tanking too, and succesfully tanked the majority of content upto Bismark extreme. Honestly, from my opinion, I find MNK puts more pressure to perform than when I'm tanking. On tanking, if you fluff your rotation while dealing with mechanics theres no issue as long as you stay in the front of enmity. Whereas with MNK if you fluff your rotation it can be a noticeable DPS loss.

In other words, I find tanking a lot easier with less pressure than DPSing.

Because they get 97% of AST healers slowing down their runs to a crawl.
Almost afraid to que with the fear that I wont get a Scholar/Whm or 3% of AST's. And by I mean 3% I'm just assuming there is a faction of the AST populous that doesn't make dungeon running lame as fuck, if I went off personal experience it would be 0.5%.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

Because they get 97% of AST healers slowing down their runs to a crawl.
Almost afraid to que with the fear that I wont get a Scholar/Whm or 3% of AST's. And by I mean 3% I just presume there is at least 3%, on personal experience its 1%.

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Havnt had any issue with all of the ASTs I got in DF. Bad DPS? thats another story XD

I see bad dps all the time, except bad dps are a lot less relevant if you're just farming. Bad tanks and healers are harder to carry, since both of my current characters are Tanks, I have no one to blame for tanking inadequacies but myself.
I presume most of these AST aren't even bad players, but bringing out the power of that class in the circumstances desired after running content 40/50 times, is not something I see very often at all. Basically goes that I que for something go "hope its not an AST" see its an Ast "okay gotta reduce my pulls..." if I don't reduce it, boom wipe, now spend an extra 5 minutes on it. Brb Scholar/Whm doesn't matter if they're brand new, they handle everything.

Can do anything with a typical df AST if I slow it down, but I don't have the same patience I did at the start unfortunately.. Tempted to just create a new gear set of full vit shit, and use some Keepers to go full Vit on every run where I have an AST. Just to save myself the headache.

I usually play tank to relax.
In dungeons it's by far the easiest job to play, spamming AoEs to keep aggro and blowing def cooldowns.
It's a change from DPS but that might be because I always try to perform at top levels.
Bad tanks hate me for that because they won't keep up good tanks love me because we breeze through that dungeon.
Yes I'm the kind of DPS some people here hate because I don't give a Dhalmel about aggro. I do my job which is DPS and expect the tank to do his.
I never had problems with that either and when a DPS stole aggro from me it encouraged me to perform better so it doesn't happen.
That said; DPS who pull should just die, this is not their job and if the tank is obviously undergeared it might be a good idea to hold back for the first seconds of the pull.

I'm not saying tanks are easy in general, in raids they have to time their def cooldowns perfectly, keep movement to an absolute minimum while still getting out of shit and grab adds on the fly which can be stressful when everyone is going all out.
Some here say people who can't tank play DPS, well most of the time they can't DPS either and it's not true that they will go unnotized, you don't need a parser to see which DPS is performing bad.

Honestly, a good way to practice tanking is to do fates. Learn how to do the proper rotation and if things go bad, just back out of it so another tank steps in. Practice and learn the mechs for whatever tank you are. Go in a dungeon/raid as healer or dps and while playing that role, watch the tank and learn what he/she does so that you know what to do when you step up to the plate as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Slephnir

Honestly, a good way to practice tanking is to do fates.

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Blasphemy! Everyone there's only one rotation that tanks use in Fate grinding:

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Originally Posted by Slephnir

Honestly, a good way to practice tanking is to do fates.

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Fates with a single boss, yes, maybe. But they still die faster than you can get 3 combos out, unfortunatelly.

For me, as much as a love tanking, i try to always mantain my blm with a decent set of gear for those moments when i feel like don't thinking too much in dungeon runs, or tabbing out to chrome while flare finishes its cast.

Wow so many replies!, thanks for all the people who answered, I wasn't able to reply because I reached out my limit, but I followed your advices. I continued with my DRK and I already did The Dusk Vigil, Sohm Al, The Aery and Ravana HM, all the dungeons went pretty smoothly except for Ravana that was a mess the first 3 pulls because I didn't know that the walls break after a while and that you can fall (I felt terrible T_T). But overall I like experience, I dont need to deal with tanks that want to pull the whole dungeon and expect me to heal them without any problems and I usually ask to the healer if they are ok with big pulls, I dont have any enmity issues and feels great to deal with the actual boss face to face and not babysit heal bars as a healer. I think I will keep it as my main and as you said its a challenge and I think that that's what I was looking for on this game.

It's because tanks are labeled or considered as a "leader" type and guess what happens to people who lead? They get criticized. A lot of people do not like criticism or like the feeling of people bellowing down their neck so most people shy away. Plus, a lot of people are "followers" so they play DPS classes where they don't have to do any leading or anything of that nature.

I personally love tanks and have tanked for many years since Everquest 1. I love that I can control the pace at which the group moves in some form or another plus I have a good memory so I enjoy memorizing tactics/strategies so It helps leading groups when the tank knows what to do/what not to do so I can help others. I do enjoy dps classes and healing but for some reason, in this game, I can't pinpoint a DPS class to focus on. I go from Monk, to Black mage, back an forth when I do play a DPS class. Tanks, hell, I love them all. Healers, well, since I have a 52 Summoner, that means my Scholar is 52 but I don't know if I enjoy the healing style over the Astrologist.

It has quite a steep learning curve right at the start. But once the basic has been stamped inside your brain, it's easy to tank, even when it's a new instance.

I tanked one of the Expert dungeon yesterday as a first timer with my WAR. Still using my Zeta + Augmented Poetics. I wanted to test out how hard the mobs hit, so I pulled 2 groups at once for the first pull. Ended up using all of my CDs. After that, just small groups. So here, it means that I understand how far I can stretch out my tanking abilities and how the team fares in AOE and single targets, as well as the healing abilities of my healer. Small groups ended up being easier because the SCH can DPS as well and it makes things go a lot faster.

Even at the bosses, the vet MNK and SCH just gave me two lines of tips. The rest is just your tanking skills such as handling agro, taking up adds, mitigating big hits, turning the boss away from the rest of the team, etc.

I mained WAR right from the start of ARR and the first few dungeons were a pain, yes. I didn't know about flash, about the agro meter and about these small details of being a tank. The ones that didn't stick with being tank probably gave up at this point and the better ones stayed. The excellent ones stick with it despite the inevitable bad talking you'll get from other people and universally learn about how mobs and bosses work.

tl;dr Steep learning curve at the start + the chances of screwing up is bigger than others = Not a good place to start learning to tank.

You can't get into any of the expert dungeons unless you're A) level 60 and B) have 145 ilvl. I suppose lodestone might not have updated your level if you just dinged 60 yesterday, but you can't get in with Zeta + Augmented Poetics. Unless you changed once you got in (after having 145), in which case I'm surprised you weren't kicked.

Did you mean one of the leveling dungeons, like Dusk Vigil or the Vault?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

You can't get into any of the expert dungeons unless you're A) level 60 and B) have 145 ilvl. I suppose lodestone might not have updated your level if you just dinged 60 yesterday, but you can't get in with Zeta + Augmented Poetics. Unless you changed once you got in (after having 145), in which case I'm surprised you weren't kicked.

Did you mean one of the leveling dungeons, like Dusk Vigil or the Vault?

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No, I mean one of the dungeons included in them. If I'm not mistaken The Aery was one of them, yes? If it is, I am correct. If it's not, then my bad and sorry. I haven't unlocked them all yet (Only Dusk Vigil, Sohm Al and The Aery) so I think there would be more.

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Originally Posted by elemental10

No, I mean one of the dungeons included in them. If I'm not mistaken The Aery was one of them, yes? If it is, I am correct. If it's not, then my bad and sorry. I haven't unlocked them all yet (Only Dusk Vigil, Sohm Al and The Aery) so I think there would be more.

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Nope, none of the non-60 dungeons are in Expert Roulette. They are included in the "Low Level" roulette.

So which of the new, non-60 dungeons did you use your ARR gear in?

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Originally Posted by elemental10

No, I mean one of the dungeons included in them. If I'm not mistaken The Aery was one of them, yes? If it is, I am correct. If it's not, then my bad and sorry. I haven't unlocked them all yet (Only Dusk Vigil, Sohm Al and The Aery) so I think there would be more.

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Expert dungeons are now only lvl 60, and only two of them are in there. Aery is lvl 55 and inthe Low Level one. High level is still all the lvl 50 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

Nope, none of the non-60 dungeons are in Expert Roulette. They are included in the "Low Level" roulette.

So which of the new, non-60 dungeons did you use your ARR gear in?

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Ahh so in that case, I apologise. But still, my post stands about how certain experience is needed to tank efficiently.

Its a pretty big learning curve. I was a SMN for the longest and just got tired of the long que times. So I made a Paladin and tried it out. I didnt realize I missed alot of mechanics from several dungeons that I just didnt notice because I was a dps and just did rotation after rotation after rotation.

I even tell every group that this is my first time, but I read the guide so I am not completely lost in the dark on a first time run. I eventually tried out WAR to get a different aspect to tanking. Now I have a lvl60 DRK and there are times that I feel squishy in certain content, but its a learning process.

Now I go into dungeons knowing which adds are going to hit me the hardest. Now I barely play my SMN because I love tanking so much.

If anything tanking requires a large amount of self confidence. For those tanks starting out right now at lvl30 who havent tanked anything before, and dont have even 1 crossclass skill. Those are the ones I notice who struggle.