Getting rid of surnames

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I know what you mean, lost count how many times I've facedesked because I've seen people using names from previous final fantasys.

Have yet to see a Sephiroth though.... probably 'cos he doesn't have a last name XD

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pshh sephiroth strife is the obvious answer LOL..

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Originally Posted by Kam

hey.. now thats failed game mechanics you're talking about :/

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I know :[ I know.. but still i've never had the problem where i couldnt get someones name unless they were like quick striding opposite direction then hit a zone line and then dced while zoning.. O-o granted it does take a bit to type the name it could be worse... most of the time if im talking to a few people i just cycle through Ctrl R and normally dont have problems..

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

i'm all for surnames but come on cloud stryfe optimus prime (lol) tifa leonheart... original please.. x3

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You could see that kind of names even if we didn't have surnames.
Then there would be people running around with names like "optimusprime", "cloudstrife", "tifaleonheart", etc.
It's all just punched up together. :/

Not to be picky but Tifa's last name is Lockheart :p

Squall's last name was Leonheart

^ True true... XP

On my old warcraft server I used to get this overwhelming urge to kill a deathknight i kept seeing that was simply named Deathknight.

My gnome warrior Gnibbles chased him all around stormwind one time shouting "Unoriginal" at him for like, 5 minutes.

I was waiting for a heroic, there was nothing else to do :p

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

My gnome warrior Gnibbles chased him all around stormwind one time shouting "Unoriginal" at him for like, 5 minutes.

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/golfclap +1

he got what was coming to him.... psch unorginal names...

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Originally Posted by Overkill9000

/golfclap +1

he got what was coming to him.... psch unorginal names...

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I did end up grouping with him for a raid once though.

Then I called him Mr. Nobody.

Anyways, I'm finally off to bed >.>'

ta-ta :D

I remember seeing someone named Hunter in a battleground one time and his pets name wasn't that original either.
Totally made me do /facepalm and sigh.
Then I quit WoW because of FFXIV...
Plus ever since I quit it, I've enjoyed it that there hasn't been goldsellers whom
have been whispering to me every freaking 5 minutes or so.

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Originally Posted by Kam

I'd like to hear peoples opinions on this. I've had a few discussions in game with friends and some are for, some are against.

Personally I'm not much of a fan. "/tell Charles whatthehellstupidlongname" is wearing thin.

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Don't be lazy, surnames are actually a good addition and actually being utilized in more games both Online and Mock Online games (.hack style)

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Not to be picky but Tifa's last name is Lockheart :p

Squall's last name was Leonheart

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I know this O_o I've played majority of final fantasies however you'd be surprised how weird people get when they want to fantasize their favorite characters having a baby...

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Originally Posted by Kam

Personally I'm not much of a fan. "/tell Charles whatthehellstupidlongname" is wearing thin.

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Use /tell <t> if you have the person in the traget or use the auto-translator if you have the person in your audience category

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Originally Posted by Kam

Personally I'm not much of a fan. "/tell Charles whatthehellstupidlongname" is wearing thin.

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Personally I'm not much of a fan of "/tell XxxSephirothxxX"

Surname lessen name conflict, like real life.

I was wondering when this topic would be brought up again..

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Personally I'm not much of a fan of "/tell XxxSephirothxxX"

Surname lessen name conflict, like real life.

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This. I hate the whole "adding stupid symbols or using a name that's like a username on a forum" thing. I like realistic names.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Don't be lazy, surnames are actually a good addition and actually being utilized in more games both Online and Mock Online games (.hack style)

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Its not an issue of lazyness. I've argued an immersive and practical point. This isn't facebook.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Personally I'm not much of a fan of "/tell XxxSephirothxxX"

Surname lessen name conflict, like real life.

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Your essentially saying 1million+ people (the numbers SE are aiming for..) can't invent a unique name with out using the space bar? This? in the days of unique pin numbers and passwords for everything we own, right?

30,000 players and we're arguing over the right to our uniqueness of our last names? Damn. I dont see the need for them to exist. And baring that. I'd want the option to opt out.

It ruins my immersion. And from a practical standpoint its hell if you wana send a quick tell to someone thats just jogged past you. That's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Kam

Your essentially saying 1million+ people (the numbers SE are aiming for..) can't invent a unique name with out using the space bar? This? in the days of unique pin numbers and passwords for everything we own right?

It ruins my immersion. And from a practical standpoint its hell if you wana send a quick tell to someone jogging by you. That's just my opinion.

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What "immersion" by having a name only give? Name only is usually reserved for some very great entity, like a Primal, Archon or a God.

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Originally Posted by Kam

Your essentially saying 1million+ people (the numbers SE are aiming for..) can't invent a unique name with out using the space bar? It ruins my immersion. And from a practical standpoint its hell if you wana send a quick tell to someone jogging by you. That's just my opinion.

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I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

You're saying that having names as they work in the real world (first name/surname) is bad...and having stuff like "XxXG0DlySephir0th86XxX" is a better option for immersion? Really?

How is it that a naming convention that actually exists in the real world is less immersive than something that looks like a bad chatroom username on AOL back in the 90's?

Make surnames optional?

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Originally Posted by AlphaDragoon

I just want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding you.

You're saying that having names as they work in the real world (first name/surname) is bad...and having stuff like "XxXG0DlySephir0th86XxX" is a better option for immersion? Really?

How is it that a naming convention that actually exists in the real world is less immersive than something that looks like a bad chatroom username on AOL back in the 90's?

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what i find most interesting is you're assuming a space bar STOPS those kind of names.

people will always be idiots. and its not worth discussing.

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Originally Posted by Kam

what i find most interesting is you're assuming a space bar STOPS those kind of names.

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Because in fact it does?

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Originally Posted by Ilean

Make surnames optional?

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Please. /10char

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

Because in fact it does?

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If you want to argue the semantics of typing out a singular convoluted name, verses a stupidly long and irregular "fantasy" name with a space bar in it. You got the wrong person.

Splitting hairs and you don't seem to realise.

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Originally Posted by Kam

Your essentially saying 1million+ people (the numbers SE are aiming for..) can't invent a unique name with out using the space bar? This? in the days of unique pin numbers and passwords for everything we own, right?

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Are we talking about the same 1million+ people who more than likely share these 500 hundred common passwords here? I think you give people too much credit. ;)

But still, while I'm not one of the many who would be in danger of having their name of choice already being taken, I rather like my first and last name combination as it does add an additional sense of uniqueness. I do agree that there needs to be a better way to send someone tells at a moment's notice.

I personally like Belgian Rofl's suggestion a while back. But the simpler to code and more likely to be used solution would be a right click menu to send tells, access a player's bazaar and check their gear, etc. I suppose for gamepad users the solution would be to add a Send Tell option in the Interactions Menu.

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Originally Posted by Kam

If you want to argue the semantics of typing out a singular convoluted name, verses a stupidly long and irregular "fantasy" name with a space bar in it. You got the wrong person.

Splitting hairs and you don't seem to realise.

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It isn't semantic because it's a fact? Apart from gibberish RMT, you don't see XXXSephirothXXX.

Last names are fine. Keep them. It really doesn't bother me at all. I have a last name in real life and I'm not annoyed when I have to fill out forms. It's really not that big a deal.

I wish we could have punctuation though.

I want my Miqo'te to be named N'khani.... Can't do that though. I could see that being abused but they shouldn't have made the Seeker of the Sun's have those naming mechanics.

I wanted to name my Galka in XI a Hume given name but I couldn't because of the one name nonsense. Desperatesword is just not as cool as Desperate Sword.

I like last names.

Or optional. I'm cool with that as well. I don't call everyone by there last name in RL so either way is fine, but don't remove it. Make it an option.

Practical reasons for turning them off - off the top of my head - would be more space in the chat log. Easier insta-tells to someone you just saw. Easier chatting in general. Less screen clutter. All these add to more "immersion" than a simple 'last name'

i'd love an option to have a surname or not personally

It isn't an issue of not having enough possibilities of names for everyone, We need enough possibilities so we can all have the names we want. I'm against having to put a - in my name. I was upset when i couldn't get the name Heartilly, I had to go with Leonhart instead. I don't think Square will nix the surname. But i could see them letting us turn them off. =)

I say you need to suck it up and type out /t Ayaka Tranquility whenever you want to talk to me. Don't be a baby.

Believe it or not, there are at least four people on Mysidia who have the name "Uni". (myself included) Because of that I'm all for keeping surnames, as they allow for more diversity in name choices. (I sure as hell never want to spend 2 hours just trying to FIND a name that isn't being used like I did in FFXI) Seriously, those who want to get rid of them are just saying "I already have a named character, to hell with everyone else."

Edit: just looked up players with first name Uni on FFXIVpro.com, going down the list for Mysidia we get the following:

Puni Uni
Uni Kitty
Uni Que
Uni Maru
Uni Neko
Sanction Uni
Uni Makaron
Uni Don
Uni Qlo
Unico Morimori
Unico Votton

So actually, there are six other Unis on my server who I would have to assassinate in order to keep my name if SE removed surnames, it would enter into myth and legend as one of many savage bloody chapters in the name wars.

When're you take my name serious or not I literally put hours upon hour into rerolling this character.
Im against getting rid of surnames, mine was very carefully picked.

Without surnames, we wouldnt be able to choose a name at all, remember how hard it was at xi. Rmt had so many names taken xD

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Originally Posted by Kam

what i find most interesting is you're assuming a space bar STOPS those kind of names.

people will always be idiots. and its not worth discussing.

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Perhaps you're not playing the same game I am...but it in fact HAS stopped those kinds of names for the most part. There's a lot of folks with names that actually make sense rather than look like ridiculous chatroom names.

And again, instead of evading by talking about a space bar, literally EXPLAIN how having one name, where people's choices often get taken and have to resort to the ridiculous or the "username" style names, makes a game more immersive (immersive meaning you the player are more drawn into the game's world) than having two names like we do in the real world.

If we get rid of surnames, we might as well just go by numbers instead of names. hello, I'm player no.41269.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

Can we just get rid of pants instead...

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Now this is a request worth following up on.

May I direct you to Lindblum to join the wonderful and very exclusive linkshell, "Pants Optional."

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Originally Posted by Rinoa

If we get rid of surnames, we might as well just go by numbers instead of names. hello, I'm player no.41269.

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Exactly like FFXI

Oh, so they got rid of surnames in XI? I can't believe Square would be so stupid.

I'm for, so I can finally change my name to XxNeptunexX

I'm glad your on Besaid and not Kashuan. (^o^)