Yo who can't buy a house?

I get anything wrong in that list?

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Well, are there any small plots or is there only large stuff left?

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Originally Posted by Cakekizy

Think it's just medium and large. I was mainly looking for large anyway, just will take me a few years to make that kinda gil.

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I was actually scoping out houses for my friends and I and I can say there are no small plots left on Ultros. Lavender Beds is pretty full, a few mediums and a spattering of large houses are still available in the Mists, and the Goblet has the most available plots, just no small.

Higher end materia went for about 500k plus last I looked, but I haven't checked it in months.

Edit: I should add that it is concerning natively available plots, not players selling plots, of which I have seen one in the past week selling a small plot. Also clarified for the Mists.

http://i.imgur.com/qj9S5oC.png

This is the fourth house I've seen this person sell in the time I've seen them using Party Finder.. This is the second house THIS WEEK this person has been advertising to sell.

The start of the week they were selling a small Goblet house.

SE this is absolutely retarded. Please make it to where a person can only own one personal house per server and to where they cannot be the FC leader on another character of a FC owning a house if they are already a FC leader with house ownership and make it to where the personal house they own can be shared by their other characters on their service account.

To my knowledge Ultros has no plots left in Mist (maybe a couple mediums/larges) and Lavender Beds is almost out of plots as well. As far as our market goes, I usually only bother checking materia/demiamateria and Crit IVs were 300k and Det IVs were 350k and someone told me Piety was around there as well. Fieldcraft 3s are about 35k while Battlecraft 3s are 70k-80k and Mastercrafts are anywhere from 130k-170k last I checked.

My fc's ward, majority of the houses have been empty for months, ranging from abandoned FC's to personal houses where the player hasn't been seen in months.

I'm very social type, i like to go around and add neighbors to my friends list. I know they've been MIA for months.


Why the abandonment? there's little to no incentive to relinquishing land on the basis of "meh i got bored of the house" or going out of their way to relinquish before unsubscribing from the game.

The grace period for inactivity to auto-relinquish needs to be implemented and enforced.

A system needs to be setup where players can obtain a considerable refund for relinquishling land back to the hands of the server. Players conduct reselling deals but those are rare, and right now theres probably more inactive houses in plots than there are active that obviously needs to be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by KaedrianLiang

The grace period for inactivity to auto-relinquish needs to be implemented and enforced.

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I concur

The biggest mistake was to open the current areas for players instead of keeping it FC exclusive. There has to be another solution for solo-housing. When my FC bought the big plot 28 in the lavenderbeds for 46 Million on Cerberus, almost all houses have been occupied by solo-players and the result is having an "empty" ward in terms of players you see, which sadly is very boring.

As for Cerberus, we are simply sold out and people don't bother selling their plots on a regular basis.

Ragnarok: All plots are taken.

I'm curious about how many of those people/FCs are still active. Might do some checks later.

A sad move has occurred. It's a growing club at least.

Lets keep it real, the biggest mistake was implementing personal housing. SE should have bit their lips, and admit they fucked up and can't deliver personal housing on time, then postpone the implementation date until the real personal housing promised by yoshi p is ready.

Sargatanas now has no housing whatsoever available.

Is it against SE's rules to sell you plot for relinquish to another player for Gil? I've been hearing anecdotes of people getting smacked on the wrist by SE for this.

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Originally Posted by Ken_8O

Is it against SE's rules to sell you plot for relinquish to another player for Gil? I've been hearing anecdotes of people getting smacked on the wrist by SE for this.

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Not as far as I'm aware.. There are plenty of threads on the forums advertising such things and they go untouched by the mods..

Besides, SE can't really police that when the very reason players are doing it is because of their own failures.. Players are just finding ways to work around the flawed system.

Housing was meant to be a gil sink. A player selling their plot means that they have to buy another housing permit, which is another 500K to 3 million down the black hole.

Now, a player selling their entire FC with a house was probably an unforeseen circumstance.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Housing was meant to be a gil sink. A player selling their plot means that they have to buy another housing permit, which is another 500K to 3 million down the black hole.

Now, a player selling their entire FC with a house was probably an unforeseen circumstance.

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It's a joke of a gil sink, if they really wanted housing to regulate how much gil was in the economy, they would of added a rent system. It actually isn't that hard if you grind for it, to get 40-80M gil for a large house. Now if that large house cost you 1M gil a week to keep, I'm sure we wouldn't be having people buying up plots just for resell, and it would also make more plots available, due to repossession of inactive character's houses.

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Originally Posted by Gralna

It's a joke of a gil sink, if they really wanted housing to regulate how much gil was in the economy, they would of added a rent system. It actually isn't that hard if you grind for it, to get 40-80M gil for a large house. Now if that large house cost you 1M gil a week to keep, I'm sure we wouldn't be having people buying up plots just for resell, and it would also make more plots available, due to repossession of inactive character's houses.

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riiiight.... so i can work for my IRL mortgage and work for my in game one.. no thanks

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Originally Posted by Gralna

It's a joke of a gil sink, if they really wanted housing to regulate how much gil was in the economy, they would of added a rent system. It actually isn't that hard if you grind for it, to get 40-80M gil for a large house. Now if that large house cost you 1M gil a week to keep, I'm sure we wouldn't be having people buying up plots just for resell, and it would also make more plots available, due to repossession of inactive character's houses.

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Do you really think the people complaining about not being able to get a house would be less excluded by this? I mean people are already conspicuously ignoring empty large plots when they say a server is full, if they are that cheap are they going to pay 1m a week?

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Do you really think the people complaining about not being able to get a house would be less excluded by this? I mean people are already conspicuously ignoring empty large plots when they say a server is full, if they are that cheap are they going to pay 1m a week?

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That's true, among the people who complain about the availability of housing, there's a very large portion of them who simply don't have the money to even buy a small plot and complain because they can't make the gil.. Fact of the matter is, people WILL complain regardless of how it's done.. Even if SE implemented free instanced housing to everyone, some people WILL find ways to complain about that too..

is there housing available anywhere?

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

That's true, among the people who complain about the availability of housing, there's a very large portion of them who simply don't have the money to even buy a small plot and complain because they can't make the gil.. Fact of the matter is, people WILL complain regardless of how it's done.. Even if SE implemented free instanced housing to everyone, some people WILL find ways to complain about that too..

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I think the problem is that small are severely under-priced, which allows for an incredibly high profit margin and encourages people to buy them out as soon as servers are up. Basic issue with price ceilings, it's economics 101. You don't have this land rush if houses aren't underpriced, none of these speculators are buying medium and large and there was no small land rush in 2.1

Make houses sellable and float the price, suddenly all the survivors of dead FCs realize they'd like the money more than the house and there are houses available. They'd be a housing issue irl as well if you couldn't exchange property deeds.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Housing was meant to be a gil sink. A player selling their plot means that they have to buy another housing permit, which is another 500K to 3 million down the black hole.

Now, a player selling their entire FC with a house was probably an unforeseen circumstance.

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No, if they really wanted a steady gil sink, they'd charge for raids like they did in FFXI.

Dynamis used to cost a raid group a million gil to run each time. They lowered it to half a million after we complained for a few years.

Imagine a raid group having to shell out 100K for each attempt at T13...

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Originally Posted by Catwho

No, if they really wanted a steady gil sink, they'd charge for raids like they did in FFXI.

Dynamis used to cost a raid group a million gil to run each time. They lowered it to half a million after we complained for a few years.

Imagine a raid group having to shell out 100K for each attempt at T13...

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... did you just... are you arguing with yourself?

Don't know if you want to add servers with free plots for completeness.

We have loads, all sizes.

Though we are notoriously dead last for progression, guess it evens out :p

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Make houses sellable and float the price, suddenly all the survivors of dead FCs realize they'd like the money more than the house and there are houses available. They'd be a housing issue irl as well if you couldn't exchange property deeds.

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Yes, there are lots of ideas to make housing ownership a continued burden such as a weekly or monthly fee to keep the house, or automatic relinquishment after a period of inactivity..
Funny thing is, the people who oppose these ideas are also the ones crying foul over the profiteers. Most people that are in support of them likely already have houses if not by the traditional means, by having bought from somebody else..

It's good to have faith in SE that they'll make everything right and all but come on, let's be realistic.. SE has already stated and shown us by example that they simply cannot handle the housing overload. They probably never will have enough plots for people to buy them at the fully depreciated prices.. If you've been around on the server from earlier, you've seen people snatch up mansions for 20 million, smalls for under 1 million.. I get it, you remember just a few months ago, X bought his house for 10m gil, and now I want to buy the same sized house, I have to pay 5 times what he paid, but that's just it, market is not the same anymore, it probably never will be. You can wait for the prices to drop down to what it once was (probably never) or be prepared to pay the premium.

At least if SE implemented the system to trade houses, we would all know what a "fair" real market value of houses are and half the people complaining would instead have a solid goal to work towards.

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings. How's it going?

YOU PEOPLE. It's always you people.

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Originally Posted by o3o

you have no idea the amount of gil floating around in legacy servers...... some who have come from 1.0 have around 300+ mil...

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Just wanna correct, legacies did have denomination. So there would be no one will carry hundreds of million gils into 2.0. That 300+ mil gil you mentioned will become 30 mil instead. Those ppl might have already recovered their wealth during the course of 2.0 though.

Oh BTW, just want to let you guys know that the latest additional patch in FF11 has granted each of players Mog House with 2nd floor. And add that with previously introduced private island from Adoulin expansion. lol

There's no reason at all for this, I'm just saying. lol

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

... did you just... are you arguing with yourself?

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LOL I have never seen that...on any forum..ever. WELP...first time for everything!

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings. How's it going?

YOU PEOPLE. It's always you people.

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I'm sorry I have a fundamental understanding of economics. I should just cry that the fundamental laws behind the prices should follow OF posters' notions of egalitarianism then scratch my head wondering why things are the way they are?

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

I'm sorry I have a fundamental understanding of economics. I should just cry that the fundamental laws behind the prices should follow OF posters' notions of egalitarianism then scratch my head wondering why things are the way they are?

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That's what some of the naysayers do. They want housing cheap, at the fully depreciated price that the original buyers paid, paid directly to SE and not to a profiteer, AND want plenty of it to go around without any shortage. Then they cry foul when somebody says you can't have it your way, but here are some other wasy which may help you obtain a house. No alternatives, no compromises.

Btw Verdan, I don't have a personal house anymore, I gave it to a friend who could make better use of it.
Even being homeless, knowing that I can buy another house I want down the road if I play my cards right, i.e. socialize with people, negotiate deals with people who might be willing to give up their house (Make deals? In an MMO?? Yes, that's what I do ;) ), Feels pretty good knowing that I have the option to have another house should I want one so badly because I can keep an open mind about different ways of approaching the problem..

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

There's no reason at all for this, I'm just saying. lol

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And that's a perfectly legitimate point.. SE done goofed with their non-instanced, always up 24/7 housing wards.. Let's see, 8 wards, 2 subdivisions, 3 cities. That's already 72 extra zones that SE could've done without if they implemented instanced housing.. But they didn't, to match the demand, we probably need at least triple the number of wards, so that would be 200+ zones.. That's almost the size of an entire World in a typical MMO.

I don't think we're going to see an overhaul to the housing system any time soon though, likely never.. So the only "solution" is likely to be more wards added slowly as SE upgrades their servers to accommodate the load.. Let's face the facts, at the rate we're going, it'll probably never be enough to accommodate everybody so we need automatic relinquishing, we need the ability to trade houses, we need upkeep enforced to force people to think twice about buying a house on a whim, those are probably the only way to make the house more accessible than they currently are.. But no, every time somebody suggests that, oh no all of a sudden we've hit a nerve..

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Oh sup guys who have houses and blame people who can't get houses because the plots are owned by someone else for their failings

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Btw, I'm not blaming anybody, I'm just being realistic and suggesting realistic solutions to get a house other than just sucking your thumb hoping SE will somehow magically fix all of this.. Get it through your head.. SE will NEVER fix this issue.. They're in way too deep to overhaul, and they've already stated they won't be adding new wards for a while after launch.
You're being way too optimistic.. If you want to own a house, especially on Balmung, you're going to have to buy from another player, simple as that.. OR SE may implement an auto relinquishment which will free up quite a few plots, but no you're against that too.. Basically, you want to get your house in the most unadulterated way possible, directly from SE at the price that they set.. Not gonna happen.. Not because of me, not because of player feedback, just because servers can't handle the load..

SE has already given you a pretty defeatist answer regarding this aspect.. What makes you think whining about it will fix it? This is not a matter of design principle, it's a simple matter of feasibility that comes as a result of bad design.. Can SE fix the design? I don't think they're willing to.

I'm not gonna stop trying to compile a list of servers where plots are all full out of some sort of strange sadness that makes me think that basic functionality in a game system is impossible, so I'd appreciate it if The Housing Thread Spiral was kept out of here. If all plots are gone somewhere you know of, add it. Don't come talkin' smack about how people are just too cheap to buy houses.

And brother if you think this is whining... oh boy. Do you have any idea how mad people would be in another game if this was happening?

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

... did you just... are you arguing with yourself?

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HAHAH yeah it appears I hit the wrong "reply with quote" button.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I'm not gonna stop trying to compile a list of servers where plots are all full out of some sort of strange sadness that makes me think that basic functionality in a game system is impossible, so I'd appreciate it if The Housing Thread Spiral was kept out of here. If all plots are gone somewhere you know of, add it. Don't come talkin' smack about how people are just too cheap to buy houses.

And brother if you think this is whining... oh boy. Do you have any idea how mad people would be in another game if this was happening?

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I'm not talking smack, I'm just pointing out the ONLY way there is left to buy a house right now.. and for the next 6 months at least.. Then for 2 hours, you'll be able to buy a house.. and you'll have to wait another 6 months to a year after that..

You have a right to be mad, I'm not arguing that.. SE dun goofed.. But ya know considering the circumstances, we just have to play the cards we are dealt.. and you're simply refusing to play the game because you were dealt a bad hand..

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Originally Posted by Iromi

LOL I have never seen that...on any forum..ever. WELP...first time for everything!

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I'm just like.. shocked, that for an hour.. no body noticed it..

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Originally Posted by Catwho

HAHAH yeah it appears I hit the wrong "reply with quote" button.

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Well kudos to you for being a good sport and not deleting your post! It's made a lot of people laugh! And these forums are short on laughter these days leading to the expansion.

It made ME laugh! mostly because I've been gone all day so I had no idea I'd done it.

RIP laughter.

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Originally Posted by GenJoe

But they didn't, to match the demand, we probably need at least triple the number of wards, so that would be 200+ zones.. That's almost the size of an entire World in a typical MMO.

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The most amazing thing about this, and I'm saying this judging by the MANY other quality of life improvements that could never be implemented for similar reasons, is that adding server machines to handle extra housing zones probably isn't such a big deal, they're probably holding off on adding more zones because the User Interface wouldn't be able to list them all (Memory allowance extreeeeeemely limited)

If they can't even separate buff and debuff widgets, or show both TP AND MP bars for party members because the PS3 memory will explode, how could they even THINK of listing more wards. The loops they'd have to jump through to get this working...

I'm exaggerating, of course.

I hope.

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Originally Posted by Inzoum

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oh boy.. don't even get me started on UI... Why PC players have to suffer just because consoles can't handle the same features..

As a crafter who has 8 retainers designated for mats, I'm perhap more familiar with the clunky FC chest UI than I should be.. Then there's the whole FC privilege issue, on top of the endless confirmations.. mail UI not working properly.. Seriously, just let us make addons to fix this ourselves already!!

I'm not interested with the housing. Housing in this game are super boring compared with Wildstar or WoW.
Just be a freeloader at my FC house for now.

You are not alone in being unable to buy a house. I have a thread that I will post below where I commented on it and I'm continually adding any new information as it comes. If you hear of anything, please comment on it with links to the source. Thanks! I think they are finally aware there "might be an issue" but the plans on fixing it are still unknown.

Hurra! I finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

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Originally Posted by nuyu11

I'm not interested with the housing. Housing in this game are super boring compared with Wildstar or WoW.
Just be a freeloader at my FC house for now.

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I'd love to dismiss housing after trying it. Sadly, I cannot.

So how's the housing situation on Faerie and Pheonix? I heard bad things but until I can confirm they're not going on the list.

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Originally Posted by RinKaen

? People put up pfs selling lots all the time, I don't get what you mean by "No lots". I bought a lot on gilgamesh, I had to shell out 16.5m to get it but I still got one.

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This isn't in the spirit of the game, though. SE didn't intend this to be a way for players to gouge other players out of gil.