FFXIV Villains

If there is one thing to note too, Kefka (being the most batshit out off FF villians probably) was not nearly as well recieved in Japan as he was outside it. I'm not sure if Dissidia changed that, but we probably won't be getting a major, recurring villian of his crazy again for some time.

That said, Yoshia says he likes Edda alot.

To be honest, there's something I have always hoped to see in FFXIV... And it's... either A super villain NOT MONSTER that you need to seriously raid, any of the eorzean races or something, that is not that easy to kill-exterminate like the others, and that is not a damn monster... Actually, a really badass enemy NPC...

The second thing I'd like to see is a badass rival, someone annoying, and also overpowered adventurer that you met in many times of the history and is always making more complicated the stuff for you, and you have to fight many many times...

PS: I loved Seymour in FFX, even if at the end I was screaming: "HIM?! AGAIN!?!... OH DAMN"

But, kind of missing someone like him here.


For some of us, fighting monsters all the time is not that... Entertaining, I like to find villains, NPCs worth it that doesn't necessarily have monster appeareance, if we characters are overpowered enough to defeat monsters, why there are not overpowered enough NPCs that can do so and compare their strenght to monsters or dragons?.

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

To be honest, there's something I have always hoped to see in FFXIV... And it's... either A super villain NOT MONSTER that you need to seriously raid, any of the eorzean races or something, that is not that easy to kill-exterminate like the others, and that is not a damn monster... Actually, a really badass enemy NPC...

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We had something like this in 1.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdz...ailpage#t=1003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W-FQ7amUWk
You meet him in Coil again, but he changed a bit ^^

Bunch of conversation happened while I was away, to note on Nael, and the rest of the villains I listed that exist in this universe already: I took the information from Square-Enix's lodestone "Threats" page where they are listed directly. He was a bit of a religious nut (he was trying to wipe the 'pagan' worshipers out of existence (primals and the twelve) using the lesser moon/Bahamut all in the name of the one true power (Garlean Empire). He was also the one who I was referencing that was bat shit crazy, but is dead. Livia kinda fit that vein as being bat shit crazy (daughter and possible lover of Gaius) but like all the other higher ranking bad guys in the Empire save for Nael, Nero, and Gaius; they were all short lived, and I wish they would've done more with their characters.

Maybe what I might be looking for is a villain that evokes a strong emotion....a mix of fear, respect, and hatred. Crazy characters tend to evoke those emotions because their convictions are so strong. All we have so far in XIV (current villains not dead ones) for the most part are shadow puppet type villains; pulling strings and scheming, its all very cowardly. MSQ: Lahabrea, Elidibus, Lolorito, Tataru (because everyone thinks that smile was evil at the beach! i'm joking). I should also note, Nabriales was pretty crazy but he was around for one patch, and boom died promptly. He was only used for exposition as a way to demonstrate that the WoL could kill an Ascian, which was a shame because he had the early making of an Albedo-like character if they would've developed him more.

I bet the Edda storyline got more positive results than the garleans in 2.0 lol..
They killed so many of them off so early.
But honestly they better not be like oh we r just gonna revive them later in castrum hard mode or something lol.

Huh. I always got the impression that Livia had an unrequited infatuation with Gaius, though, I suppose it's still possible being if she's his adopted daughter.

As someone has stated earlier: crazy villains tend to be rather one-note. As in "Crazy IS their note". It is quite possible to be a crazy schemer.

I guess Gaius pulled a Woody Allen

It's pretty obvious that gaius x livia wasn't a thing. I always took it as gaius being so frustrated with her screw ups he had a private talk. She was taken in as an orphan as well so they might have been more personal. But judging by her demeanor you can tell she was desperate to succeed.

It would of been nice to get more history on the villains though, we just barely have anything on nael, and we probably know the most about Nero. Interested in learning more about Garlean characters in the future. specifically their personnel reasons for their loyalty to the empire and a bit about life in the empire for it's citizens. There must be some positives to their rule? It was revealed they preserve as much culture as they can with exception to deity worship so that's something.

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Originally Posted by Virevolte

I'm kinda more a fan of having multiples encounters with a really strong opponent. Not for him to trash us all the time though. It'll be nice to have a rival, someone who's on par with you, and sometimes lose, sometimes wins.
I like it the best when they're slighly weaker, but wins anyway 'cause of a smart move or a well-devised tactic.

I'm not fond of schemers though! I kinda think we're missing a "loveable villain" in this game. Somewhat iconic and appealing, for whatever reason. Fighting faceless/masked entities is not as fun as having a identified ennemy who's going to give you hell.

Buuut... that's a plot-wise decision that I respect!
(I do think we're not focusing enough on each villain. They're dying a bit fast.)

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This x 1000. Kind of what I stated in a previous post.

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Originally Posted by Felis

We had something like this in 1.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGdz...ailpage#t=1003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W-FQ7amUWk
You meet him in Coil again, but he changed a bit ^^

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Damn... Cool... And, thanks! I didn't know all that about the background of the most nightmare b***** of the game, t9....

With reason that battle is so overpowered and so damn many meteors... Now I like it even more... It's too sad actually that we who started at 2.0 don't have those awesome backgrounds here.

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Originally Posted by Firepower

Yes, he is truly absolutely insane!

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To be fair though, Kefka wasn't always insane either. It's just that we don't see his descent into madness on screen because It mostly happens before the game even starts.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

If there is one thing to note too, Kefka (being the most batshit out off FF villians probably) was not nearly as well recieved in Japan as he was outside it.

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A lot of Kefka's popularity can be attributed to Ted Woolsey and his liberal translations. He's the same guy responsible for FF I's "I, Garland, will knock you all down!" among many others. For better or for worse, his work actually made Kefka sound a lot cooler and creepier than he did in the JP version. There, he was just kind of a villainous jester than a full-blown psychotic clown with a nihilistic agenda.

Otherwise, I think it's not really what the goal or the actions the villains do but their motivation that sets them apart.

Take for example how Vayne Solidor and Cid turned out in FFXII. Yes, they were villains who succeeded with their plans like Kefka, but the finale reveal demonstrated that they had this general ideology of man being good and were pursuing a goal to make that ideology possible. They had a good goal but went about it using the wrong means. It's a much more relate-able villain than someone who wishes just to kill everyone or make themselves God.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

Pyramid head ? Seriously ? That thing ain't even human !

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Actually it is human. Theres a secret ending in Silent Hill Homecoming where

the main character gets strapped into the chair and has a pyramid placed on his head....I think he's dead inside there

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

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The

Warriors of Darkness

seem pretty crazy, but I'm sure they'll probably turn good in the end like shiva or something then die off. Although I'm actually hoping they become long term rivals, that'd be pretty sick.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Actually it is human. Theres a secret ending in Silent Hill Homecoming where

the main character gets strapped into the chair and has a pyramid placed on his head....I think he's dead inside there

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDfirpIok10

in case you wanna see

I'm still waiting for Gaius to return.

We never found a body, we never saw him actually die, actually by super villan standards him walking away as his base explodes immediately behind him should guarantee his survival, and ultimatly Gaius was relatable to the point where you almost question being the good guy.

I'm .ore of a fan of the "Under diffrent circumstances we could have been allies" kind of villan than the "I'm gonna ow up the world! Bwahahahah!" Villans.

And yea, Livia was adopted by Gaius, she was requested to BiS quarters for a scolding after the Scions escaped (probably a "you had one job" speach) but other than fanatical devotion to him, I saw less romantic and more cultish reverence to her devotion.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Anywho, this post is asking for a bat $#!@ crazy villain that impedes us on our every move, for nothing more than the sake of harassing us or to generally be bat $#!@ crazy; so some notable examples:

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So... A poorly written villain?

I don't know about you, but I like my characters to be relatable in some way, usually by having motivations that are at least comprehensible.
If you want a game where people are evil because
a.) They just are.
b.) They're insane, therefore evil
c.) They're loyal to the clearly evil person because they weren't ALWAYS evil.
Then go play WoW. Warcraft hasn't had a well written villain since Arthas.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

So... A poorly written villain?

I don't know about you, but I like my characters to be relatable in some way, usually by having motivations that are at least comprehensible.
If you want a game where people are evil because
a.) They just are.
b.) They're insane, therefore evil
c.) They're loyal to the clearly evil person because they weren't ALWAYS evil.
Then go play WoW. Warcraft hasn't had a well written villain since Arthas.

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You'd like to relate to an a@#hole who tries to kill you and your friends? I recommend playing Dark Souls, just about everything there will potentially kill you. -_-

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

You'd like to relate to an a@#hole who tries to kill you and your friends? I recommend playing Dark Souls, just about everything there will potentially kill you. -_-

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Well, not quite.

Tony Montana was very much a villain. He did despicable things and hurt innocent people, almost purely out of his own greed and pride. And yet despite this, when seeing his downfall happen in the film, most people feel that while Tony got what he deserved, they are also a bit saddened to see him die. It's an interesting mix because many people can see part of themselves in Tony. He brought himself up and found success. His missteps and bad choices are fairly comparable to bad decisions many people may have faced or made in their life times. That's what makes him relatable.

Art, and media in general, tries to make itself relatable to convey it's message and intent to more people. FF14 has a plot mostly driven by our character, and the antagonists. Our character, almost never does things on their own, they are by design a proxy of us. The villains actually have their own motivations and reasons to act. And if they aren't relatable, it's harder to relate to the plot, as what other connections do we have?

I actually really enjoyed Dark Souls. But it's not really due to dying a lot or anything like that. Rather, the melancholy and lonely exploration combined with grim environs and intriguing setting try to relate to the player's sense of exploration and discovery. I didn't find the difficulty to be the main draw at all.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Actually it is human. Theres a secret ending in Silent Hill Homecoming where

the main character gets strapped into the chair and has a pyramid placed on his head....I think he's dead inside there

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Still refuse to accept that as canon -_-

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Still refuse to accept that as canon -_-

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This is the only canon to any Silent Hill game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJL_L5_4vso

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

This is the only canon to any Silent Hill game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJL_L5_4vso

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How did I know what this was going to be XD
(it's true though)

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

And yea, Livia was adopted by Gaius, she was requested to BiS quarters for a scolding after the Scions escaped (probably a "you had one job" speach) but other than fanatical devotion to him, I saw less romantic and more cultish reverence to her devotion.

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I questioned this a bit as I have recently gone through the main story on an alt, but couldn't remember correctly where this scene was. After going through a few youtube videos however, Gaius definitely didn't ask her to his chambers to scold her for the scions getting away as that scene happened just after fighting Garuda and before rescuing the scions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFpud37iJX8
Skipped to around 38 minutes to see the scene.

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Originally Posted by LillaoftheValley

I questioned this a bit as I have recently gone through the main story on an alt, but couldn't remember correctly where this scene was. After going through a few youtube videos however, Gaius definitely didn't ask her to his chambers to scold her for the scions getting away as that scene happened just after fighting Garuda and before rescuing the scions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFpud37iJX8
Skipped to around 38 minutes to see the scene.

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Ah that's right, It's been some time since I've run 2.x's story. I've been a bit too preoccupied with current revelations in regards to 3.1 to go back lol.

Livia is clearly his friends with benefits...not his adopted daughter rofl.