Fan Census: This is embarrassing

Remember that FFXIV is a "theme park" MMO. Some people don't like roller coasters - does that mean they shouldn't go to Six Flags? Of course not, there are plenty of other rides and things to do. My parents took me to Carowinds one year and my mother spent all day watching Star Trek On Ice while I did the coasters and my dad played pinball in the arcade. Everybody was happy.

We tried for months to get a coil static off the ground in our free company. There was never a night when at least eight of us could make it. Some people finally pressed ahead and cleared T5 without us, but only one guy (our FC leader) joined an external static and made it to T13.

I'm worried that the amount of RMT on NA/EU servers are skewing the results. Can we filter to only see the % of active players with T9 clears, that have beaten T13?

Yay I'm in the 2% for balmung!

But to be fair. Balmung population is much higher than other servers. Servers with small populations don't necessarily have more people who have cleared.

i really want to do coil but the elitism of the NA players is what stops me from even trying.

Also, with such low numbers for their "hardcore" content, why would they bother implementing more than just one end game raid per patch? People are asking for more of this content and I will point them to this and say "look, no one is even doing it!"

I also think people need to realize- looking at the numbers - that these percentages of FCoB completion don't represent everyone who does Coil - just those that beat it. However, I'd wager even taking into consideration those working on beating Coil with statics, that the average for US players would be under 10% of the player base doing Coil, 15% being generous. The 85% that log in to socialize, Gold Saucer, Choco race, Gather, craft, run dungeons or CT - those are the ones and those are the metrics SE looks at when designing content - Wildstar is a good example of what happens when people try to cater to the 'hardcore'- no company is going to focus resources on something 85% of their customers don't do. I don't think these numbers are embarrassing at all - different cultures sometimes like different things. Plus...don't forget that the majority of the players don't even read this or any other FF14 forum - as in most MMOs.

What we need is something more like the interesting structures of the first Coil, like how T1 had some exploring and a challenging mini-boss before the main fight in a non-circle arena, or how T2 had a series of mini-bosses you could kill that would affect how the main boss would act, or how T4 didn't even technically have a boss.

Things like that are what people seem to want, not this "here's some trash that won't do anything interesting or challenge you in any way, and now here's the boss in this circle or square-shaped room." We want the raids to be interesting outside of just the mechanics of the bosses themselves. Give us an optional path with a cool mini-boss we can kill for accessories or something, or a boss in a room with an interesting shape where there's a reason for the room being the shape it is, or another fight with no boss or maybe even multiple main bosses at once. Just... something more interesting.

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32 Hyperion (NA) (LEGACY) 4%

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Hurray, not last place!!!!

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

i really want to do coil but the elitism of the NA players is what stops me from even trying.

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L2P :p

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Our best server, Gilgamesh, has 848 FCOB clears.

This is embarrassing. We should be doing better than this. They play the exact same game as us and we aren't even competitive compared to them.

(To clarify, this isn't just better percentages. Follow the link above and you can see that it's also in the sheer volume of wins. We lose in every metric.)

28 Excalibur (NA) (LEGACY) 4.80%
29 Gilgamesh (NA) 4.50%

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I think its more embarrassing not really even reading your own post? Last I checked, 28 would be higher than 29 ;P

So that means Excalibur is the number 1 NA server not Gilgamesh? ;)

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Originally Posted by Rhas

I think its more embarrassing not really even reading your own post? Last I checked, 28 would be higher than 29 ;P

So that means Excalibur is the number 1 NA server not Gilgamesh? ;)

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Oops wrote the wrong one down. Fixed for accuracy. Thanks for the heads up.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

L2P :p

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That is exactly my point. I have tried a couple times but, silly me, I mention its my first time actually doing it but I've watched vids. At which point people auto ditch, call me down and no party forms. I don't even get a chance to fail at it... I'm also the only one in my FC interested in doing coil, and I cant commit to a static group with my play schedule.

And yes, I did see your :p emote.

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Originally Posted by Nikita

Who cares?

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Nailed it.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

i really want to do coil but the elitism of the NA players is what stops me from even trying.

Also, with such low numbers for their "hardcore" content, why would they bother implementing more than just one end game raid per patch? People are asking for more of this content and I will point them to this and say "look, no one is even doing it!"

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So you'd rather people get bored fast and unsub? Completion percentages doesn't reflect how many people are actually trying or working towards it.

Not to mention that the only hardcore content raiders get are 4 bosses per patch cycle and savage second coil. Nothing compared to the previous/nerfed coil, all the crafting/gathering content, all the dungeons/primals, relic line, RP/housing/marriage, golden saucer, hunts, etc. that causal players have access to. The ratio of raid to casual content in this game is arguably lower than the ratio of raiders to casual players in this game.

The average download speed in Japan is 71.97 Mbps
The average download speed in the USA is 35.16 Mbps
The average download speed in Canada is 29.83

The truth is that it's not about skill, or willingness to do said content. It's all about infrastructure. The desire to raid and ability to learn will always be trumped by the fact that NA consists of First-world nations with Third-world internet access. Latency in this game is EVERYTHING when dealing with 1-shot mechanics. Not to mention many ISPs here still think 3-5 Mbps is "good enough" and don't even offer anything faster.

I would love to have cleared fcob but I have yet to even clear scob, sitting on t9 and it is not for lack of trying.

Since relaunch, I have been invited to 6 statics and have tried to set up 3 of my own. Out of those 9 none have lasted more than 6 weeks due to people constantly showing up late or not showing up at all, not being able to handle simple mechanics and rage quitting after a couple attempts, players not getting along and tearing the group in two and people who just get bored with it and decide they don't want to do it anymore.

I am prompt, come repaired, with food and learn mechanics quickly and have 3 different jobs I keep up to snuff and it simply doesn't matter when you are dealing with other players. This is something I have heard as a prevalent reason people have not completed content. Yet even when I group up others complaining of the same reasons for not being able to complete content, the same thing happens all over again.

I am to the point of having given up on coil and not even letting myself get hyped up for Alexander.

So it could be that jp players just work better together.

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Originally Posted by Anneliese

So you'd rather people get bored fast and unsub?

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I'd rather there be content that more people can get involved in. Raids aren't the only answer to that.

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Originally Posted by Velox

The average download speed in Japan is 71.97 Mbps
The average download speed in the USA is 35.16 Mbps
The average download speed in Canada is 29.83

The truth is that it's not about skill, or willingness to do said content. It's all about infrastructure. The desire to raid and ability to learn will always be trumped by the fact that NA consists of First-world nations with Third-world internet access. Latency in this game is EVERYTHING when dealing with 1-shot mechanics. Not to mention many ISPs here still think 3-5 Mbps is "good enough" and don't even offer anything faster.

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Nope. Latency counts but it's not right to completely discount other factors like reaction time and general attitudes and cultural differences.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I'd rather there be content that more people can get involved in. Raids aren't the only answer to that.

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If such content poses little challenge, yeah more people will be involved but it won't last very long.

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Originally Posted by Anneliese

So you'd rather people get bored fast and unsub? Completion percentages doesn't reflect how many people are actually trying or working towards it.

Not to mention that the only hardcore content raiders get are 4 bosses per patch cycle and savage second coil. Nothing compared to the previous/nerfed coil, all the crafting/gathering content, all the dungeons/primals, relic line, RP/housing/marriage, golden saucer, hunts, etc. that causal players have access to. The ratio of raid to casual content in this game is arguably lower than the ratio of raiders to casual players in this game.

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You are the 2%.

I have nothing against hardcore content but 2% of the population that is completing the content will hardly hurt subs. I love this thread cause it really points out how small the vocal minority of "hardcore" players there actually are. Do you think that even doubling this content will raise that number? Doubt it. Even if it did, that 2 or 4% will still complain its not hard enough and there's nothing to do.

Also This.
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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I would love to have cleared fcob but I have yet to even clear scob, sitting on t9 and it is not for lack of trying.

Since relaunch, I have been invited to 6 statics and have tried to set up 3 of my own. Out of those 9 none have lasted more than 6 weeks due to people constantly showing up late or not showing up at all, not being able to handle simple mechanics and rage quitting after a couple attempts, players not getting along and tearing the group in two and people who just get bored with it and decide they don't want to do it anymore.

I am prompt, come repaired, with food and learn mechanics quickly and have 3 different jobs I keep up to snuff and it simply doesn't matter when you are dealing with other players. This is something I have heard as a prevalent reason people have not completed content. Yet even when I group up others complaining of the same reasons for not being able to complete content, the same thing happens all over again.

I am to the point of having given up on coil and not even letting myself get hyped up for Alexander.

So it could be that jp players just work better together.

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Originally Posted by Anneliese

If such content poses little challenge, yeah more people will be involved but it won't last very long.

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If content is tedious to go through, most people will bend over backwards not to do it again after clearing it once, or at all. As it was said, no sense expanding on content only a small handful of players get interested in...

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Originally Posted by Velox

The average download speed in Japan is 71.97 Mbps
The average download speed in the USA is 35.16 Mbps
The average download speed in Canada is 29.83

The truth is that it's not about skill, or willingness to do said content. It's all about infrastructure. The desire to raid and ability to learn will always be trumped by the fact that NA consists of First-world nations with Third-world internet access. Latency in this game is EVERYTHING when dealing with 1-shot mechanics. Not to mention many ISPs here still think 3-5 Mbps is "good enough" and don't even offer anything faster.

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Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by AreeyaJaidee

Yeah love the posts blaming this on na/EU not having the will or motivation to do coil, instead of the sheer wall of elitism and attitude nastiness that separates most players from even doing coil.

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^ This.
I wouldn't mind attempting more coil if people weren't so stupid about their attitudes. FC too small and I'm on at different times (or not at all) too often - IE, I'm on often, but the timing fluctuates to have a static. It's the ragers and immature that keep me from bothering. I'd like to complete it, I'd like to be challenged with harder content, but not at the expense of verbal abuse. That kind of environment is not conducive to wanting to do an optional task - and it just makes you perform worse when you're nervous about backlash.
Until the FC grows enough, where we can be our own flexible static, I'm probably not going to continue through the rest of the coils. I'm not playing to have nerd rage blasted in my ear.

I also don't see whats so embarrassing. Different cultures have different priorities.

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Originally Posted by Velox

The average download speed in Japan is 71.97 Mbps
The average download speed in the USA is 35.16 Mbps
The average download speed in Canada is 29.83

The truth is that it's not about skill, or willingness to do said content. It's all about infrastructure. The desire to raid and ability to learn will always be trumped by the fact that NA consists of First-world nations with Third-world internet access. Latency in this game is EVERYTHING when dealing with 1-shot mechanics. Not to mention many ISPs here still think 3-5 Mbps is "good enough" and don't even offer anything faster.

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I hope you're not serious with this response, because this isn't the problem for the majority of players. They're either just bad, or don't care for it

I think at least part of the problem has to do with the fact that to do Coil when it's current, you need to make a static. Not everyone wants to commit to playing with 7 other people multiple days a week for hours on end. Yoshida seems to think MMOs have been trending toward "more hardcore" lately, but I don't really see it. If anything, it's always been trending toward more casual, and STARTED OUT as more hardcore. I'm sure in Japan making a static is less challenging since most everyone will be on roughly the same schedule, rather than people being from different time zones and whatnot.

Here's what would make Coil more likely to get done pretty much ever:

- Should have been set up similar to how Alexander is being set up: with a Normal mode and a Hard mode, so the Normal mode could always be easier, could be made even easier if need be, so everyone can feel good about completing the story, and everyone who wanted a "real challenge" could step up to the plate on the Hard mode
- No lockout of any kind
-- Loot lockout is ridiculous. Hardcore groups already sell wins long before any of the restrictions are lifted, so clearly the loot lockout isn't preventing them from gearing up absurdly quickly. Really it just punishes people who do Coil less often and/or are worse at it, so it takes them so long to get anything it's irrelevant by the time they do. Not exactly a win/win.
-- Being limited to one clear per Turn each week is just as stupid. Once you're ready to do Coil, it's basically the only content in the game, so if you're super good at it, you've got an hour's worth of content each week. Oh boy! It would make much more sense to spam Turn 1 of any given Coil and gear up from that then move to the next one, etc. You know, real tiering, as opposed to the just beat all 4 Turns every week because of course!
-- Having to do the Turns in order is again ridiculous. What if you already have everything from Turn 1? Too bad, keep doing it! I think you should be forced to do each Turn to unlock the next, but then they should remain unlocked. Like, I don't like that when Coil goes into DF you can ignore the first 3/4 Turns and just beat the last one. You should have to do all of them. But not, you know, every week.
-- Seriously, if less than less than 10% of people are even clearing FCOB globally before it goes into solo DF, certainly the overwhelming majority of your subs aren't ever going to fall off because they get Coil gear "too quickly". You should be doing more to make it easier for people to jump into this stuff (not by making it easier - though there should be an easier and a more difficult option, like they are already doing going forward), by making it not as difficult for people logistically. Being forced to form statics to do this content at all is a huge hurdle for a lot of people, and even the people who suffer through it will regularly tell you about how this or that static blew up. It's just a lot of extra unnecessary stress, and devalues the concept of a Free Company. If you could get any random set of people from your FC and do FCOB at any given time without worrying about restrictions, I feel a lot more people would do it, do it more often, and clear it. But instead you have to worry about maintaining a relationship with a specific 7 other people that you may or may not like, possibly with disparate play times, and hope everyone keeps playing, doesn't start sucking, lose interest, start some drama, etc.
- Put it into DF right from the get. For the PF train, unless you are doing it from week 1, it's pretty unlikely you are ever going to get into any "learning" groups, so unless you formed a static, you're just not doing Coil this season. Seriously, it's so difficult for the average player to get face time on Coil before it's irrelevant just from a social perspective, forget how difficult it is or isn't.
- Pie in the sky would be more relevant content to do that's relevant at the same time, like if there was good gear from EX primals, good gear from Alexander, good gear from other content that honestly just doesn't exist so far, good gear from crafting (with materials coming from some kind of battle content similar to BCNM from FFXI or whatever) all at the current max iLVL (crafting could be slightly below thanks to materia), rather than having an hour's worth of content be the only thing you ever do ever each week.

Your average player can't even beat ANY of the Extreme primals, but we're worried the entire user base is going to slam through Coil so quick and completely gear out to the point where there's nothing left to do in the game? REALLY? AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Not a chance, Yoshida. Not a chance.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

If content is tedious to go through, most people will bend over backwards not to do it again after clearing it once, or at all. As it was said, no sense expanding on content only a small handful of players get interested in...

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Agreed, and that goes to say we arent looking to get rid of the Coil or Alexander (HM) but it would be mostly wasted resources to add more of this type of content in. There are also the EX primals that I dont think were included in these numbers. I would be willing to bet those numbers are higher. Maybe we/they should look at those numbers too and see what the difference is? Why does one succeed and nt the other? Can we replicate it and expand on it? Make it better?

Just need to ask better questions.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

it really points out how small the vocal minority of "hardcore" players there actually are.

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Hardcore players are too busy actually playing the game to come to the forums and complain about content.

If the ppl who post 10 comments per thread per day complaining about content would actually put that same effort into completing said content it would be better for the community at large. I always feel community forums are the most detrimental things to games because of the extremely vocal minority who complain more than actually play. When ppl utter the word "elitest" or "to hard" they generally loose all credibility to me. But I am an old school gamer who grew up on games that were actually difficult, much unlike many of the ones today.

Like I said in my above post, it isn't the content, its been the community making things difficult for some people, such as myself.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I always feel community forums are the most detrimental things to games because of the extremely vocal minority who complain more than actually play.

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But what if you play and are on the forum at the same time? Maybe throw a post or two up while waiting on a duty, FATE, or a hunt.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Like I said in my above post, it isn't the content, its been the community making things difficult for some people, such as myself.

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She's not judging hardcore by people complaining on the forum, she's judging it by the % who have FCOB wins. Which is still a minute percentage in the grand scheme of the game.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

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Like I said in my above post, it isn't the content, its been the community making things difficult for some people, such as myself.

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And I completely agree with you. Content is not the problem, its the community. I'm old skool as well, been playing games the better part of 32 years. I used the term "Hardcore" in quotation marks cause it is a subjective term that really needs an agreed upon definition before any meaningful conversation can be had. As for elitist, well that is a mind set that players get in to where they basically lack patience for anyone who isnt at their level of performance. I honestly couldnt even tell you if I think Coil is hard or not because I havent even had a chance to do it, not for lack of trying.

Interesting information. I honestly thought the % was a lot higher on gilgamesh because everywhere I look I see people that have cleared coil, and 99% of the people on my friends list have cleared it as well. I have a lot of people on my friends list, many who I don't remember speaking to.

My static plans on helping some people through T13 for free... I think we are pretty nice people.

Not sure how this information is shameful though. It's just a game. And as aforementioned, we have higher populations.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

You are the 2%.

I have nothing against hardcore content but 2% of the population that is completing the content will hardly hurt subs. I love this thread cause it really points out how small the vocal minority of "hardcore" players there actually are. Do you think that even doubling this content will raise that number? Doubt it. Even if it did, that 2 or 4% will still complain its not hard enough and there's nothing to do.

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Nope. 2-3% is the percentage of people that completed final coil. Like I said, that percentage does not reflect the proportion of the population that are currently progressing or trying. Furthermore, that percentage includes stuff like inactive accounts and the seemingly endless amounts of RMT accounts added to each server consistently. I'm not saying that people interested in raid are the majority but you are severely downplaying it.

Also, that 2-3% becomes 12-15% on JP servers: a significant portion of SE's target market.

Let's say for every 1 person that's cleared all of final coil, there's maybe 5 that are interested in raid and trying to progress. That number could be higher or lower but I'll just go with that arbitrary number for the sake of making a point. That makes 10-15% of the population that are working on coil. Add the 2-3% to that and you can have up to 18%: a number that probably more realistically portrays how many people are actually working on raid content. And that number is probably significantly higher on JP servers too.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

If content is tedious to go through, most people will bend over backwards not to do it again after clearing it once, or at all. As it was said, no sense expanding on content only a small handful of players get interested in...

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If it has gear upgrades, you bet people will come back.

I'm more curious as to how many completed T5 and/or T9?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

On a personal note, i have abandonned the raiding, i find it dull and not appealing. for me raiding is not the repetition of a dance that must be perfectly execute by the whole group. i do prefer to have my group tested, not on it memory but on it capacity to face a danger or adapt to the unknow like an error or a sudden lag that did make someone make a mistake. a group must'nt be good to coordinate and execute a pattern, but to adapt and play together. for me the raiding of FF14 arr is not different than a Dance dance revolution game. is not a raiding fight.... too much script and too much "instagib" capacity... it's a poor way to increase the difficulty of the game artificially.

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This covers me on Coil raiding pretty much to a "T."
Thank you Silentwindfr

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Originally Posted by Anneliese

Nope. 2-3% is the percentage of people that completed final coil. Like I said, that percentage does not reflect the proportion of the population that are currently progressing or trying. Furthermore, that percentage includes stuff like inactive accounts and the seemingly endless amounts of RMT accounts added to each server consistently. I'm not saying that people interested in raid are the majority but you are severely downplaying it.

Also, that 2-3% becomes 12-15% on JP servers: a significant portion of SE's target market.

Let's say for every 1 person that's cleared all of final coil, there's maybe 5 that are interested in raid and trying to progress. That number could be higher or lower but I'll just go with that arbitrary number for the sake of making a point. That makes 10-15% of the population that are working on coil. Add the 2-3% to that and you can have up to 18%: a number that probably more realistically portrays how many people are actually working on raid content. And that number is probably significantly higher on JP servers too.

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Then you can include me in those numbers. I've been here since 1.0 and I really want to see the story in Coil but the biggest obstacle I face is the players themselves and the unwillingness to assist someone who has not already done it. I'm in the position that If I havent done it, no one will take me with, but I cant do it until someone takes me with. I cant start a PF learning group, no one joins after several house of wasted time.

(sorry, quoting myself with the bits I felt were important)

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

I have tried a couple times but, silly me, I mention its my first time actually doing it but I've watched vids. At which point people auto ditch, call me down and no party forms. I don't even get a chance to fail at it... I'm also the only one in my FC interested in doing coil, and I cant commit to a static group with my play schedule.

that goes to say we arent looking to get rid of the Coil or Alexander (HM) but it would be mostly wasted resources to add more of this type of content in. There are also the EX primals that I dont think were included in these numbers. I would be willing to bet those numbers are higher. Maybe we/they should look at those numbers too and see what the difference is? Why does one succeed and not the other? Can we replicate it and expand on it? Make it better?

Just need to ask better questions.

I completely agree with you. Content is not the problem, its the community.

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Which brings me back to the actual point I was making before getting pulled off topic by comments that were tertiary to my main point and echo'ed by many other people here. Its the mentality of the players who do this content that is harming the content itself. I'm excited for Alexander because it will have two modes, while the second will be harder at least you can kinda practice on the normal mode. Hopefully this will set it up for more people to be interested in the hardcore endgame stuff and feel confident enough to even try.

does this account for the 6 alts I have that have not completed coil?

That's really interesting. I don't think I fully agree with their definition of 'active' players, but since it's applied equally it shouldn't skew server to server comparisons so it functions well enough for that.

The difference is rather striking. I assumed they had higher win rates but I never would have thought it was that extreme. I figure it probably does have to do with the culture more than anything. When your culture drills into your head that you are special, smart, skilled then it is harder to look at yourself 1st when somethi ng doesn't go your way. The rage quits, the elitism, but at the same time the excuses. Just look at this thread.

"in the 1950's 12% of American teens answeredyes*to the question "Are you an important person?"* In 2006, that number* jumped to over 80%".

bet you my paycheck that hasn't happened in japan. Not to say the 50s were the best years or anything, but that is something we need back. Everyone isn't a superstar and having realistic expectations helps you realize your faults and only then can you attempt to address them.

People don't think they are ever the weak link or the problem. When everyone gets trophies and gold starts for banal junk and coddled/spoiled instead of being allowed to fail, you get entire generations that can't self examine to solve their own problems. It's always blame diffusion. When you aren't allowed to fail you don't know how to acknowledge let alone accept your own failures. Toss that generation behind an anonymity wall and make them work together? Rofl welcome to 'modern' online gaming. It's pathetic when you really look at it.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I'm more curious as to how many completed T5 and/or T9?

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Impossible to tell unless you're SE as achievements aren't public on the lodestone unless you log in and change the settings yourself, even the method the blog used to determine if people have cleared T13 isn't all that great since it requires people to have gone out to that weird guy in Old Grid to get a minion. Compared to the 300k who've beaten the 2.5 story I don't see 36k people beating the difficult side story boss Bahamut to be all that low and with many more still working their way through FCoB I'm sure the number will go a lot higher as we get closer to the expansion.

i did do pharos when it was release. it was hard, not because it was challenging, but because the content was not adapted to the playerbase, most of the player was already in i80-90 when the dungeon was tuned for people in i60 with trigger on the boss based on the hp. sadly the dps output was too strong and was making pain simply to pass the first boss. litterally before the correction, the tank i90 was enough for kill the boss and spawn the add without the help the dps.

i want to say something about this too, have a challenging content is nice, but do it for junk will simply make people avoid it. we are human, we want shinies, it's a given that what drive most player in mmorpg. i'm not naive to the point to believe that challenge is enough for interest player.
adding a content for 4 player challenging that will give reward not fit of the challenge is worst than not adding it. i still remember Yoshida explaining why the change about the gear from Token after the mytho, because the raider had not reason to do raid since it was possible to get the same loot from the token.

some say it's a theme park mmorpg, yeah, that true, but even in a theme park you don't have only one exciting attraction. the more, the better! i feel it's possible to add content challenge and rewarding for 4 player that will have not a bad impact on the raiding community. because soo far, let's say 20% of the playerbase is really interesting into the raid. what the other have as endgame content? golden saucer? chocobo race? they are not endgame content! they are secondary activity. we need more endgame content and i'm not saying more raid, but more different content for 4 player.

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Originally Posted by Tyrn

it requires people to have gone out to that weird guy in Old Grid to get a minion

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Really? Well damn. I haven't bothered to get it because I don't care about minions. Lol

One thing that needs to be considered here in addition to all that has been said:
JP servers (and players in that country) ONE time zone
NA servers: the rest

This is not the say that NA players are not on JP servers. We all know that there are, but the majority of the player base for the JP are in the same time zone. That really helps.