Land Needs Are Unmet on Balmung

If they can't add enough houses to satisfy demand because their servers will light on fire, okay.

If they won't add enough houses to satisfy demand because they want to make that a system to balance out server loads/add something limited to the game then F that because that's poor design. It's not easy to transfer servers, so that is not how you balance populations. This is a flawed reason to restrict housing, and has created a broken system.

Personal housing broke the system.

Because it wasn't meant to be mixed up with FC housing, but they rushed its release for whatever reason they had in mind.

If housing wards were still restricted to FCs, we wouldn't have that shortage issue.

I personally think they should go for a housing subscription fee.

$2 more a month for a small
$5 more a month for a medium'
$10 more a month for a large

it would provide SE with an incentive to make more housing servers, and keep housing feeling "wanted"

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Originally Posted by tocsin

I personally think they should go for a housing subscription fee.

$2 more a month for a small
$5 more a month for a medium'
$10 more a month for a large

it would provide SE with an incentive to make more housing servers, and keep housing feeling "wanted"

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That has to be the worst idea I've heard so far. :/ How do you even manage that with a FC house?

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Originally Posted by tocsin

I personally think they should go for a housing subscription fee.

$2 more a month for a small
$5 more a month for a medium'
$10 more a month for a large

it would provide SE with an incentive to make more housing servers, and keep housing feeling "wanted"

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Which would completely screw over anyone that can't use creditcards to subscribe.

While I did originally choose Balmung for my Legacy account, I actually left because of the overcrowding. That being said, the analogy I am seeing here is quite ironic.

New players see Balmung locked out because of overcrowding. Player bypasses lockout by doing a server tranfer to "force" themselves into an overcrowded server. Player then proceeds to complain about the lack of resources due to overcrowding and blame SE. Irony.

"I just parachuted into the city even though it's been locked up tight and there's too many people. Wait. Why can't i find a place to live? This is the city's fault!"

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Originally Posted by Kumabear76

While I did originally choose Balmung for my Legacy account, I actually left because of the overcrowding. That being said, the analogy I am seeing here is quite ironic.

New players see Balmung locked out because of overcrowding. Player bypasses lockout by doing a server tranfer to "force" themselves into an overcrowded server. Player then proceeds to complain about the lack of resources due to overcrowding and blame SE. Irony.

"I just parachuted into the city even though it's been locked up tight and there's too many people. Wait. Why can't i find a place to live? This is the city's fault!"

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And how exactly did you come to the conclusion that everyone who's "complaining" are new players that forced themselves onto the server? Been on Balmung since early access, and I've only recently started juggling with the thought of having my own FC with a few of my friends. The idea of having one house to share with them is more interesting to me than that of having one for myself alone.


Also, and this is to most nayers on this thread; Don't bother giving me (or anyone else) advice on what we should do instead. Or telling us we "should have made that decision faster". I think we've seen plenty of that in this thread now to know that it won't change people's minds.

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Originally Posted by Zelas

And how exactly did you come to the conclusion that everyone who's "complaining" are new players that forced themselves onto the server?

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I didn't. In fact, not once did I even insinuate that. I stated an irony. You assumed I meant everyone. Read what is actually said instead of what you think I said.

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Originally Posted by Zelas

That has to be the worst idea I've heard so far. :/ How do you even manage that with a FC house?

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Either the FC leader would have to take it on, or they could set up a group pay system, perhaps through the mogstation. players from the fc, can then donate, even as little as a couple cents, towards the house. it would build community.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Which would completely screw over anyone that can't use creditcards to subscribe.

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No more than the cash shop and the retainer services are already doing so. Housing should be a lot like retainers; you are paying additional, for additional server space.

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Originally Posted by Zelas

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What's wrong with sharing ideas? That's what the forum is all about
What's wrong with buying a shell of an FC with a house? I mean sure, you can't rename it.. YET.. but if anything, that may be implemented in the future, or if houses can be traded in the future (which I think is already planned<?>) you can always swap it to your original FC..

Short of moving servers, that really may be your only option.

I bought a rank 8 FC with medium house for 4m gil. Of course, the circumstances were a little different but it happens(I mainly use it for gardening).. You can always change the tag, and everything else about the FC.. Except the actual name. It's not a bad place to start.

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Originally Posted by Twinbros

regardless of what the bitter bitches from the lower populated servers think as this has nothing to do with them so they can STFU and take a seat.

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Best argument for Balmung yet, in my opinion. No really. :P

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

What's wrong with sharing ideas? That's what the forum is all about
What's wrong with buying a shell of an FC with a house? I mean sure, you can't rename it.. YET.. but if anything, that may be implemented in the future, or if houses can be traded in the future (which I think is already planned<?>) you can always swap it to your original FC..

Short of moving servers, that really may be your only option.

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The only problem with this method of selling houses is if you are part of a FC already and wish to stay that way. I suppose you can make an alt to buy the FC and own the house, but I personally find that unappealing. It depends on the person buying.

They really need a way to either sell your house to another player or sell it back to the system for a reduced rate. I'm sure there are at least a few people holding onto houses they don't necessarily need or want any more because they don't want to go through the hassle that is the current method of selling but also don't want to lose the gil they invested.

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Originally Posted by Kumabear76

While I did originally choose Balmung for my Legacy account, I actually left because of the overcrowding. That being said, the analogy I am seeing here is quite ironic.

New players see Balmung locked out because of overcrowding. Player bypasses lockout by doing a server tranfer to "force" themselves into an overcrowded server. Player then proceeds to complain about the lack of resources due to overcrowding and blame SE. Irony.

"I just parachuted into the city even though it's been locked up tight and there's too many people. Wait. Why can't i find a place to live? This is the city's fault!"

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I love how you make such wonderful assumptions about people who can't buy houses because of a shortcoming in the system. Stop blaming individuals for systemic failures. It'll happen to your server too one day if they don't add more space.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I love how you make such wonderful assumptions about people who can't buy houses because of a shortcoming in the system. Stop blaming individuals for systemic failures. It'll happen to your server too one day if they don't add more space.

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I love how me posting an observation on how most of these threads start up suddenly becomes me making assumptions and blame.

No sir, I do not blame anyone. I do, however, mock those who do force themselves into a crowded server and complain of how crowded it is.

Dawg you're the one who went to a thread about "there's LITERALLY no house plots on Balmung" to post "Heh. Funny how people who pushed their way onto a server are upset at how crowded it is" and expected anything other than justified derision. I mean for real. Your post, if not calling to task those who can't get a house, is worse than useless. It's worthless moralizing over videogame decisions like there's some sort of ethical failing of being on a server, with no connection to the topic being discussed.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

I love how you make such wonderful assumptions about people who can't buy houses because of a shortcoming in the system. Stop blaming individuals for systemic failures. It'll happen to your server too one day if they don't add more space.

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Hmm. Well if the popular opinion is that joining full legacy servers or not leaving a full legacy server is the way to go; then that seems unlikely to happen. Since many people prefer playing on such servers, the smaller servers' housing plots fill up at a much smaller rate.

Oh, I get it now.

So low pop guys are threatened by people moving to high pop servers, since that could spell the death spiral of several places and no one wants that to happen to their home. Limited housing is thus seen as a positive, a thing to keep transfers flowing in both directions instead of only one. While I guess I can understand, that is a spiteful way to see things. Maintaining a system that can lock people out of houses and create terrible economic messes because you think it'll have people go to a small server is pretty... well, shitty of you. The way to make smaller servers more populated would be to ease restrictions of transfer to them, not to make life so shitty on bigger servers that people overcome paying for a transfer and either losing their fortune or paying more for alt transfers too.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

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No.. it's not out of spite that I don't wish for another addition of wards/plots.. Rather, I wish for housing the be in limited supply so that it's sought after..

But having reflected on the current state of the game and how the gil flows... I think I recant my opinions and perhaps SE should just open up wards.. But somehow make the houses bigger with a bigger price tag, or something..


I realized that the game has nothing to spend your money on.. It's got me thinking, maybe there's no flow of gil from players because of the lack of gil sink the game has.. What better way to make people open up their wallets than to buy housing.

In fact, the FC airship is pretty much the only thing keeping me in the MB right now..
I would fully stand behind the fc airship costing as much as 100million gil... just so the gil hoarders will finally have something to use their damn money on.

Before then, perhaps houses can get the job done.

The problem with Gil Sinks being on access to things means that it locks anyone who isn't a Madman out of stuff, which is probably an even worse fate than server economic inflation. It should be on upgrades and fancy stuff after you have things, while the bar to get in is low. With houses being restricted, it means that if stuff is full demand builds, too; if they added a couple districts to Balmug even the smallest house on the worst plot will be bid up fast. Only if they open it all up and let people just buy their hearts out would there be no economic nightmares.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

No.. it's not out of spite that I don't wish for another addition of wards/plots.. Rather, I wish for housing the be in limited supply so that it's sought after..

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Why? I know you've changed your opinion, but this position honestly baffles me, and I'd really like to understand. What was your reason for wanting housing to be sought after?

Personally, I don't think it counts as 'sought after' if there's no legitimate way to sell a house. There's no seeking involved - there's just those who got there first, and those who are SOL. Maybe you were hoping for an actual market where housing was a commodity between players?

(I hope this doesn't come across as snarky. I'm genuinely curious.)

If we are going to constantly bring up real life examples, perhaps it should be noted that in real life cities, when demand for housing goes up, new housing is created- especially if people are willing to spend millions on it. Versus low pop servers/low pop towns, which wouldn't.

Even the most difficult cities in the world to get a home in you can still get a house in, and at a considerably more reasonable price than anything you'll see in game, even if not at a reasonable price- you can still get a home in London, Tokyo, New York.

Not that real life housing should be comparable or the logic behind it- but if we are going to go that route, at least keep some perspective.

I also have to wonder how 'you have to choose between playing with friends or having a home' even begins to make sense to anyone as an argument.

Fact is, this is a game- and putting something that should be accessible and a popular feature behind the gate of being extremely finite and either snatched by legacy players or ultra wealthy- makes no sense.

It is also the only thing that is handled this way. Would be like saying 'if you haven't raided from day one, tough luck, you can never use the feature'. Of course, that sounds absolutely absurd- because it is.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

It is also the only thing that is handled this way. Would be like saying 'if you haven't raided from day one, tough luck, you can never use the feature'. Of course, that sounds absolutely absurd- because it is.

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Actually, although there is a difference between needs in balmung and janova, there is an important parallel here. A LOT of players here cant raid, not because of lack of interest, but because lack of ability to find a valid group with their desired hours, who are willing to complete old content (BcoB, ScoB). I had an fc mate, who had to spend almost 3 months searching for a static to help them get to end-game content. They ended up paying for a carry through t5 and t9, just so they could join the FcoB group.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

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I just like the idea of first come first serve.
I own a house on Goblet plot #1.
When I was looking to buy houses, and saw that plot, I loved its location and I noticed it was the only #1 plot left in the main division. I literally stayed online for about 4 hours straight after that scrapping together every little gil I had and selling everything I could.. then I realized I wasn't promoted with my GC enough, so I stayed on well past my usual bed time and went through 3 dungeons to get promoted.. It was a lot of work. Oh and funny thing, as I was running to buy my house, I saw 2 guys come up to me and after I purchased the plot and said to me they were saving up for the same plot.. Call me sick, but that felt good.. Not because I drove them out of getting their house, but simply knowing that the house I worked so hard for was coveted by multiple people and not only me.

Then when I was buying our FC mansion, we scrapped together all the gil we had together, we came up about 8 milion short. Then I heard an old FC mate of mine mention that his FC is also on the verge of buying a mansion and it happened to be that we were both after the same plot.. (I asked him what plot they've been looking at.. Lavender Beds Ward 7 Plot 28..) The last mansion plot in the main divisions on the server.. Both our FCs were rank 5 at that point and we needed to come up with 8 million gil. My friend and I stayed up til 8 in the morning leveling up the FC and I ended up selling about 3/4 of all my stuff at 30-40% discount to come up with the 8 million.. I actually borrowed the last 1 million. But the point is.. This was really fun and memorable, we still talk about the rush to get the house from time to time as one of the more memorable experiences..


I'm not saying that I spite people because I had to work for it, but if the houses aren't limited, there wouldn't be that kind of a mad rush/effort to get it and I think houses being what they are, should be a very memorable purchase.. Not just something you happen to progress into.


P.S. I guess it's the validation in knowing that you have what other people want, but not everyone can have.. kinda like the end-game loots, or insanely expensive piece of glamour gear etc.

There are many solutions to low raider turn out that MMOs have come up with- cross server queues, small server mergers, cutting back on prereq requirements, putting raid ready gear within reach of new players rather than forcing you to gear through prior raids, etc... I don't know FFXIV raids, but if there is something that locks out new players from even getting a chance to raid, then I wouldn't consider that reason to prevent people on high pop servers from ever getting housing- but reasoning to rethink how raid progression is done.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

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Okay, thank you for explaining. I guess I can see why you would feel that way.

Still completely disagree with you (I want everyone to be able to have fun with housing the way that I am, so there's no way we can reconcile our two different viewpoints), but at least I understand where you're coming from.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

If we are going to constantly bring up real life examples, perhaps it should be noted that in real life cities, when demand for housing goes up, new housing is created- especially if people are willing to spend millions on it. Versus low pop servers/low pop towns, which wouldn't.

Even the most difficult cities in the world to get a home in you can still get a house in, and at a considerably more reasonable price than anything you'll see in game, even if not at a reasonable price- you can still get a home in London, Tokyo, New York.

Not that real life housing should be comparable or the logic behind it- but if we are going to go that route, at least keep some perspective.

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Is that so? The world consists of more then the ''1th world'', you know.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

at a considerably more reasonable price than anything you'll see in game, even if not at a reasonable price- you can still get a home in London, Tokyo, New York.

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A week of 3 of hard work can get me a mansion in ffxiv. Now a mansion actually has a pretty comparable price to a normal small sized house, if I were to use a gil = yen -> euro conversion (lol) I can make gil out of literally anything in the game, whereas euros can be obtained nearly only via a job. A job with a very likely fixed amount of euro income.It takes years to be able to afford a house..and that's just via morgage.
Now, getting a house in say London, Tokyo, or New York (one that isnt completely run down) will be even more expensive.


Not sure how this is more reasonable then the houses that are in FFXIV...?

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

Not that real life housing should be comparable or the logic behind it- but if we are going to go that route, at least keep some perspective.

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Your words, not mine. But I find them most fitting.

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Originally Posted by ElciaDeiLinus

There are many solutions to low raider turn out that MMOs have come up with- cross server queues, small server mergers, cutting back on prereq requirements, putting raid ready gear within reach of new players rather than forcing you to gear through prior raids, etc... I don't know FFXIV raids, but if there is something that locks out new players from even getting a chance to raid, then I wouldn't consider that reason to prevent people on high pop servers from ever getting housing- but reasoning to rethink how raid progression is done.

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You misunderstand the parallel, I think. The reason for having a hard(er) time to find raiding groups is because our servers are much smaller and have a lot less people. Something I imagine is not an issue on a larger server like Balmung.
Remember that being on a larger server does have its merits, and not just disadvantages.

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

I'm not saying that I spite people because I had to work for it, but if the houses aren't limited, there wouldn't be that kind of a mad rush/effort to get it and I think houses being what they are, should be a very memorable purchase.. Not just something you happen to progress into.


P.S. I guess it's the validation in knowing that you have what other people want, but not everyone can have.. kinda like the end-game loots, or insanely expensive piece of glamour gear etc.

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Finally bought my house plot yesterday. Was so excited about it that I rushed to get it and didn't first save up the extra 3m to buy the permit.
Somehow I feel richer after I bought the house even tho I only had like 130k gil left..and a plot without a house on it. :P

First off:

Yes, it is not right how the whole 'housing thing' was handled. Simply put, if enough time/energy is put into it by the players, they should be able to purchase a house. Especially a FC house considering that already, but especially from 3.0 onward, there is content in game that will only be doable via owning a house. (currently raising chocobo level caps/dying them and gardening...but in the future, anything airship related as well).

So yes, SE needs to do something to address the 'homeless' population. But simply adding more housing wards alone isn't going to solve anything....in part because the amount of homes needed is 1. very varied across different worlds (not sure WHY we all need wards added even if our world isn't in need but it is obviously how they've coded it for now), and 2. The amount of housing they'd need to add to both address the FC needs and personal needs on many worlds is well..alot.

Things I think they could do to help:
1. Offer a way to transfer (as an individual/group or FC) from 'high pop' servers to low pop servers....for free.
2. Come up with a fair way to 'repossess' abandoned FC and personal housing. I know there are people that for real life reasons, cannot log in for a month or so here an there...so it shouldn't be directly 'log in' based, but either allow us a sub option that maintains our house even if we otherwise aren't playing (like you pay $1/month you are inactive to maintain your plot vs. having to pay the sub fee). And/or only make this rule go in effect if every single house is purchased on your server. It would also be nice (albeit likely impossible code-wise), that if your home WAS 'FFXIV foreclosed on' that you got back a portion of the gil spent. (this would help people feel less butt-hurt about it if they came back to the game and found their house gone). There already is a feature in place that returns your items to you if you are force-evicted (ala the FC rooms retainer guy)
3. Only allow one house purchase per FFXIV account/world (2 if you happen to also run a FC 1=FC house 1=personal). Right now, there are folk who via their alts, own multiple homes. It would be nice if SE no longer allowed players to purchase multiple homes but instead, allowed you to access your home with ALL characters you have on that server. So you could do things with your alts in your 1 house.
4. Allow us to share homes with 'in game spouses' and/or friends. If people could share homes, and share full access, there would be less desire for individuals to own their own homes.


PS: even on my world, most homes are sold out. So while the problem is most assuredly magnified on the 'high pop' servers, it is happening on lower-pop worlds as well

PPS: I transfered to Exodus after living on Excalibur for over a year. So while I don't currently live on a high pop world anymore, I have felt your pain.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

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I completely agree with 3 and 4.

Since it seems like SE is committed to shoehorning personal housing in with FC housing, I really wish we could share houses. My SO and friend would love to pool money together for a house, but it would be pointless since only one person would have the power to do anything with it.

Make it so 3-4 people can share a personal house or something, but at least give us SOMETHING. My SO and I will soon be eternally bonded, yet we can't even play house together, effectively.

I also hate that the people who have tens of millions in disposable gil, and pretty much control the crafting markets can now control the housing market, if they choose to. It's an unfair system that locks everyone but the most wealthy out of the content.

I'd also like to add that events keep rewarding housing items, yet the majority of the players can't even use the system. What's the deal, SE?

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Originally Posted by Brynne

Okay, thank you for explaining. I guess I can see why you would feel that way.

Still completely disagree with you (I want everyone to be able to have fun with housing the way that I am, so there's no way we can reconcile our two different viewpoints), but at least I understand where you're coming from.

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Oh, I understand the gap.. I primarily play MMOs in which housing is not even a big thing or non-existent. I played Age of Conan when the forts were being introduced, but it was largely just for pvp. I did play Wildstar, but never decorated my house.. My house in this game is also not decorated at all and my garrison in WoW is well.. it's just for sending out my slaves on missions :)
To me it's all about the functionality, I don't particularly enjoy the decorating game and with or without a house, I don't think I'd feel like I was missing out on much.

Housing is basically a trophy for me in this game, hence my general attitude about the concept.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

4. Allow us to share homes with 'in game spouses' and/or friends. If people could share homes, and share full access, there would be less desire for individuals to own their own homes.

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And I completely support this.. What's funny is that it's in the "proposed" plans.. SE seems to roll out concepts before they're finalized, they're either incompetent or severely understaffed.. so many times I see suggestions being made and most of the good ideas are already to be implemented in the future but WHEN???
House sharing among friends would alleviate a lot of the stress on the housing market.. instead of buying cottages for each person, I would've just bought a medium sized or a mansion to share among all my FC mates / friends, it would free up a lot of housing plots.

Or just auto generate districts so everyone can get a house. This doesn't have to be complicated.

A concept to keep in mind: Maybe everyone should have equal access to all parts of the game? Sound cool? Is that OK for you small server guys?

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Or just auto generate districts so everyone can get a house. This doesn't have to be complicated.

A concept to keep in mind: Maybe everyone should have equal access to all parts of the game? Sound cool? Is that OK for you small server guys?

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No, thats really NOT okay to me.

If I invest more hours of my life into this game, why should I only be entitled to the same rewards you are? thats some communism level stuff right there.

If you want it, maybe you need to work harder/ bite the bullet and take that day off from work so you can get a plot. invest in it. Oherwise, what is the value in it, and if SE isnt giving us something to value, then why are we putting our time/money into it?

I like how housing is currently handled.

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Or just auto generate districts so everyone can get a house. This doesn't have to be complicated.

A concept to keep in mind: Maybe everyone should have equal access to all parts of the game? Sound cool? Is that OK for you small server guys?

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1. They explained why they can't/won't just 'auto generate' more wards once wards fill up.

2. They really should consider creating different ratios of small>med>large homes per ward as well. As lets be real, if 2-3 wards on some worlds ONLY had smalls in them, that would also help some of the congestion (smalls are the most coveted homes overall on high-cap worlds)

3. This isn't a 'small pop' vs. 'large pop' thing. I get that sometimes the 'well you could just transfer to a low-pop world' argument is made (and it IS a valid argument if you are only after housing), but it's also not practical for many people/FC's. Simply put, yes, SE made a broken from launch system. But it is what it is now. So short of SE offering incentives to spread out populations across all worlds, putting stop-gaps on how many homes a single player can own per account and figuring out a way to add more wards w/o stressing their servers this is going to be a continual problem. Also, as I said in an earlier post, at least on my world, there's not many plots left either...so this isn't even just a 'large world' problem.

4. Even the fact that personal housing is mixed in with FC housing was a major oversight on SE's part. THAT alone is creating much of the issue. Player housing should have been instanced and/or in entire separate zones. But again....it's a little late for SE to turn that bus around. The only thing they could really do moving forward is to create new wards/zones that are dedicated 'FC only' or 'Personal' only. But it is beyond stupid on SE's part to have 'FC housing based large scale content ala airships' coming in 3.0 and still no real solutions on the home front for many FCs.

5.The amount of demand on servers is just too high for the current method to serve all. And I don't have any idea why SE couldn't see that. Now to be fair, I really and truly think that SE expected the average FC to consist of 100+ members....and well, at least on NA database servers, I think the average membership is closer to 20-30. That too is creating a huge strain on the housing population. But this too, is SE's fault for not introducing any content so far over the past 1.5 years that requires more than a dedicated 8-man team. Basically, the lack of large scale group content means you don't NEED a FC...or at least a large one. Since small FC's function just fine, many opt to be in small FC's (I myself am in one). Well being in a Small FC is nice, but it also means, there are more FC's looking for a plot to call their own, and well that eats up more server.

Basically in mathy terms if we take 1000 players, and organize them in FC's of 20 (which is likely close to active FC size now on NA servers) you need about 50 plots to house them all (or about 1.66 wards). But if you go with what was likely SE's vision of a FC (it being made of 100+ people), you only need about 10 plots to house them all...that's only 1/3 of a ward.

So another, round about way SE could in theory 'fix' housing is to start introducing dynamis-like/large scale content where it makes logical sense to WANT to group with the same people each week in large alliance-based (FC) content. This could encourage FC mergers etc. (which would mean some FC's would desolve/recruit and open up more housing/welcome more people into their home) Buuut...I just don't see it happening.

So I am coming into this game just now. We are going to Balmug as that is where our friends are.

If Square does not build anymore wards or hosing plots that is just wrong.

In real life, towns do not just fill up and never create new subdivisions. I just purchased a house in a bran d new subdivision. There are 3 more brand new one's being built in besides mine. (Mine was completed in 11 months).

I see no reason why Square can not just create more plots and new subdivisions for us new players. When me and the wife quit there was no housing.

We came back because of the ninja class, golden saucer, the ability for us to be married, and housing.

I just purchased a house IRL. Our city never gets full and just stops creating subdivisions. That way of thinking is wrong. When all subdivisions fill, the house builders make new ones. Square should do this for Balmug as well as anywhere else that has some hugely high homeless rate.

To sit there and say that if you were not here in the beginning you are screwed in getting a house, is like saying to raiders that if you were not here in the beginning you cant and never will be able to raid.

Square needs to address this issue.

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Originally Posted by Madjames

So I am coming into this game just now. We are going to Balmug as that is where our friends are.

If Square does not build anymore wards or hosing plots that is just wrong.

In real life, towns do not just fill up and never create new subdivisions. I just purchased a house in a bran d new subdivision. There are 3 more brand new one's being built in besides mine. (Mine was completed in 11 months).

I see no reason why Square can not just create more plots and new subdivisions for us new players. When me and the wife quit there was no housing.

We came back because of the ninja class, golden saucer, the ability for us to be married, and housing.

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New players are recommended to join a lower population server in the character creation/server select screen.
In fact considering that the higher population servers tend to be locked most of the time; you can't blame SE for player behaviour.


As far as your RL metaphore is concerned: new subdivisions are rarely if ever build in cities that are already filled to the brim. Where would they build them? There's just no space.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

No, thats really NOT okay to me.

If I invest more hours of my life into this game, why should I only be entitled to the same rewards you are? thats some communism level stuff right there.

If you want it, maybe you need to work harder/ bite the bullet and take that day off from work so you can get a plot. invest in it. Oherwise, what is the value in it, and if SE isnt giving us something to value, then why are we putting our time/money into it?

I like how housing is currently handled.

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Maybe SE should downsize all servers, leading to long login queues. That way, those who bite the bullet and get up early / stay up late can log in, while the others can't. Wouldn't that be awesome? Why should people who aren't ready to dedicate their life and schedule to the game get to play at all, right?

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Maybe SE should downsize all servers, leading to long login queues.

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They really should, I hate how laggy big cities get :(

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Originally Posted by Verdan

Or just auto generate districts so everyone can get a house. This doesn't have to be complicated.

A concept to keep in mind: Maybe everyone should have equal access to all parts of the game? Sound cool? Is that OK for you small server guys?

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Housing as they said was never meant for everyone, you either had the money to buy one by now or you didn't, next time prepare for the future, 8 months was more than enough time imo.

If they increase housing on high population servers; then to be fair they would have to decrease housing on low pop servers; similarly if a high pop server's population changes then the number of houses would be reduced; so how do you pick who relinquishes their land. Why would they do it this way? Because that's how housing price is determined http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Personal_Housing; Point being, you're not getting special treatment simply because your server has a higher population; this game was never about fair or having the same content. China server doesn't have golden saucer, we don't have the panda minion. PS3/PS4/PC players all have different perks (minions, exp increase gear, etc).

If you want it, transfer to lower pop server, buy it on time when next housing expansion hits, etc.

EDIT: I am MORE disappointment with the lack of customization and the size of plots, than the number of plots available. Example: it should not take 4 partitions to create 1 wall, we should be able to edit the length, width and height of a partition, same with other housing objectss.

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Maybe SE should downsize all servers, leading to long login queues. That way, those who bite the bullet and get up early / stay up late can log in, while the others can't. Wouldn't that be awesome? Why should people who aren't ready to dedicate their life and schedule to the game get to play at all, right?

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If it meant the people on getting some sort of extra benefit, like a lower cost or better ping qualities, then yeah, all for that.

it would definitely increase the value of play time, so that people aren't being quite so lazy while they are on. maybe less people will just sit around in MD, wasting time chatting, and spend more time actually doing things.