Vent - Dungeon run today.

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Originally Posted by DoubleD

Whats the difference in needing for glamour or needing for GC Seals / Desynth?

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Arguably, there is some difference. Grand company seals and desynthesis can yield materials necessary for upgrades to currently existing equipment, like the relic quests, but I personally believe it's a sort of fine line. Other people need access to that gear for the same reason, even if it's not their class. But, as I said, it's not an immediate statistical upgrade, so you don't NEED it, in so far that getting that piece of gear will benefit anyone around you. But that's just how I look at it. Other people see it differently and that's okay. I'm always amazed by the intolerance for differing opinions.

Hilarious looking at people on forums trying to defend the NIN.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You're entitled to your opinion but no it's not RUDE to roll on an item for glamour. I do it all the time. I have every bit as much right as anyone to a particular piece of gear. It's rude to expect people to pass because you feel you are more entitled to it.

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Accusing other people of entitlement and saying I said gear should be passed is completely ignorant of my statement. I didn't say anything about passing or that I am somehow entitled to the gear. But your general statement could easily be construed as the very thing you seem so set against.

If i can need, i need. If my option is to greed, i greed. Every time. The fairness is handled by rng deciding to drop something that i can need on instead of them. There's nothing rude or unfair about playing and acquiring loot within the game's parameters.

The way recent grinds have been going, I've had a perpetual need for GC seals. lol
A bunch for bombard cores for relic, a bunch to expedite moonstone collecting, a bunch for certain mats, and whatever's left is for ventures.

I need/greed every time unless a person in the party is lower geared than the dungeon's drop and specifically asks for job specific loot.

Shouldn't have been a Dbag. Most likely you don't need the Healer gear or you could have said something like "Sorry I also need healer gear".


I don't mind passing on gear, I don't need those GC seals that bad. Guess some people are just hard up for stuff. But the NIN shouldn't have been a Dbag as well by not doing his job.

The problem with being nice and rolling greed even though you can roll need is that not everyone is courteous enough to do it.

Why need to request when you can earn it by yourself?

Some of the responses make me feel like OP should have been /sulk-ing while saying oh I apologize so much but I need that gear.
There was absolutely nothing wrong or rude about OP's response. I'd have reported the ninja for harrassment really. I can't believe some people are blaming OP over this :/

I can understand if people want to criticize OP for his word usage, because in every situation there is always a feeling you can say it better by X way.

Or usually fights break out because of a communication error.

But the fact is since the NIN went on a baby-rage mode. Wouldn't help the PT on the boss. Holding not only the tank "hostage," but the other two as well who probably agreed. But apparently the nin didn't ask them so again - They HAD to be his FRIENDS.

In short, while communication was a lacking entity here.

NIN is at fault for not being able to find one more person to add to his douche-baggery PT group-make up.

If nin wanted gear so badly that he would throw a tantrum....

Then NIN should go with a FULL Group. Not with 2 other people to help him be a douche. A Full Group.

Then may all his magical wishes come true.

its one thing if they are after a specific piece of gear, but to just let someone walk with all of a certain type is rediculous. Also, they better say it before the run starts, not when it pops in the treasure box. Im in there to get seals, not to provide someone who isnt in my FC or likely my server with free stuff.

If you dont wanna talk with randoms and/or dont want to be "mean"
I just go to autotranslate menu and choose "I cannot speak your language" ;o

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

If you dont wanna talk with randoms and/or dont want to be "mean"
I just go to autotranslate menu and choose "I cannot speak your language" ;o

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Nice advice, I will use it nicely :p

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Originally Posted by Chihaya

Hilarious looking at people on forums trying to defend the NIN.

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I find it hilarious too :D

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Originally Posted by Soonkyu

Glamour, seals, and any other function should be greed. In my *opinion* anything else is simple selfishness or a sense of entitlement in a game where gearing other classes is made difficult even though one of the hallmarks is being able to play all classes on one character.

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Tell that to the 80k seals you need for each relic quest and the 80k seals you need for each Lucis tool.

And... gearing other classes is difficult? Did I miss a memo somewhere or something? ._.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Shouldn't have been a Dbag. Most likely you don't need the Healer gear or you could have said something like "Sorry I also need healer gear".

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Pretty sure throwing a tantrum over being told 'no' makes you more of a dbag than saying 'no' ever could.

The ninja was a douche, I reckon the other two players were probaly either mates of him/her or they were idiots for not accepting the vote kick. If I were you, I would have been gratefull for that kick.

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Originally Posted by Arkanethered

Asking others to pass is rude. You want healer gear? Take the job in or que with friends.

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Lol that's not rude. It's rude if you say it like an a-hole, but to just ask if anyone wouldn't mind passing on specific gear isn't rude. It's within your right to say no, but if I don't need a piece (for vanity or for upgrades) why wouldn't I let someone else have it regardless of what role they are? I'll pass on the 1000 seals if it will help someone out to get some gear they're farming.

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Originally Posted by Eye_Gore

They did not say the magic word.

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Abracadabra? :P

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

This would have been a better reply than "no i'm not passing on anything"

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The reason is irrelevant. It could be just because he wants GC seals, glamor, his side class, etc and that's all perfectly valid. He doesn't in any way have to justify why he wants to greed on the gear at all. If that player wanted healer gear so bad he should have came as a healer. Period.

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Originally Posted by Soonkyu

Accusing other people of entitlement and saying I said gear should be passed is completely ignorant of my statement. I didn't say anything about passing or that I am somehow entitled to the gear. But your general statement could easily be construed as the very thing you seem so set against.

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Oh seriously, you certainly inferred that certain people have more of a right to gear than others. Sorry but I have all my roles leveled and I have them in full 110 or higher gear. I worked my butt off to do that and didn't ask anyone to pass on anything other than a friend who knew I wanted a specific piece of gear for glamor or otherwise. I would do the same for them. I also have 4 Zodiac's and I sure didn't get the 320,000 seals needed for them by passing on gear. Get real and simply stop it already. You have no more right to anything dropped than anyone else. I too have an opinion and I'm not afraid to express it either.

There is certainly nothing wrong for someone to ask others to pass but they certainly don't have the right to get into a tiff about it if they don't, let alone kick someone from a duty because of it. It's up to each individual to make the decision to pass and to try and somehow pass judgement on them if they don't agree to pass is simply wrong.

I lot on everything (except the trash mats). To gear up all the crafting and gathering classes, as well as progressing relic, you need a crap ton of GC seals. Anything that is leather or goldsmithing I will also desynth to push up my skill level as well as produce stuff that can be sold, putting the gil back into gearing up my DoH/DoL classes. So, I need anything that I can and greed everything else. Every lot that I win contributes to advancing my character.

Narrowly defining "need" to only be related to gearing up DoW/DoM classes doesn't fit everyone's gameplay.

If you need specific gear, come on that class and Need on it. Otherwise, be aware that you will be competing with everyone else.

Nothing wrong with what you did, OP. If you want to roll greed on something, it's your right. You don't owe anyone else a justification or explanation.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Pretty sure throwing a tantrum over being told 'no' makes you more of a dbag than saying 'no' ever could.

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The way the OP said no made him a Dbag, even though the NIN was a bigger douche. Golden Rule if you want a specific piece of gear you better come on that job. All that said the OP would have been fine without those Extra GC seals, he would have got from healer gear, if he would have even won the lot. Chances are the WHM was the NINs friend and would have casted need just so the OP wouldn't have got it.

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Originally Posted by Ryuukishi

Nothing wrong with what you did, OP. If you want to roll greed on something, it's your right. You don't owe anyone else a justification or explanation.

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Absolutely. If he wanted healer loot he can come as the healer. No reasoning is needed. OP didn't even need to respond in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

The way the OP said no made him a Dbag

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Please explain to me what about

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Originally Posted by Steady

"No, I'm not going to pass on anything."

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was so egregious. He answered the question, and simply said he wouldn't be passing on anything. He didn't insult. He didn't poke the bear. He simply answered the question. What's wrong with you people that such a simple response is apparently being a dbag. The standards for what constitutes a dbag have significantly dropped if this is a candidate.

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Originally Posted by Steady

grouping up my second pull I'm kicked out lol.

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I have a feeling that like all posts like this there is more than the OP is letting on unless it was a fully pre-made.

Call me skeptical but I find this is often the case especially when there are allusions that the OP was probably much more rude than he made himself out to be.

On the actual point of the post. Nobody has to pass on anything, I've gotten Weaver to 100.5 desynth and I've never expected people to pass on loot.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Tell that to the 80k seals you need for each relic quest and the 80k seals you need for each Lucis tool.

And... gearing other classes is difficult? Did I miss a memo somewhere or something? ._.



Pretty sure throwing a tantrum over being told 'no' makes you more of a dbag than saying 'no' ever could.

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Condescension is such a great quality to have. Do you put it on your resume?

i usually farm my gear from syrcus for my alt jobs, lot the dungeons (high and expert) for seals or gil. Anyone doing expert does syrcus too and should grab whm/mnk/brd/blm gear from it instead. Maybe for glamour? they arent cool enough tho. My thought, OP was in his right, even if his response wasn't polite it wasn't wrong enough so pt is at fault there. Like someone else said, being kicked was the best for you.

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Originally Posted by Soonkyu

You're reading into it what you want to get out of it for the sake of supporting your own rant.So, no, YOU stop it. Reading isn't hard, but comprehension apparently is.

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Originally Posted by Soonkyu

Glamour, seals, and any other function should be greed. In my *opinion* anything else is simple selfishness or a sense of entitlement in a game where gearing other classes is made difficult even though one of the hallmarks is being able to play all classes on one character..

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Anything else is simply selfish? No I can read. Maybe you should read what you say before accusing others of poor reading comprehension.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Anything else is simply selfish? No I can read. Maybe you should read what you say before accusing other of poor reading comprehension.

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I'm not going to argue with you. You made any debate pointless when you started using what you wanted me to be saying instead of what I was saying. Have a good day :).

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Originally Posted by Arkista

The way the OP said no made him a Dbag

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I don't see how saying "No, I won't pass." makes this a thing.

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Originally Posted by Soonkyu

Condescension is such a great quality to have. Do you put it on your resume?

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Your previous post about linking my Lodestone info was much funnier.

But seriously, I don't know how anyone can say it's hard to gear in this game.

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Your previous post about linking my Lodestone info was much funnier.

But seriously, I don't know how anyone can say it's hard to gear in this game.

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Why do people feel a constant need to take what is said, turn it into a generalized statement out of context with what's actually being provided, and then throw it into the mix like nothing's changed? Once more, I find any point of debate nullified. It was the second you started in with your sarcasm. I hope you enjoyed mine. Enjoy the rest of your day, too.

One should never go into randoms with the expectation to pass on gear that you may need/want for whatever reason. Even if I were to ask, I don't expect anyone to pass on gear. And if I lose the roll it's "C'est la vie. Better luck next time."

Nothing wrong with asking to pass; nothing wrong with refusing to do so. Neither party needs to justify their reasons. DF is a FFA; go with friends or go as the class that can hit the need button.