Again, Relic Nexus will have barely no use...

It's worth noting that you're probably going to see one, maybe two, Encrypted Allagan Tomestones each week, that's going to go to one out of eight people in your raid group, and once you even get it you need minimum 3 more weeks after 2.4 to farm up the Poetics to actually build the damn weapon.

Nexus is going to be the best weapon you can access for several weeks and up to even 2-3 months depending on how your group organizes and their success rate in Coil.

Meh... what use? Not like new drops have any real critical value outside Coil. It's ok if you don't have BiS like your friend(s). Relax, take a deep breath and enjoy grinding your Zodiac cause it's pretty much the only weapon that you won't be stashing on your retainer whenever there's a new patch.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Really, I feel like the relic questline shouldn't be just for the glamour. And as for the people that keep saying it's upgradable...aren't you upgrading your weapon anyway when you pick up a tomestone/dreadwyrm weapon that is stronger than your HA?

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Depends on what definition you use weapon as. Weapon as the slot of which you will be wielding your main hand weapon? Yes, you are certainly upgrading the slot. But how about the actual weapon itself? My HA staff isn't making my Novus staff any stronger when its collecting dust in the armoury. And that's the beauty of relic weapons; its the only one that GROWS along with you. Everything else will get replaced and left in the dust, but relic is always been something of value to hold onto because it IS upgradeable.

Not able to beat T10?
Oh wait, after beating T10 you will get upgrades to beat T10 !?

Linear progress is bad. Special when having 4 different sort of endgame sets, we have to choose from! There is no real alternative because the forced DPs checks.
Just by looking at main stats it makes old gear worthess - no customisation

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Not able to beat T10?
Oh wait, after beating T10 you will get upgrades to beat T10 !?

Linear progress is bad. Special when having 4 different sort of endgame sets, we have to choose from! There is no real alternative because the forced DPs checks.
Just by looking at main stats it makes old gear worthess - no customisation

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I feel like we are going to be staring at "generic fancy name" of Aiming/slaying for quite a long time with no alternatives. Even after they put in "effects" which will happen twelve knows when.

I dont have a problem with the coil dropped weapon and shield being best in game. The relic should be = to the poetic tome + enchanted allagan tome weapon imo

Final Coil is out and we're still going to have another step from the Relic.

Guess what's going to be better?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I feel like we are going to be staring at "generic fancy name" of Aiming/slaying for quite a long time with no alternatives. Even after they put in "effects" which will happen twelve knows when.

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I'll be grinding tomestones for the.... what was it? Third or fourth time(?) to upgrade my gear. Let's see.... Darklight, "AF 2", "Circus gear".... Yup, fourth! This time I'm gonna be a sci-fi hero ^ ^

Fun.... -_-

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Originally Posted by Theresa

Final Coil is out and we're still going to have another step from the Relic.

Guess what's going to be better?

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Whatever replacement we get in place of Coil? :p

They will update nexus to 120 then 125 then 130. It's pretty obvious this is due in a few weeks......

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Originally Posted by Keyln

We have a purple weapon, the best in its line, being outdone by a BLUE weapon from the hardest raid. What's wrong with this picture?

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Every relict, even the first relict, is purple

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Originally Posted by Pr0c3ss0r

http://i.imgur.com/Ig2Caki.jpg

So you can buy the shield for 390 Poetics, and sword for 7 Token + 1 Encrypted Tomestone.

I tght all the time i spend into Relic, Atma farm, Myth grind, Book, Dungon, gil, and 2000 light HM spam, i would have a DECENT use into the new content, but i guess my expectation was too high. The new weapon/sheild should take at top 3 week at 4h per week

At least, i did not spend 10m+ into these DET/Crit materia (as many did) and i bet these player may have a good feeling about all this too.

Time to move on i guess. GL to everyone on your nexus/trixus/anux or w/e they call them next update. Thank you Yoshi for that awesome useless spam.





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For the greater share of us, alot of this high end gear from the high end dungeons is way out of our grasp so relic's are our only solution...

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Originally Posted by Keyln

We have a purple weapon, the best in its line, being outdone by a BLUE weapon from the hardest raid. What's wrong with this picture?

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Don't see anything wrong with it. Hardest raid = Best gear. In my opinion anyways.

I'm just dissapointed the next relic step wasn't in-game already when 2.4 dropped. Guess it will be in 2.45 and raise it to poetis weap level.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Yes, your HA weapon is good for progression and your Nexus is crap for progression. I wonder how people even managed to clear T10-T12 right now using Nexus, bro .

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Just an FYI...I cleared t10 with my NOVUS (not nexus) , and almost certainly will clear t11 with it too. Of course, I'm also a tank, but I'm having no issues due to the 110.

If you want the best gear then try raiding instead of spamming dungeons and HM primals

Holy crap OP! It's almost like they'll release another tier to upgrade it again. Like they've done like 4 times, but clearly your on to something no one could possible have predicted!

lol it's 2.2 all over again, grab your popcorn and watch the tortured souls whine that there is no perma-bis in this game and other assorted gear anguish for the next 3 months.

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Just an FYI...I cleared t10 with my NOVUS (not nexus) , and almost certainly will clear t11 with it too. Of course, I'm also a tank, but I'm having no issues due to the 110.

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He/she was being totally sarcastic toward the person they were quoting.

Sorry OP I guess I just don't understand this gripe. You currently have the best possible weapon you can get until at least 3 weeks from now. And aren't you using your nexus to do the things required in order to get your poetics weapon? Not that you wouldn't be able to obtain your poetics weapon without your relic, but you are still benefiting from the work you put in to get it.

A maximum of 12.5% of the raiding community per week will have a better weapon than you and if your group is smart you won't have it until minimum the 5th week of getting the tomestone (I know it's not called that but you know what I mean) cuz dps should be a higher priority. And the raiding community only makes up what, 5% or less of any given server population? I'm not the smartest person on earth but I do know that 13% of 5% is less than 1% and that 1 more weapon damage isn't the same increase as the 3 or 2 more weapon damage in the subsequent upgrades after the 120.

You can change the itemization of your nexus at any time to accommodate the other gears that you get from coil/poetics to adjust for accuracy etc. whatever else you want. Nexus has been best in slot for every class the last whole month (if not longer?) and still will be for at least 15 days unless by some miracle people clear T13 (is ilevel 110-112ish even enough to enter?) and then being at the mercy of RNG. My opinion is that the relic is a really good investment. It will eventually upgrade to 135 and then rival (and beat with proper itemization) the dreadwyrm weapons but of course not before giving the raiders 6 months of dreadwyrm being the best available.

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Originally Posted by ManweSulimo

A maximum of 12.5% of the raiding community per week will have a better weapon than you...

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I still don't see this argument. The Curtana is clearly better. In fact, I wouldn't even bother with the Poetic weapon, it'd be a downgrade to say the least. Why is iL so important to people?

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I still don't see this argument. The Curtana is clearly better. In fact, I wouldn't even bother with the Poetic weapon, it'd be a downgrade to say the least. Why is iL so important to people?

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AA damage is more important than any sub-stat in the game, aside from maybe accuracy if you're not at the cap.

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I still don't see this argument. The Curtana is clearly better. In fact, I wouldn't even bother with the Poetic weapon, it'd be a downgrade to say the least. Why is iL so important to people?

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iLv is a placebo, it's the stats that are attached to it that matter. More weapon damage = easier to hold hate, and also more damage to the boss. Also the added STR and VIT is a factor too.

3 points (the total difference between both swords and shields) has never made nor broken anything. Further, the Curtana's listed auto-attack damage is higher despite have 1 point less in Attack, yielding a .32 more average damage. So... again, is iL really so important because that's the only thing the Curtana and Holy Shield really has in deficience.

If those 1-2 points are going to make or break your performance, then you're doing it wrong.

ilevel usually ties to weapon damage. And the weapon damage acts as a multiplier of sorts. You can use full 2.3 BiS gear with a nexus weapon and be doing almost exactly double the damage of being naked using a nexus weapon. 2x the damage while you're 10x the ilevel. Weapon damage has the most effect of any stat even including str/int/dex/mind.

That being said, it is a possibility that a properly itemized nexus weapon would be very close to a poorly itemized 120 weapon depending on your class. The +32 det 46 crit might make up the difference of the extra 1 weapon damage and the couple main stat points (str/dex/int/mind).

See you in 2.42 when they add next relic step and these same 'relic are crap' people start moaning that they have to do stuff to get it because it automagically became relevant. 99.9% of people won't even have a poetic within a month when 2.42 arrives and updates relics. QQ moar.

U think its because the relic weapons, other than the look, has no tangible value that UA different from the results of other weapons, which seems wrong considering all the tomes, materia, fates, and hours in df blown on it. There needs to be some value past ilvl for working on these weapons, or its lacking stats will be all they are worth, and we are going to keep having this conversation.

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U think its because the relic weapons, other than the look, has no tangible value that UA different from the results of other weapons, which seems wrong considering all the tomes, materia, fates, and hours in df blown on it. There needs to be some value past ilvl for these weapons, or we are going to keep having this conversation.

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The value is having a weapon of that iLevel without doing content that has any difficulty attached to it.

And before anyone brings up Tome weapons they're currently (and were previously) locked behind Coil.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Do you read? Did I say shit you say about relics? I said that in general. You may be the lucky ones who got your HA stuff before Nexus was introduced but nope, there are people out there who don't. And we have players who are in server 1st/2nd teams who took like 20+ T9 kills before they get their HA weapon which by then, people already got their Nexus.

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And you have players like myself who have still yet, after 7 months, to step foot into SCoB. For me, currently, my Novus is my best weapon on any of my jobs.

What the OP needs to realise is that maybe the Relic weapon upgrade just isn't for them, because they have the capability and group to work on the new content. But not everything has to be catered to every single player.

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U think its because the relic weapons, other than the look, has no tangible value that UA different from the results of other weapons, which seems wrong considering all the tomes, materia, fates, and hours in df blown on it. There needs to be some value past ilvl for working on these weapons, or its lacking stats will be all they are worth, and we are going to keep having this conversation.

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I am not completely sure what you are trying to say here because the language is a bit convoluted, but what I got out of it is that you think the relic has no value and lacking stats? However as I said before for the last month and for the next 15 days anybody with a relic nexus has the best possible weapon available...

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And before anyone brings up Tome weapons they're currently (and were previously) locked behind Coil.

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This original topic of this thread is about tome/coil weapons and how they compare to nexus weapons

Would you guys just stop comparing the relic to shit like this. Theres a large difference between relic and any tome weapons: RELIC EVOLVES. It becomes stronger, you never have to get rid of it. It may be useless today but it will be useful tomorrow.

Even now Relic is useful as hell unless you're clearing turn 11 in which case I congratulate you.

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You mean, was i piss when i did Nexus after i got T9 weapon bc it was better? Hmm, no.. i was not piss at all, but i can tell you, this should never happen. The whole problem here is this, i am not talking about lass boss weapon, i am talking about those weapon you can buy with new currency, those are in place to HELP player to defeat boss, as the relic. I mean, tell me the use of relic otherwise?

The last nexus upgrade made no sense since it was 1 month before 2.4, was literally useless in t6-9 content.

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Again, you keep calling them tombstone weapons....but as of now, the only way to get the key item needed to get said weapon in the first place...IS TO DO FINAL COIL. Sure, coil might also drop better weapons.... but you keep making sound like SE is giving the weapon away for free...and that LOTS of people will have them. And yes, maybe the final chapter of the Crystal Tower will drop the key item as well...but that is months away.

So for now, for many people, (maybe not you personally), their Relic IS their best option. And as others have pointed out, even for you, it's likely that as a TANK, you won't see the key item needed for the weapon until at least every dps on your team has theirs. [I]Also, and this is important, you can beat the final turn of final coil with you Nexus. I get it may not be your 'BiS' at the time....but I could argue that between RNG having to work in your teams favor for the key item drops+ then needing to spend tomestones on a weapon instead of gear that is also a potential upgrade (BiS), the mild boost in stats might not be worth the invenstment. Because if you can beat the final boss of coil w/ the Nexus, and since that's where you're real BiS will drop, spending points on a weapon you likely use for a couple weeks while learning the final boss (if it takes your team that long), is likely not worth the time/loss of spending the points elsewhere. Especially since your whole issue now is that Nexus is replaced by it.

Oh and again, I don't know how to make this any clearer....just because a small percentage of the playerbase is challenging Final Coil while it's the newest and hardest thing, doesn't mean the majority of the playerbase is/will. For most players, their Relic weapon is going to almost always be their 'BiS'. Because most players will actually progress in the Relic questline faster than they progress in the coil questline.

PS: this still doesn't get to the meat of the matter though. You are misunderstanding what a relic is. A relic is an upgradable weapon. You will always have it by your side. All those other weapons in game? Good for a couple months and then you toss em. The relics MAIN saving grace is it's constantly evolving as you do. But the tradeoff is that at basically every step in the relic-progression, there will also be weapons of similar strength. Which is OKAY. It doesn't lessen the relic...because the point of the relic is to have again, a weapon that grows with you.

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Even now Relic is useful as hell unless you're clearing turn 11 in which case I congratulate you.

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And even if you are you clearing t11 you still can't get your tomestone weapon until minimum 12 days from now anyways, and of course only one person per group per week. Best case scenario group beats t11 this week, next week, and the tuesday after the reset and then they can have 3/8 players with 120 weapons by Nov 11 assuming they all grind their poetry that same day on reset day.

Most likely by the time 3.0 comes out Relics will be i135 and BiS again, we just have to wait for the quests to drop. Hell, if the "Ultimate weapon" comment of Yoshi-P's is taken as a lot do the Relic could be i140.

As others have said though, Nexus will be BiS for the vast majority of the game's population for a while given Final Coil's difficulty.

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That's how I see it honestly, you're upgrading the slot with the higher tier of the relic, just as you are upgrading the slot with the higher tier of coil weapons. The difference is that the relic is gated by progressive steps; you have to start with clean to zenith and so on. Back in the example I brought up, I could instantly pick up an unweathered weapon without ever having to touch t5 for allagan. The whole relic upgrading thing is just another cover over how you obtain the next part of the weapon; you'd be completing objectives rather than scoring a clear and a drop.

Jeezuschrust™
Yet another topic made by a fluffy and static-less casual X.X was the same in 2.2, how is hard to understand that relics re not meant to be always the top tier BIS weapons... It only serve as catch-up weapons to motivate people to start raiding... But look like they still didn't got it.

This is the kind of stuffs that make me die a little inside, they want the best with no serious efforts (no, relic isn't serious efforts, it's just a brain-dead-grind fest mixed with a massive gils crash under your wallet).

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Would you guys just stop comparing the relic to shit like this. Theres a large difference between relic and any tome weapons: RELIC EVOLVES. It becomes stronger, you never have to get rid of it. It may be useless today but it will be useful tomorrow.

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Hahaha! This post genuinely made me laugh. I honestly can't tell if you were serious when you wrote this, but wow... just wow.

Sure... relic upgrades. By taking a path of extreme resistance and agonizing annoyance to do so.

But then, so does all the new gear. Nexus was only 'top of the line' for barely a whisper of time, and even then not THAT much of an upgrade. Give it time and new upgrades will appear, and yet more new weapons. A fully complete zodiac weapon will almost always look like a top-of-the-line regular weapon. Only one takes a lot less effort to acquire.

Three guesses where I'm putting my investments. I'll give you a hint, Atma grinding and the horrible animus books don't picture in it.

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Most likely by the time 3.0 comes out Relics will be i135 and BiS again

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Ya, like they did for nexus, 6 month after the release of t6-9.

JFI and clarify, relic is not needed for jack or we would still be stuck in T9, i am the only one in my group that have it. But it is a mega lack of respect from SE to do this move to who spend that amount of time into something that have barely no use.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Would you guys just stop comparing the relic to shit like this. Theres a large difference between relic and any tome weapons: RELIC EVOLVES. It becomes stronger, you never have to get rid of it. It may be useless today but it will be useful tomorrow.

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AMEN summarised everything about what a Relic weapon is all about.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Sure... relic upgrades. By taking a path of extreme resistance and agonizing annoyance to do so.

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So doing fates a few hours a day, doing various dungeons, fates, leves and killing enemies... Is SO agonizing and extreme?? Just wow dude. Do you even know the concept of a challenge that doesn't involve killing some coil boss and fighting over loot between people?