TGS Live Letter Discussion

Just taking a wild guess and saying it'll likely be the upgrade system in 2.4 However, I am willing to be the new gear will be the AF2 gear they showed off a while back. Just because Soldiery acted like the Philosophy, I'm expecting the new Allagan pieces to act like Myth. Meaning specific gear for specific jobs, and no long accessible for classes.

I hope oils and sands of time will be available via spending soldiery since it'll be uncapped

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Originally Posted by myahele

I hope oils and sands of time will be available via spending soldiery since it'll be uncapped

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ST and 2nd coil won't have limitations anymore, so you can just farm that. T6 and T8 should be a breeze with echo.

I think Snowcloak trumped Lost City; Good job Knee-socks san. Heck, Sastasha getting it's theme remixed is pretty great too, not fond of Qarns music though, but dungeon looks fun; more traps (I noticed floor spikes popping up a bit), which the normal mode kinda lacked...

Hope these dungeons see a returns to some puzzle based gameplay as well. The original Sastasha had the three coral formations, and Qarn was probably the most puzzle this game every got; hope the hard modes don't disappoint in that regard.

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Originally Posted by Shenon

Edit: After looking trhough it,its just a Video of the Square Booth Presentation with the first 30 Minutes beeing the Liveletter (or part of it)

http://www.twitch.tv/shae_lys/b/570343411

(Hope ist okay if i post it @panzertroll)

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no problem ;)
But the quality is not very good (many freeze with nico nico)

Official Videos

Trailer FFXIV TGS 2014 : http://youtu.be/NVKbhos6utY
new dungeon du patch 2.4 : http://youtu.be/WHIHzXZKAf8
Preview de Shiva : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdQMXinVahg
Preview Rogue / Ninja : http://youtu.be/pFkLMDlYvoI

I was hoping for some good info regarding Rogue/Ninja like finally getting official confirmation on their main stat. To be completely honest the live letter in general seems to have been rather disappointing :(

i think they don't give a lot of information mostly for give them while the fan fest. since it was announced, the number of information we get are... well.... small.

2.4 will hit what mid-late October, so i am thinking they will wait longer to release info.
And we all want Rogue/Ninja :D

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

i think they don't give a lot of information mostly for give them while the fan fest. since it was announced, the number of information we get are... well.... small.

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I think fan fest will mostly be about expansion but maybe the 2.4 trailer will come at the same time, it was short for a live letter anyway, it didn't last one hour while they usually last 2hours at least, so they couldn't say a lot.

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Originally Posted by Muzetta

I was hoping for some good info regarding Rogue/Ninja like finally getting official confirmation on their main stat. To be completely honest the live letter in general seems to have been rather disappointing :(

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They are not going to give that information because it has economic ramifications; If they said Ninja uses Strength, people would stock up on Strength gear for leveling it before it's even out.

In all likelihood though, they'll use Strength. Ninja should be on Fuma, I guess there is a chance they could do something like give us a reskinned Fuma with Dexterity or something, but that certainly isn't the logical thing to do...

I think dex makes the most sense for agility and hand symbol based skills/magic/whatever.

since DEX is only for ranged attack it make no sense at all...
stats was already definite at the release... try to make different will only lead to weird stuff like the monk in the V1 (monk was str/int based) since rog/nin are melee class the logical choice is STR, by the way the monk in it definition it's too an agile class, since it's based on speed and accurate attack, but it's still STR.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

They are not going to give that information because it has economic ramifications; If they said Ninja uses Strength, people would stock up on Strength gear for leveling it before it's even out.

In all likelihood though, they'll use Strength. Ninja should be on Fuma, I guess there is a chance they could do something like give us a reskinned Fuma with Dexterity or something, but that certainly isn't the logical thing to do...

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we often keep gear for multi class, and anyway, it's mustn't be that bad to know this... or do they plan to make all the person that decide to switch of main spend 2 month for catch back the other class?
another point that bother me greatly, the relic quest... indeed you have some part you can prepare before hand, like atma and novus, but some part will be quite long for catch. and on the long terms, the new class/jobs added at the 3.0, will have the go throught the whole process for get them relic to the same step than the other class, i don't even want to imagine the pain in the ass if they don't think a bit more before add more long phase of upgrade.

no date yet? :(

the new dungeon look amazing :o that music

i want one :)

http://i.imgur.com/vPrCOtuh.png

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

Topic 17: Can you port to your partner?
You will have a chocobo instead

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As I thought. Those that raged when refer a friend gave a shared chocobo mount, jumped to conclusions. All 63 of them. As SE promised, eternal bond will also have it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...der-chocobo%29

Shiva and the new dungeons look cool and all but we couldn't get a sneak peak at maybe some of the new coil stuff? A lot of us were very disappointed with next to no info on the next coil. Even some concept art or pics of the new armor/weapons would have been enough.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

Shiva and the new dungeons look cool and all but we couldn't get a sneak peak at maybe some of the new coil stuff? A lot of us were very disappointed with next to no info on the next coil. Even some concept art or pics of the new armor/weapons would have been enough.

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Yeah, it's a bummer, but they were clearly holding back. Screenshots/videos of other content, like the main scenario and Hildibrand quests were left out, too. Even in the dungeon and Shiva videos all you got to see was scenery.

I'm sure we'll get proper preview videos of everything closer to the patch.

overall a dissapointing live letter and i feel like they are delaying the patch because of fan fest.

inb4 2.4 is the tuesday after fanfest.

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Originally Posted by Zoeila

overall a dissapointing live letter and i feel like they are delaying the patch because of fan fest.

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if SE delay the 2.4 anymore they will lose lots of customers , summer is over....so no excuses

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

if SE delay the 2.4 anymore they will lose lots of customers , summer is over....so no excuses

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Not really.

2.3 came out over three months ahead of 2.2 and we've gained subscribers so far. My guess is after EU fanfest for 2.4 release.

seems like a great patch, and props to se if the new primal focus quest requires all current primals, as it would rectify problems older primals have with redundancy.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

we often keep gear for multi class, and anyway, it's mustn't be that bad to know this... or do they plan to make all the person that decide to switch of main spend 2 month for catch back the other class?
another point that bother me greatly, the relic quest... indeed you have some part you can prepare before hand, like atma and novus, but some part will be quite long for catch. and on the long terms, the new class/jobs added at the 3.0, will have the go throught the whole process for get them relic to the same step than the other class, i don't even want to imagine the pain in the ass if they don't think a bit more before add more long phase of upgrade.

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that's no different than new ppl starting to play now. they would have to start relics the same way.
and every relic you want to start, is the same way.
and...you can easily get ilv100 wep at least, with sol.
and you can get new tome gear, at same pace as every else, so it's not like you're gonna fall behind.
and it's not like relic is any good anyway. it took almost 6months for relic to become as good as coil weps, so you'll have 6months to make relic useful, in 2.4x
and why would new classes/jobs need to automatically catch up to everyone else?

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

since DEX is only for ranged attack it make no sense at all...
stats was already definite at the release... try to make different will only lead to weird stuff like the monk in the V1 (monk was str/int based) since rog/nin are melee class the logical choice is STR, by the way the monk in it definition it's too an agile class, since it's based on speed and accurate attack, but it's still STR.



we often keep gear for multi class, and anyway, it's mustn't be that bad to know this... or do they plan to make all the person that decide to switch of main spend 2 month for catch back the other class?
another point that bother me greatly, the relic quest... indeed you have some part you can prepare before hand, like atma and novus, but some part will be quite long for catch. and on the long terms, the new class/jobs added at the 3.0, will have the go throught the whole process for get them relic to the same step than the other class, i don't even want to imagine the pain in the ass if they don't think a bit more before add more long phase of upgrade.

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Stop saying DEX is only for ranged attacks... The client says that because Archer/Bard is the only Class/Job that uses DEX, so saying it affects anything than Ranged attacks, would make no sense.

They could just change that info and make Ninja DEX based. Definition of Dexterity: Skill and grace in physical movement, especially in the use of the hands;

Punching your targets with fist weapons require raw power(Strength, MNK), using daggers in the graceful way that Ninjas do, should require dexterity.

I don't understand how this would lead to weird stuff like in V1... There shouldn't be any mixed main stats on chars, and Ninja using DEX wouldn't change the other jobs in the game in any way.

Either way I don't really give a sh't... Who cares what they will use? They will probably not share any armor with other jobs anyways, and it wouldn't make a difference if it says Strength or Dexterity...

maybe for not make this content irrevelant for the person playing this new class, if it take 3-4 month for catch up (if not more if you are unlucky) people will simply ignore this content and directly go with tomes weapon or raid weapon.
the point it's to make the content still an option even for new player. i have a friend that did start to play in jully, he did simply ignore the whole relic quest since he don't want to spend all him gaming time into this for catch up the other.

indeed it's an optional content, but when it become a content that are only for the player that are here since the start you get a trouble on the hand. it's not an optional content it's a veteran only content.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

Stop saying DEX is only for ranged attacks... The client says that because Archer/Bard is the only Class/Job that uses DEX, so saying it affects anything than Ranged attacks, would make no sense.

They could just change that info and make Ninja DEX based. Definition of Dexterity: Skill and grace in physical movement, especially in the use of the hands;

Punching your targets with fist weapons require raw power(Strength, MNK), using daggers in the graceful way that Ninjas do, should require dexterity.

I don't understand how this would lead to weird stuff like in V1... There shouldn't be any mixed main stats on chars, and Ninja using DEX wouldn't change the other jobs in the game in any way.

Either way I don't really give a sh't... Who cares what they will use? They will probably not share any armor with other jobs anyways, and it wouldn't make a difference if it says Strength or Dexterity...

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because for you it's must be DEX, they need to change the rule of the game, logical. other point, every dex armor are clearly not oriented ninja/rogue in the looking, i want to see a ninja with the ST armor jumping around with this oversized hat or the long cape.... will be priceless as sights.

monk are indeed using raw power, but they are too swift, precise and extremely agile... it's all the definition of agility class or dex class as you some said.


anyway, i doubt they will change the mechanic of the game just for one class... that... well stupid in many way.
Rogue and ninja are both a melee class, then them stats will be STR, if they was a magical class it will be INT, if it was a ranged class it will have been DEX and if it was a healer it will have been MND... and since they are not tank it's will not be VIT too :p.
so far all we have seen from the ninja/rogue it's a melee class with fancy move that all, the only one ranged attack it's a dagger throws that not different from the ranged attack the war/pld/drg have.

I expected more information about 2.4 at TGS but I got dissapointed. They showned only some teasing videos. It's nice but still no info. From the teasers seems we get Sastasha and Qarn HMs also 1 new dungeon.

There was a slide related to Fantasias, anyone happen to have a clue about what they meant with that?

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Originally Posted by Pantz

As I thought. Those that raged when refer a friend gave a shared chocobo mount, jumped to conclusions. All 63 of them. As SE promised, eternal bond will also have it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...der-chocobo%29

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You realise the Eternal Bond dual chocobo is a completely separate mount from the Draught Chocobo.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3VCcKbpN-x...ng+chocobo.jpg

It is white with fancy barding. If you want the original Draught Chocobo you will still need to use a refferal

The Shiva Video was quite boring. Would have loved to see some action there. And Quarn HM will be Pharos Sirius 2.0 like lol. Fleeing tanks, derping DPS, I can see you already!

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

You realise the Eternal Bond dual chocobo is a completely separate mount from the Draught Chocobo.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3VCcKbpN-x...ng+chocobo.jpg

It is white with fancy barding. If you want the original Draught Chocobo you will still need to use a refferal

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No shit. Those people were however angry because they though that was the ONLY way to get a shared chocobo. And that there wouldn't be a shared mount for eternal bond. It is totally fine to make different mount skins obtainable through multiple methods. As it has always been for any other game.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

that's gonna make people who scream lore mad. can't wait too see them QQ.

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Bit of a fail troll attempt here given that no one has ever contested Rogue even being available from char creation. The Rogue's guild has always been there as we are told in 2.2 so there's no issue with having people unlock Rogue before that point in the story.

The issue is Ninja itself as Yugiri says she will teach us personally and that is impossible if you aren't at the correct point in the story. Given that Rogue is gated though I'm quite confident that Ninja will be too.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...XemEVQNlY/edit

Here is the full translation doc

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Bit of a fail troll attempt here given that no one has ever contested Rogue even being available from char creation. The Rogue's guild has always been there as we are told in 2.2 so there's no issue with having people unlock Rogue before that point in the story.

The issue is Ninja itself as Yugiri says she will teach us personally and that is impossible if you aren't at the correct point in the story. Given that Rogue is gated though I'm quite confident that Ninja will be too.

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I believe Yoshi-P confirmed you can't unlock Rogue until you get 1 class to lv10. So no, Rogue is not available right off the bat for newly created characters.

I imagine you'll still need 2.2 cleared to unlock Ninja, they can just change dialogue based on whether you've done 2.2 or not for Rogue.

They also mentioned how the guild will be similar to the Tenshodo from Final Fantasy XI, and if I remember correctly there was a point in the missions where you basically get invited to their hideout, but before that you could find it and join. So yeah, find the Rogue Guild before 2.2 and you can level it, and 2.2s dialogue will be different. Don't find it before 2.2 and you get introduced to them for the first time like all of us will be.

I really hope people don't complain about this kind of content, because it's exactly what a lot of people have been asking for; you explore Limsa Lominsa, find a hidden Guild, and get rewarded with a "secret" Class to level. If we can get more of that in the open world (though not all linked to Classes, of course), that would be great.

the idea is nice, but with internet... you really think people will explore? most of the people will go on the net and simply google the position of the guild... and a new building open is not something that will go unnotice... then it's simply a way to care for the people that don't want to simply accept the fact that some class can't be offered on the silver plate and ask to advance in the game for get it.

level 10 can be done in less of 2 hours.... seriously i'm unsatisfied with this solution... they simply throw out the lore for please people that don't want to really invest time into the game.

You're not saying they shouldn't add content like that because people will Google it, are you?

If people want to follow a guide instead of having a brain, let them. If people want to see the Mona Lisa on Google Images instead of seeing the real thing, let them.

There is no reason not to have nice, thought out content, just because some people are going to Google it.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

it don't change that this option will be used correctly by what? 10% of the playerbase... like i have said, i like the idea... but in the fact it's will have little to no impact.

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How many people skip cutscenes? Or buy runs? Guess we should remove cutscenes and endgame as well?

it don't change that this option will be used correctly by what? 10% of the playerbase... like i have said, i like the idea... but in the fact it's will have little to no impact.

Oh sweet Thaliak, Qarn HM...
/nightmare

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Right now I don't like how he isn't addressing the issue of story content accessibility except with a faint "we will get to it somehow, someday, somewhere..." The entire inclusion of Bahamuts Coil was fine back in 1.0 when the fights were more "know your own role" than dancing in sync with everyone else, but due to encounter design getting through content without a static has become a nightmare. Then there is the problem that they have extremely complicated DPS job rotations in comparison to most MMOs and they make the DPS have to pay attention to even more things in Ramuh EX. I just don't know anymore if they even know what they are doing over there in the development department. They seem to have ideas that run contrary to what people really want.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

Topic 18: The Ixali Gloves are weak!
Ixali quests were designed for new crafters not existing hardcore crafters, so gloves aren't OP

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This sounds like he's talking about the Ehcatl Wristflovs (the ilvl 6 pair). What about the Ehcatl Smithing Gloves (ilvl 70)? There was a suggestion that they might give us back the 3 CP..,

Qarn HM AND a new snow dungeon? My-Lady-Ice will have to wait. $_$