The primals were most likely not in the ship in the opening cs. they were brought into hydalin by the resulting crash and explosion. That's why the imps are so head strong on wiping them and there followers out, they feel responsible for bringing the blight of there existence and there war for dominance to the world.
Cerulium is as far as i can tell not a cocktail of juiced crystals its something totally different. Its the unobtainum powering the war machine that is the empire. The reason there harvesting crystals on mass is most likely to call forth there own primal. Perhaps they realize that if the primals stop there in fighting and focus on them there toast. and are attempting to fight fire with fire.
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08-03-2011, 06:27 AMGriss
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08-05-2011, 04:04 PMPlatinumstorm
Bump for the mystery of why the sylphs worship Ramuh. Is this rumor or fact?
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08-05-2011, 05:53 PMAnima
Idk about that, but Sylph's Symbol is a Thunder Bolt. Here is a nice link to Map/symbols/Eorzean Literature.
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08-05-2011, 06:00 PMTsukinoIt's also in the game in their home area.Quote:
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08-06-2011, 02:53 PMPlatinumstorm
Ok. Thank you for pointing that out.
It just seems weird because the sylphs don't really share characteristics with Ramuh.
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08-06-2011, 06:10 PMMedura
"This brings up the first problem with FFXIV and its story. Bahamut is dead, and I'm not really sure anyone likes this; it seems weird and is something I would consider would reverse itself in the future, which pretty much brings up the basis of this post."
Bahamut has been dead in earlier FF games to, the thing is, it never completely dies, it just comes back, even stronger. -
08-06-2011, 08:38 PMAlpha_Zeon
On the subject of if the dragon in the Opening Movie is Bahamut or not, i'd suggest looking at this link http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bahamut. In the myriad of FF titles not once was Bahamut represented as that type of dragon, the kind with no legs or feet (at least not visibly) and is extremely long. Atleast not to my knowledge. So IMO it's not, nor could it ever be, Bahamut.
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08-06-2011, 09:22 PMMug
Yeah, I'm leaning towards the dragon being Shinryu, but you never know.
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08-06-2011, 10:09 PMTotobiBahamut has always been depicted as a Western Dragon. The Dragon in the opening CG is an Eastern Dragon, like Shinryu http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shinryu (Not that i'm saying it IS Shinryu, it's just odd they'd suddenly change BAhamuts appearance so much)Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
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08-06-2011, 10:33 PMAlpha_Zeon
It'd be heresy! HERESY I SAY!! Yeah, would be really odd if it were Bahamut, but highly doubt it. Apparently Platinumstorm hasn't giving any real evidence to support that it is Bahamut. Just that "it has every characteristic of Bahamut". Fail to see the resemblance myself. heh
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08-07-2011, 01:05 AMGodai
Also how about the fact that crystals in Mor Dhona become unaspected? Could it be that Bahamut ( or Shinryu) are sucking the power from all the crystals in the area in order to revive? I bet when they wake up they aren't gonna be happy.
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08-07-2011, 01:39 AMBetelgeuzah
Already mentioned that garleans are sucking the power off the crystals to obtain some sort of mineral (can't recall the name) and awaken their own primal with it.
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08-07-2011, 01:57 AMSuzakuCMXUnobtanium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah
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08-07-2011, 02:23 AMPlatinumstormAgain, since I pointed this out to someone else, it is a shame that we have to even have a debate over what the dragon is, since it was such a major event in the history of Eorzea. It's Square's fault that that information isn't easily accessible, and that no characters in the seem to have knowledge of the event other than it was an event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha_Zeon
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08-07-2011, 02:31 AMTsukichuIts no ones fault why the identity of the dragon isn't public knowledge. Its just the mystery of the event, can't we leave it at that? The mystery will unravel itself soon enough, we just need to be patient and wait for that to happen. I have a feeling in the near future we'll know exactly the significance of the dragon and the airship as the stories intertwine and unfold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
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08-07-2011, 04:05 PMRydinQuote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
Keeping you in the dark over "major events" is a plot device used by many MANY (see: almost every) games, movies, books, television shows...
Not everything is revealed at the start.
It's a shame that we have to debate on the identity of an unknown dragon in the opening cut scene?
Yes there are parts of the game that were annoying, to say the least, however, choosing to leave the identity of the dragon a mystery is not one of them. Especially if knowing (or in this case not knowing), and subsequently finding out becomes a major part of the story -
08-07-2011, 04:26 PMPlatinumstormThe events of the cinematichappened 15 years ago and had widespread consequences including transforming the world and interrupting the power of the Garleans. This is not a mysterious plot device save for their expulsion of the eikons. The dragon is incredibly large, it would have been well known to the people in Eorzea, and even if it hadn't, the people would have given it a name after such a historic moment that transformed the world. The cinematic is backhistory designed to give players an idea of what has happened in the game. The mystery comes afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydin
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08-07-2011, 06:19 PMwhoopeeragonBut the problem is that beastmen have been worshipping the primals for generations. Seeing as the fight between the Garlean airforce and the dragons occurred 15 years before the events of the game (through echo), it wouldn't make sense for them to emerge then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griss
Platinum storm, the moon was freaking big enough and well-known to the entire populace of earth. However, we really didn't know stuff about it until space-travel and technology became available. Just because something is smack-damn right in our face doesn't mean we can put a name to it, or describe it full detail. Who knows, the dragon may have been hiding in Dravania for a long time, with only Sharlayans or the equivalent holding any lore towards the dragon. So for that to be a mystery is no problem. Heck, everyone knows about the Garlean Empire, yet no-one KNOWS the Garlean Empire. Same thing; they know about the incident, yet the populace of Hydaelyn do NOT know the incident.
The Twelve are termed the benevolent rulers and deities of Eorzea, but the primals may be a further step ahead of them, as the primals of Hydaelyn. The archons, reincarnated in mortal form, may not be necessarily evil in nature. Nor may they be benevolent; they grow up depending on their environment. So perhaps the primals and archons are related somehow, since both are just that; power to be held, neither good nor evil, but powerful. Perhaps that's why the Garlean fears them, or why the evil guy from the Limsa storyline is intrigued in them; the earlier is scared of such power, the latter wishes to harness that power for their own ends.
Has anyone also considered the fact that, if the figures that burst out of the light really were the primals, they may not necessarily have been on the airship, OR summoned by the dragon? The ship crashed right into the lake, nearly dead centre as well. What if the primals had been sleeping under the lake, or sealed underneath it, and when the airship sunk down onto it, the seal burst, releasing the primals? I always thought why the rocks around the lake were glowing in the CG.
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08-08-2011, 12:37 AMRydinMost people who saw that are deadQuote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
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08-08-2011, 01:26 AMGriss
whoopeeragon
Not to get my reality chocolate in your fantasy peanut butter. People have been worshiping "Gods" with out direct interaction with them in the real world for a long, long time.
As far as the crash, and the primals "Sleeping" under the lake. Remember the primals use aethritic energy to manifest them self's into the plain hydalin habits. I would imagen that the mor d'hona disaster was the largest expulsion of energy the game world has ever seen.
So lets put all the pieces together duct taped with the magical material known as "what if".
Lets say there were large enough releases in the past to let the primal's partly manifest them self's in the past. Beast tribes witness these individual manifestations, Religions are formed.
The disaster of mor dhona happens primals of all shapes and sizes use the energy to take stroll around the world reinforcing said religions.
The knowledge of how to summon the primals is brought to the beast tribes. And in a omg what have we done moment the summoned primal's brain wash and enslave them turning them into pawns of the primal war.
Its here that I want to point out something that I find very interesting. The two tribes that are for the most part are just chilled out, are the two that have no known link to a primal.
Where as the kobalts, ixal, amool, and sahagans (proxied by there reavers) will eat your face off rather then look at you. -
08-08-2011, 03:08 AMPlatinumstorm
So we didn't have a name for the moon until the the middle of the 1900s. :D
There are multiple outposts in Mor Dhana with people there. That means people can, although at risk, get to Mor Dhana. The death of people in the vicinity isn't a relevant factor into coming up with a creative name for the dragon and passing it throughout the history.
Square was sloppy in most ways with this game, and they're trying to rectify it. They don't defend it so I don't see why some are jumping through extraordinary hoops on fire with a kitten in their left hand trying to protect it.
This is one of the things I sort of consider in my OP, but it also wouldn't be a terribly amazing "seal" to be that shallow. Usually when sealing something awy you tend to want to seal it far away from being accessible. The crash wasn't terribly deep. One interesting thing, as you mention, were the stones in Gridania. I think they contained the same substance as whatever created the aetheryite crystals [if that's cereulean Ionno], and when those were "popped" they formed those crystal formations all over Mor Dhana. It's difficult to say they were related to the eikons, though, since they were spread all over and the eikons came from a central location in the video.Quote:
The ship crashed right into the lake, nearly dead centre as well. What if the primals had been sleeping under the lake, or sealed underneath it, and when the airship sunk down onto it, the seal burst, releasing the primals? I always thought why the rocks around the lake were glowing in the CG.
Not really a huge sample size here yet, nor is there information to definitively say they aren't attached to anything, since Ramuh and Carbuncle each have a bit of credibility with the sylphs possibly associated with them. There are also faction quests where the sylphs are your enemies, just to point out.Quote:
Its here that I want to point out something that I find very interesting. The two tribes that are for the most part are just chilled out, are the two that have no known link to a primal.
Goblins weren't even part of the original pre-alpha paid launch, so they just sort of showed up as monsters.
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08-08-2011, 03:32 AMGath
TL;DR try again.
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08-08-2011, 03:58 AMGrissActually Goblins were mentioned back then. Mind you it was only a small paragraph of text from a out of the way npc. Next time you are chilling out in uldah go chat up vavaki at 7,4. the text has been slightly modified since the goblins started showing up but for the most part its still the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
One aspect that i do want people to seriously consider is to take every thing said by npc's with a grain of salt. Since the mob size increase i have seen at least two distinct reasons as to why come directly from npc's. In short there is a lot of misinformation swirling around. se be trollin just keep that in mind. -
08-08-2011, 04:22 AMPetori
What really annoys me in game is that it has a damn good lore in it but all happens in background without us. We're just bystanders.
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08-08-2011, 04:29 AMTsukinoHopefully this stands to improve now that they've said they're willing to ditch crafters and gatherers from being able to complete the main story quests. That was severely limiting our interaction with the events of the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Petori
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08-08-2011, 05:16 AMPlatinumstormI think they could get away with letting all DOH/DOL play as bards though; granted there would be a huge saturation of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino
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08-08-2011, 09:27 AMwhoopeeragonTrue, but our "Gods" have never manifested physically except in books and people's dreams. The primals/eikons have been known to take physical form in front of the beastmen, so they actually DO interact with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griss
Good theory. I like the top part, but except for the fact as, I think someone mentioned, that sylphs also want to eat you out in one of the quests as well. So they're not all overly good and righteous and chilled out.Quote:
As far as the crash, and the primals "Sleeping" under the lake. Remember the primals use aethritic energy to manifest them self's into the plain hydalin habits. I would imagen that the mor d'hona disaster was the largest expulsion of energy the game world has ever seen.
So lets put all the pieces together duct taped with the magical material known as "what if".
Lets say there were large enough releases in the past to let the primal's partly manifest them self's in the past. Beast tribes witness these individual manifestations, Religions are formed.
The disaster of mor dhona happens primals of all shapes and sizes use the energy to take stroll around the world reinforcing said religions.
The knowledge of how to summon the primals is brought to the beast tribes. And in a omg what have we done moment the summoned primal's brain wash and enslave them turning them into pawns of the primal war.
Its here that I want to point out something that I find very interesting. The two tribes that are for the most part are just chilled out, are the two that have no known link to a primal.
Where as the kobalts, ixal, amool, and sahagans (proxied by there reavers) will eat your face off rather then look at you.
Touche....I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Platinumstorm
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08-11-2011, 09:43 AMRhomagus
Figured I'd cross reference this thread with this one >>>> here <<<<