Achievement Points: Give them a purpose

You get a lot of Vanity items from ingame achievements. Also companions, minions, titles and choccobo bardings. Sounds already good to me. They could maybe add some special fan gifts like Wallpapers or exclusive sound files from the FF series.

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Originally Posted by Anarnee

Nah. Achievements are achievements, the points are a score for bragging rights and I don't think it should be anything more.

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Don't worry, as you said, Achievements are achievements.
I think OP just suggested adding Achievements of achievements.

The rewards are "bragging right" as usual, like the tank bards or the savage mode cob title ^^;

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I get the whole "achievements are achievements" thing, but why bother attaching a number to them if the number's not going to do anything? No one other than you can even see the number. Why not put the number to use or get rid of it entirely?

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Originally Posted by Sadana

[Snip] I've often wondered why achievements earn points but we can't use the points for anything.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I get the whole "achievements are achievements" thing, but why bother attaching a number to them if the number's not going to do anything? No one other than you can even see the number. Why not put the number to use or get rid of it entirely?

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I've wondered the exact same thing since they were implemented. Different achievements have different "values" points wise (some are 5, some are 20); surely that will mean something, right? Apparently not o.O

if anything at all, they should maybe reward you with a titel after amounts of points aquired.
achievement points are meassurements to show how far you have progressed in the game.there are players that simply finish their achievements for the sake of progression.
but since everyones playstyle greatly varies, item rewards should strictly be kept to the various achievements themself.by obtaining those items you already show that you've advanced in various tasks of the game (crafting tools, materia crown, total enemies killed, etc.)
the points you obtain were never ment to reward you with items, rather show how far you've progressed.

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

if anything at all, they should maybe reward you with a titel after amounts of points aquired.
achievement points are meassurements to show how far you have progressed in the game.there are players that simply finish their achievements for the sake of progression.
but since everyones playstyle greatly varies, item rewards should strictly be kept to the various achievements themself.by obtaining those items you already show that you've advanced in various tasks of the game (crafting tools, materia crown, total enemies killed, etc.)
the points you obtain were never ment to reward you with items, rather show how far you've progressed.

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I always figured the achievement points, if they had to symbolize anything, a player character's reputation throughout Eorzea. Bragging rights indeed, but ones that players could get recognized for amongst NPCs, like shopkeepers who would be willing to sell special items only to those they deem "worthy".

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Originally Posted by CodeCass

Now that's a cool idea!

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Players that don't really try toget the points will reach 2000-2500 points.
Players that are more casual/focused will get around 3500points
Players that focus on it are around 4500-5500 points.
Players that crack out and play none stop and focus on achievement points have 6000+.

Only like 50-100 players have 6000+

Only players will 5000+ score are 1.0 players. Theres only like 5 people that are 7000-8000 score.

Most 2.0 players should be able to reach 3000-5000 score.

Yes they should bring back 1.0 achievements but regardless some of them are seasonal events/1.0 story and theres no way to bring them back into the game really.

Chocobo Escort/Hamlet/Off hand Fishing Spear/Teleport Locations/Gil/Levequest/Behest/1.0 Dungeon/Faction leves/Gil achievements and hole bunch of other stuff they still need to add in.
Only see them bringing back some of them.

Each patch they add in it becomes easier and easier to earn the rewards you couldn't reach before.

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Originally Posted by mbncd

I've wondered the exact same thing since they were implemented. Different achievements have different "values" points wise (some are 5, some are 20); surely that will mean something, right? Apparently not o.O

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Not YET. :D

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Originally Posted by Black_Rose

if anything at all, they should maybe reward you with a titel after amounts of points aquired.

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Yeah, this could be the simplest answer. Titles could be silly like some of the others we have already:
Go-Getter
High Achiever
Overachiever

:p

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I get the whole "achievements are achievements" thing, but why bother attaching a number to them if the number's not going to do anything? No one other than you can even see the number. Why not put the number to use or get rid of it entirely?

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You can see the number on lodestone.

I have over 4000 2.0 achievement points, and I think the e-peen boost I get from that is more than reward enough already.
Ah, I'm feeling rewarded right now ;p

I would personally just like for my achievements to show on Lodestone - unless they already do and I'm just totally not seeing it - the way they show on the armoury for WoW. I like browsing people's achievements to see what they've done and haven't done. It shows what kinda player they are, it's neat. :3

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Only players will 5000+ score are 1.0 players. Theres only like 5 people that are 7000-8000 score.

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there are people with 5k+ score that haven't played 1.0 and it's currently possible to have 6k+ if you add the total points up. also where'd you get those 5 people with 7k+ score from?

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Originally Posted by Fyana

I would personally just like for my achievements to show on Lodestone - unless they already do and I'm just totally not seeing it - the way they show on the armoury for WoW. I like browsing people's achievements to see what they've done and haven't done. It shows what kinda player they are, it's neat. :3

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Right side of the page, it has an Achievements tab, this Achievement History just below that title. It shows the last 3 the person earned, and when. It also has a 'See More' button to show the full list. If it isn't there, they have the option turned off.

It seems like this must have been a planned feature from the beginning. Otherwise, we wouldn't have those points. Their only purpose is to earn something-or-other that's not in game yet, so it currently feels like a half-completed feature that should either be removed or finished. My vote would be for finishing it, and giving these points a purpose.


Oh, and as far as the concern about 1.0 achievements goes, just don't set any of the reward levels high enough to actually require more points than are possible to get with 2.x achievements. Legacy players would have a head-start, but no additional exclusives.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Right side of the page, it has an Achievements tab, this Achievement History just below that title. It shows the last 3 the person earned, and when. It also has a 'See More' button to show the full list. If it isn't there, they have the option turned off.

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Ooh, thank you! That's why I didn't know, everyone I clicked until now said I don't have permission to view it. I figured it just meant the option wasn't there yet. :<

It'd be nice to have a screen that lets you compare someone's achievements to your own, though. I use that as a sort of a guide to find the one I'm looking for.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

I'd happy exchange 2000 of my achievement points for some commendations. They're so hard to raise as a DPS.

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Not really... you just need a kick-ass LB macro
http://s28.postimg.org/t3rg64c0d/needalight.jpg

Currently there are no plans to make achievement points have a use for something like tokens or items. The system is intended to be an element that you can enjoy and share with friends, and one which shows how much you've played FFXIV and what feats you have overcome.

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Currently there are no plans to make achievement points have a use for something like tokens or items. The system is intended to be an element that you can enjoy and share with friends, and one which shows how much you've played FFXIV and what feats you have overcome.

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I believe you misunderstand some of the sentiment here.

Many of us contest that this should not be a form of currency, but a long long term form of fame within the game, such as, every thousand or so points would offer a minion or mount or glamour (also from the master of the rolls npc), something trivial sure, but representative of our commitment to complete many obscure challenges, just like the subscription reward represents our commitment to simply continue subbing.

Achievements and achievement points should be more accessible as far as comparing and showing off. They don't need rewards or anything like that. Achiev's are bragging rights and should be just that much like the brutal raid. I wouldnt mind an announcement in party/fc/ls's or to link them in to chat or the ability to compare achiev's. BUT no they shouldnt award anything other then the points they give.

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Originally Posted by magenta_taco

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Originally Posted by Beetle

Only players will 5000+ score are 1.0 players. Theres only like 5 people that are 7000-8000 score.

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There are people with 5k+ score that haven't played 1.0 and it's currently possible to have 6k+ if you add the total points up. also where'd you get those 5 people with 7k+ score from?

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I updated my achievement spreadsheet. To be exact, these are the current totals

Max ARR Achievements - #741
Max ARR Achievement Points – 6,200

Legacy Achievements - #261
Legacy Achievement Points – 1,745

Total Achievements - #1002
Total Achievement Points – 7,945

(If you look up the Achievement Database on the Lodestone, it says the total achievements is 996, but this is wrong cause it doesn’t count the seasonal achievements and it has 3 achievements for the quest where you leave your home city – you can only ever get 1 of these. So 996 + 8 Seasonal – 2 Unobtainable = 1002)

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For me personally, I completed 214/261 Legacy achievements so my maximum possible that I can get is 955 achievements for 7,580 points

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Currently there are no plans to make achievement points have a use for something like tokens or items. The system is intended to be an element that you can enjoy and share with friends, and one which shows how much you've played FFXIV and what feats you have overcome.

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I would enjoy it more if I could rub it in my friends' faces.

Also, while I'm here...please get Slepnir implemented as a mount! I'd give 100 mantles for it!

Can we at least have achievement points total show up when we examine a player? Or would that be a memory issue?

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

I'd happy exchange 2000 of my achievement points for some commendations. They're so hard to raise as a DPS.

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Im at over 800 comms, and 90% of those were earned as BRD and MNK. So newp, not hard. All depends on your attitude and ability in df :)

Honestly I'm pretty happy with achievements as they are now. We already get rewards from individual achievements.

I agree with the fact that they're kinda pointless as they are now. I mean, why do we even have achievement points? We can't see how many others have, and even if we could, it's not a clear indicator of anything - there's no progress bar / max value visible and some achievements give more while some give less. Make it a number indicating the amount of completed/total achievements, that'd be much more straightforward for comparisons, if there are no plans to use the points for anything anyway.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

3 achievements for the quest where you leave your home city – you can only ever get 1 of these.

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Not true. I got "Gone from Gridania" in 1.0 and then changed my starting city to Limsa in ARR and got the "Leaving Limsa".
Here's a link to my achievements page to back that up: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...vement/kind/8/

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Not true. I got "Gone from Gridania" in 1.0 and then changed my starting city to Limsa in ARR and got the "Leaving Limsa".
Here's a link to my achievements page to back that up: http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...vement/kind/8/

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a one time exception for legacy players. Youll never get out of uldah, however.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

a one time exception for legacy players. Youll never get out of uldah, however.

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Until the next reboot... ;)

As someone who plays GW2 I'm actually in favour of this. While GW2 gave MF, EXP ((har har har)) +% bonuses ((which was terribly easy to come by and honestly pathetically low)), they also gave a choice of relatively exclusive weapon skins if people had more points.

If the points were to provide nothing more than vanity I'd say sure. Yes, there will be idiots who burn themselves out trying to get all the achievement points because uh... e-peen increment and vanity rewards are worth burning out for... I guess? Yes, there are rewards for unlocking achievements, but saying that you don't want any rewards is like saying that you don't want free gil.

... No really, you don't want free gil? (o_o)/

The points are an e-peen meter. It's your gamerscore and trophy level. You already get items as rewards for certain cheevos.

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Originally Posted by Duuude007

I believe you misunderstand some of the sentiment here.

Many of us contest that this should not be a form of currency, but a long long term form of fame within the game, such as, every thousand or so points would offer a minion or mount or glamour (also from the master of the rolls npc), something trivial sure, but representative of our commitment to complete many obscure challenges, just like the subscription reward represents our commitment to simply continue subbing.

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Yeah, like if we got shiney gold tools when we'd done a lot of gathering or synthing, or if we got special barding for looking after other peoples chocobos, or if we got like, an Apkullu minion for completeing something, or if we got GC specific gear for some achievements, or if we got nice titles we could show off, or even maybe like a special mount for having lots of commendations. That'd be awesome!!!! I wish SE would implement this ; ;

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

Not really, since 1.0 had achievements that haven't transferred to 2.0 yet, so 1.0 players can have an advantage using this, unless SE were to filter the points to only matter for 2.0 achievements.

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So let them have that. What's the big deal?

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Currently there are no plans to make achievement points have a use for something like tokens or items. The system is intended to be an element that you can enjoy and share with friends, and one which shows how much you've played FFXIV and what feats you have overcome.

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What better way to share your achievements than with a unique title that shows "how much you've played FFXIV and what feats you have overcome."

Just Sayin'. =D

Well, if they've decided they're not going to do anything with these numbers, then I think the numbers should be removed. I rather like the achievement system otherwise, but don't tack random numbers onto some of them if they're never going to mean anything. That's just confusing.

If people want a numeric score of how far along they are in the achievements, then make it actually show that. It'd be kind of cool to see how many we've completed, preferably (as BreathlessTao mentioned) as a ratio of completed/total achievements. They could do that both overall, and the completed/total for each category.

But the current system of just assigning meaningless numbers to some achievements (but not others) and then showing a total that isn't actually a total of anything just feels kind of broken.

At least with the useless point system on the WoW achievements, you get a feat of strength for reaching a specific total (It's over 9000; reaching 9000 total achievement points), it does absolutely nothing, and is rather easy to get nowdays, but still, it's something at least, lol. I agree with others that if there's nothing to build the points up towards, then it's kinda dumb to have them honestly.


That being said, as a console player, I'm going for both achievements and trophies, which surprises me that they're not linked there's lots of achievements that don't have trophies, and a few trophies that don't have an ingame counterpart

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Originally Posted by Danima

I like that idea, too. Either put the value (number) for an achievment totally away or give them a meaning ;)
Yeah...DCUO was pretty cool by giving one bonus stat point every 100 points. Maybe thats a little to much for FF ARR but maybe every 500 points? So u get like 4 points to spend at 2000 achievment points...nice to have but not imba. A tiny motivation to Finish up Some things but no force.
But yes...i like the Glamour idea, too! No silly crowns tho XDDD

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Stat points for achievements how can I put this . . . No


As for accumulated achievement points granting cosmetic rewards, minions, or mounts. I am all for that. It isn't going to break the game. You aren't going to get some piece of gear that suddenly makes you super viable in raiding. Some people like to chase achievements or just to kill time, I see no harm in expanding that play style as long as it remains cosmetic-type items.

As for why they are in game at all, I believe that all titles on Sony's systems, at least the systems with a trophy system in it, are required to have Achievements. This is one of the reasons that Monster Hunter stopped being a Sony exclusive and moved to Wii, the designer wanted people to play the game for what it was and not achievements. Or it could all be a rumor.

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Originally Posted by FriendlyUncle

As for why they are in game at all, I believe that all titles on Sony's systems, at least the systems with a trophy system in it, are required to have Achievements.

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The in-game achievement system is completely separate from the trophy system. The console versions of FFXIV:ARR have both, but they reward different things. There's a lot more achievements than there are trophies, and in general the actions that earn you one will not earn you the other.

I agree that achievement points are not to be used as currency but I would also agree that this would be a nice perk to have considering Guild Wars 2 has something very similar in place. Glamour(s), minion(s), mount(s) ect. maybe 1 of each obtainable through achievements earned that just unlocks once you reach the proper achievement number/total.