SMN Novus, what did you do!

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Originally Posted by SirSaber

In Ragnarok the Elemental IVs are worth like 15k ish gil.

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You need 600k gil for assassin IV, so yea, lets guess after 40h of nonstop farming you will get 1! Materia, luckily you fail when trying to add in scroll, so lets say 80h of farming...
but only if they buy it, sometimes you need to wait days untill someone bought yours.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

I made it myself by wanting to be a mostly crit build. I love crit and love seeing 1.8k Festers and Enkindles happening fairly often. This is how I want to build my character which is why I said "my BiS" rather then calling it the absolute best, but by the end of the day, it's really the Weapon Damage and the Intelligence (and accuracy) that matters more then anything

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Ya i really do like the amount of crit and just enough acc to do turn 9. I may try that build once i get the allgan book that and the earring with the legs and i have th build done all turn 9 items :(

Farming materia is really impractical with RNG.
I just corner markets. Shards in particular.
For a few weeks, I had the price of fire shards almost quadrupled.
Was making 300% outright profit for literally nothing.

Materias, however, are a harder commodity to manipulate because of the RNG nature.
Though I do need to look into it. Insane profit potential.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

If SMN runs out of MP there is something wrong in the group.

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Or they're in T8 where there's no "breaks" for MP like the other fights. I'm always starving for MP in that fight after maybe 7-8 minutes (heavy guesstimation) and we're practically at the end anyways. The point of Ruin 2 is to force the GCD so you can properly weave oGCD abilities. It's practically a DPS gain if you use it right

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Plus the fact that people arguing about such a low gain of secondary stats (when compared to the above) are rarely the best race (which gives better primary stats, which are obviously much better than secondary) for the job.

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I know, right. Duskwight Elezen here! You don't get to argue that you're hardcore minmaxing if you're playing a kitty!

Seriously, having a bit of accuracy will allow for a bit more flexibility in gearing strategies when new gear is introduced. Going full out Crit/Det isn't a bad strategy, but going Crit/Det/Acc is equally sound.

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Originally Posted by Drasyra

I know, right. Duskwight Elezen here! You don't get to argue that you're hardcore minmaxing if you're playing a kitty!

Seriously, having a bit of accuracy will allow for a bit more flexibility in gearing strategies when new gear is introduced. Going full out Crit/Det isn't a bad strategy, but going Crit/Det/Acc is equally sound.

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more or less like this, SMN need higher acc than BLM and as OP say with high acc give more breath for the next content

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Originally Posted by Drasyra

I know, right. Duskwight Elezen here! You don't get to argue that you're hardcore minmaxing if you're playing a kitty!

Seriously, having a bit of accuracy will allow for a bit more flexibility in gearing strategies when new gear is introduced. Going full out Crit/Det isn't a bad strategy, but going Crit/Det/Acc is equally sound.

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The first half of your statement makes me just stagger :p I'd gladly take a few less into to not look like a pretentious arse in every pose/cast/breath I take as an elezen. Yes I tried it and the DPS increase was... well not even noticeable.

Besides, one could make an argument that not having that extra bit makes you work harder to compensate and overcome that as best as one can. Leading the extra int to almost be a crutch possibly (oh boy here comes da flames :p).

The second half of your statement I agree with. Sound statement.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Or they're in T8 where there's no "breaks" for MP like the other fights. I'm always starving for MP in that fight after maybe 7-8 minutes (heavy guesstimation) and we're practically at the end anyways. The point of Ruin 2 is to force the GCD so you can properly weave oGCD abilities. It's practically a DPS gain if you use it right

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I am not starving, and i done T8, but sure... i must be wrong, yes?
You may try an other rotation?

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

I am not starving, and i done T8, but sure... i must be wrong, yes?
You may try an other rotation?

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When I play SMN, if it's not T7, I'm going all out. I'm using ALL the tools at my disposal. Ruin 2 before every oGCD ability (Fester, Rouse, Spur, Enkindle), Miasma 2 + HQ Potent Poison Potions before every Contagion, HQ Elixirs; If I have to use Energy Drain even once I know my DPS is going to drop, it's one less Fester and a loss to sustained DPS.

Imo, if it's worth doing it's worth overdoing. If your bard plays songs on set intervals (including Ballad into the mix) then your MP isn't going to tank, Our designated song Bard doesn't, he cares more about his own DPS and only plays Paeon at set intervals. Me and the healers (if they have to raise our BLM and MNK constantly) have to beg for Ballad practically.

There's no "other rotation" when I'm already using everything given to me to keep my DPS high for the sake of the group.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

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If you only look it that way then nothing is worth.
If I would think your way I would not even start doing atmas because you either get an atma or nothing at all.

Why not just spiritbound for the money? And you will get money even if you had an unlucky pick.
Also when I said I go spiritbound equipment I didn't mean 1 equipment.
I only keep my mains weapon and a meteor ring equiped everything else is ilvl49 white gear to convert.
So that's 9 items in that 1h of spiritbonding and only if you're dead unlucky you'll only see elementals otherwise you'll get interesting stuff.

I'll leave it at that, just wanted to share my opinion on using materia iv for novus which I find to be the way to go.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

I am not starving, and i done T8, but sure... i must be wrong, yes?
You may try an other rotation?

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I'll say it plain and simple. If you do T8 and you don't get MP starved at one point where Ballad would be needed, you're doing it wrong.

@NintenPyjak64: It becomes way too off topic and i will not follow your "I am better than you path"...
Its on you if you consider my suggestion if not, well then nothing i can do here any more!
Do you have a stram from your combat? It would make analysing it much simpler, there are other factors that are playing a role and not only your rotation of skills.

Just a sidenote: you said to "force GCD" and that was something that let me think your rotation is wrong, your GCD should never "sleep" ... whatever - if it works for you, fine, i do no care!

@Dwill: I say it again: If a SMN gets problems with mana there is something wrong in the group! (spaming Ruin II may explains it too)

@SirSaber: Because to get gil its easier and much faster to do it otherwise, easily getting on Ragnarok 6M - you just need to be one of the first sellers

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

@Dwill: I say it again: If a SMN gets problems with mana there is something wrong in the group! (spaming Ruin II may explains it too)

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We're not talking about spamming, we're talking about weaving it between GCD. Huge difference.

@SirSaber Perhaps other people do other things for gil (like crafting) SB is not the best money making method and it's not a reliable way to get IVs. If someone considers a bit of extra crit/det to be worth the effort of farming 5-~10+ millions (depending on server) then to each their own :P

@Yukiko Unless your bard is using ballad very often it's hard to believe you don't have MP issues in battles where you fight non-stop. I really recommend trying out using ruin 2 before using a skill that is not in your GCD, it's a DPS increase overall. If you use (for example) ruin > fester > ruin > enkindle you will be using at least three GCD times, but if you use replace ruin with ruin II you will be able to use those 'out of GCD' abilities BEFORE your GCD is up, you don't have to spam ruin II, just use it before these special skills.

Not asking you to believe me, but just please try it on a training dummy.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

ruin > fester > ruin > enkindle

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Yea i know, and thats why i said to try another rotation...
And sorry, thats Ruin II spam...

Yes training dummy is my friend, and if it works for you, i dont have problems with it, why starting a discussion?

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Yea i know, and thats why i said to try another rotation...
And sorry, thats Ruin II spam...

Yes training dummy is my friend, and if it works for you, i dont have problems with it, why starting a discussion?

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It was an example, but if you're getting this defensive over a suggestion alright then.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

It was an example, but if you're getting this defensive over a suggestion alright then.

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Do you even know what you are talking?
Look at Date, i am repeating myself and its not getting defensive, i try to stop this off-tpoic bullshit...

Does it work for you?
Yes, then its fine!
No, then try it out!

You comming with an example of rotation is good, but we were talking about Ruin II spaming.
You say it is not spaming, i say it is, so we cleared that part of missunderstanding, next please?

I dont expect to stop this stupid discussion from Dwill but that you are that sort of player too... havnt expected.

Edit: Back then in 2.0 when we were on T5 struggling i switched from Ruin II rotation to Ruin rotation, but thats another story and its fun you are on that edge now :)

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Do you even know what you are talking?
Look at Date, i am repeating myself and its not getting defensive, i try to stop this off-tpoic bullshit...

Does it work for you?
Yes, then its fine!
No, then try it out!

You comming with an example of rotation is good, but we were talking about Ruin II spaming.
You say it is not spaming, i say it is, so we cleared that part of missunderstanding, next please?

I dont expect to stop this stupid discussion from Dwill but that you are that sort of player too... havnt expected.

Edit: Back then in 2.0 when we were on T5 struggling i switched from Ruin II rotation to Ruin rotation, but thats another story and its fun you are on that edge now :)

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Spamming = Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II > Ruin II
Weaving = Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II > Aetherflow > Ruin II > Rouse > Ruin II > Spur

But hey, if you don't want to perform optimally, that's all up to you.