Please Make Players Immune To Heavy When Mounted

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

If players will be immune to heavy, I just will think about hordes of level 1 players running around all maps to unlock aetherites.
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And?

Why would this be terrible? It's not like you can sequence-break the game by going to places. It's not like you can unlock things that aren't supposed to be unlocked. Why the hell would letting people find aetherytes at low level be a bad thing? What affect does it even have on anything whatsoever?

If being slowed while mounted was a way to make us 'notice' the environment, why not simply make players dismount when hit and then they have to kill the mobs?

My view is either SE removes it or converts this to an auto dismount - at present, it is neither 'here nor there' kind of a situation.

So we should be able to just plow through dozens of mobs with no worries?

I think that if they remove heavy they should have mobs only deaggro at zonelines instead.

If I remember right, in ffxi while riding a chocobo, mobs did not attack or chase you at all. Kinda strange how everything went easier access in this game compared to ffxi. With mounted travel, ffxiv went the opposite direction. It does get annoying after awhile.

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

And?
Why would this be terrible?

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That's not terrible, but I think it removes the fear to run on maps ten times higher level than you. I too have fun to go unlock places unreasonable when I were in low levels. But do it with almost the security to succeed, isn't so much fun, it is as asking to start game with everything already unlocked.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

If players will be immune to heavy, I just will think about hordes of level 1 players running around all maps to unlock aetherites.
/notsigned

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I'm pretty sure that's not how it works.

I agree that Heavy is annoying. On the other hand, without it, you could just ride straight through any zone without worrying at all about the mobs. With the possibility of the Heavy annoyance, at least you have incentive to try and avoid the mobs, which makes sense and provides a bit of challenge when navigating a zone for the beastman dailies.

I certainly would not want a more penal effect, such as forced dismount.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

That's not terrible, but I think it removes the fear to run on maps ten times higher level than you. I too have fun to go unlock places unreasonable when I were in low levels. But do it with almost the security to succeed, isn't so much fun, it is as asking to start game with everything already unlocked.

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I just don't see why the game wants to interrupt my attempts to leave by slapping me with stupid debuffs.

I am done in Zahar'ak and now I want to go.

I am not wading through killing every single mob between me and the exit because that would take an hour and I don't have an unlimited amount of time to play this game. I would rather minimize the amount of playtime that is wasted on things like riding my mount in a straight line trying to exit the daily quest area. Heavy does the exact opposite of that. It wastes more of my time on nothing. It doesn't make anything more threatening, just more tedious.

No. BUT, they should make a breed-able chocobo (Green? Since we won't be able to go over any mountains) that is immune to changes in runspeed.

It's simple.

You make it so mobs that have a lower level than you cannot heavy you.

This way if you're a low level, you still have to fear the high level areas while getting rid of the annoyance for level 50s.

This thread brings up so many fun ideas lol! While mounted:

-At Thanalan your mount can get really thirsty so you will have to find some waterway to quench its thirst or it starts to slow down/lose HP.
-At the Shroud your mount can get poisoned or rooted by all the vegetation so you need to be careful where you run
-At La Noscea...well that place is beautiful so no effects :D

How about just making an "I've killed your kind so many times that there is no way you are killing me token or something."? You could even make it part of a Relic upgrade or something. Make it so after you kill a certain mob 1k times (or even more) with whatever weapon, armor, etc. that those won't agro you anymore.

How about leaving it as it is. Not everything needs to be face-roll. The open world is already kind of neutered and silly given that you can run thru places that you have no business of being in. A little bit of threat from the open world is NOT a problem.

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Originally Posted by Foo01

How about leaving it as it is. Not everything needs to be face-roll. The open world is already kind of neutered and silly given that you can run thru places that you have no business of being in. A little bit of threat from the open world is NOT a problem.

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But it's not a threat, just an annoyance.

After all the criticism the overworld gets for being inconsequential, this just seems amusing to me. Last I checked, monsters don't really care about whether or not they annoy you.

It comes across like "Ugh, Final Fantasy IV, they totally should have put an option to turn off random encounters. I'm just trying to get from the whale ship to the crystal palace and don't need to fight any of these monsters and it's a waste of my time. They aren't a threat, they're just an annoyance."

Somehow I can't agree with the implication of "opting out" of the overworld altogether, given we already have teleport and automated-mount mechanics that half-way do that anyway. Throw in being able to queue up for dungeons from anywhere, and I'm forced to wonder how much more streamlined this game really needs to be.

Honestly I think they should implement a boost of some sort for mounts like they did in FFXII.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

It's simple.

You make it so mobs that have a lower level than you cannot heavy you.

This way if you're a low level, you still have to fear the high level areas while getting rid of the annoyance for level 50s.

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I hope they put some level 51-53 enemies into the lv 48-50 areas

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Originally Posted by Alukah

But it's not a threat, just an annoyance.

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It is fun to work around the monster than can potentially "heavy/slow" you. You need to look and see how to route around them, that in itself is a fun mini game. Seeing how you can sneak around their butt and backside, or using elevation to jump over them so they don't notice, those are all fun aspects. The annoyance is the penalty for screwing up, or would rather be completely dead so the threat is more real? And it is good that even high level players have are not immune, not everything needs to be a face-roll all the time.

I'm not against the mechanic itself. However, duration of the heavy needs to be scaled based on character level vs monster level. It's kind of silly getting 30 seconds of heavy from a lvl 41 mob on a lvl 50. Their attacks generally don'e even overcome autorefresh. Add in the fact that those mobs can be killed in 3 ws: i.e. 7.5 seconds. Either scaling the duration or perhaps introducing a mechanic so that heavy drops when the monster that applied it dies would be beneficial. in that way....want to get rid of the pesky heavy? kill the mob and move on.

I get annoyed that heavy can be re-applied while mounted, so when I have 2 seconds left I can be hit with it AGAIN and it resets the debuff.

I've gotten in the habit of jumping off and sprinting when I see a lot of enemies ahead

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Originally Posted by Foo01

How about leaving it as it is. Not everything needs to be face-roll. The open world is already kind of neutered and silly given that you can run thru places that you have no business of being in. A little bit of threat from the open world is NOT a problem.

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Except there's no threat. I never felt the need to get off the choco and proceed to murder everything in sight when hit with heavy. I just keep going, a little bit slower. This isn't a group of guys trying to carjack you, it's just an inexplicably slow speed limit in a section of road.

Regardless of how intentional it was to add this to the game, that doesn't negate the fact that there are quite a few players who want it removed. Just because something is working as intended doesn't mean we shouldn't bother to speak up about something we don't like about the game.

NB4 Camate tells us the dev team has no plans to remove Heavy from the game at this time.

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Originally Posted by Mayh

I get annoyed that heavy can be re-applied while mounted, so when I have 2 seconds left I can be hit with it AGAIN and it resets the debuff.

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And doesn't it *always* seem to happen right before the mob leaves the aggro radius and gets that last ranged attack in that you know it was nowhere near in range to be able to do it? :p

I think Heavy is pointless for this reason: You are still faster than the mobs while weighed down. You're still able to outrun them. Ranged will slowly peck at you, but you'll be regening health while running and you'll eventually be out of range because they still can't keep up with you. Boggles the mind.

It was intentionally designed to work that way. Notice how you don't get heavy when not mounted? It was added in so that you can't just run through mobs whilst running faster. Want to run through an area and not get heavied? Try running instead of riding.

The only change I'd like to see, is heavy only being applied after x amount of damage. Nothing worse than taking hardly any damage but somehow your chocobo is affected by that. It'd have much more effect if areas had mobs that were higher level than 50, too. Something to really make areas feel a little more dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Themis

It was intentionally designed to work that way. Notice how you don't get heavy when not mounted? It was added in so that you can't just run through mobs whilst running faster. Want to run through an area and not get heavied? Try running instead of riding.

The only change I'd like to see, is heavy only being applied after x amount of damage. Nothing worse than taking hardly any damage but somehow your chocobo is affected by that. It'd have much more effect if areas had mobs that were higher level than 50, too. Something to really make areas feel a little more dangerous.

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Personally, I like how WoW does it. There's always a random chance to get dismounted entirely even while flying, and afterwards you are slowed for a few seconds. In some areas you have to sort of think of how you wish to proceed.

The only thing about the Heavy status that I really don't care for is the 20sec duration. That seems a little long given that lv41 mobs can essentially spam it on you with their .5 sec cast time.

I hate it too, but I think it should be left as is. In XI we couldn't get agro when on our Chocobo. But they were all rentals unless you raised a semi-lame one and could only ride it on a timer. I'd much rather be vulnerable on my chocobo and have instant constant access to it, and all our other fun mounts.

If you are getting "heavy" while on your chocobo, you are not selecting the best route. If you insist on running in front of the faces of monster you deserve what you get. Think of the monsters a orange cones, and you are running an obstacle course, kind of like the timed driving competition thru a set of cones. You want to get to your destination in as short a route as possible but not while running over the cones which will incur penalties. It is a fun mini game, and the heavy is just a time penalty really not much to cry about. Now if they can only have sanctions chocobo races with gates and check points in the open world and race for prizes.

Let us meld "Chocobo Down Materia" (yes it exists) to the mount's armor. That has Heavy Resistance +2 attributes and can be used to lower the amount of time we have Heavy on us or resist the next wave of several other mobs casting heavy on us until the initial cast has worn off. I would be cool with that.

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Originally Posted by WintersMoondancer

Let us meld "Chocobo Down Materia" (yes it exists) to the mount's armor. That has Heavy Resistance +2 attributes and can be used to lower the amount of time we have Heavy on us or resist the next wave of several other mobs casting heavy on us until the initial cast has worn off. I would be cool with that.

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Something like this make sense, rather than just doing away with it or you get auto-immune for being level 50. Getting a reduction because you earned it makes lots of sense. And it also make sense that healers can esuna or leech it off while mounted and do it for other members of the party, so it would encourage riding parties. It would be fun to see groups of riding parties running thru the open world.