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Barrage + all other cooldowns has the highest dps burst of any class. Can quickly rip hate off tanks right at the start if you don't use quelling.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Foe helps a bit with summoner but it helps most with black mage. The bigger the damage, the more the 10/20% adds.

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Except that SMN is the bigger damage of the two, unless you're talking about large group AOE.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Except that SMN is the bigger damage of the two, unless you're talking about large group AOE.

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I said burst damage.

Summoner does bigger numbers but lower burst dps. Even if you dot and fester 3 times, it won't match the damage output of barrage, bloodletters and all those cooldowns. But that damage for Bard only lasts for a few seconds and it's not convenient to wait for all the cooldowns for it. So it's something Bard can only do at the very start of the battle.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

I said burst damage.

Summoner does bigger numbers but lower burst dps. Even if you dot and fester 3 times, it won't match the damage output of barrage, bloodletters and all those cooldowns. But that damage for Bard only lasts for a few seconds and it's not convenient to wait for all the cooldowns for it. So it's something Bard can only do at the very start of the battle.

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Huh, what? No, I was specifically responding to your claim that Foe helps BLM more than SMN because BLM has bigger numbers, which is false all around unless dealing with large group AOE. That's why I quoted the sentence I did. >_>

hey all thanks for posting this Im def. going to take that advice!

Question here. What's the stat weight for bard I have the mnk and drg from easymodex. I'd like to know for brd I'll b working on brd next

I love when people come around and try to tell a brd how to be a brd. Much to the effect I would love to tell OP how to properly spell instead of using phone text language. It is "Why" not "y" and "I" not "i", lastly it is "that" not "dat." I could go on as there is still more ammo to do so with, but that is aside the point of the thread.

While there may be bad players out there on every job in the game, it doesn't mean that all of them are bad. In fact, more often than not, the majority of players will outweigh the bad players. Just because you run into a handful of bad players who don't know how to utilize their job, or because you think a brd should be singing a song every chance they have, doesn't mean you know what that job should be doing. It would be like me talking about how a blm, whm, sch, or smn should be doing even though I do not play that job myself.

Can I criticize a job I swap between often? Yes, because I play them often enough to know their role myself giving the option to critic another player if they don't seem to or are obviously not doing all that they should be doing. What you bring to the table, is a biased unknowing view of the job. What you think you know and think should be done is not feasible or going to change enough to make a large impact on how the fight progresses.

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just a few facts:
- foe buffed = 20% more dmg for your caster(s) (Very useful yes, but most times I will buff a ballad before I will buff a foe. Over pushing a DPS check can be just as bad as not meeting it in some fights)
-Paeon is another 30 tp every tick on top of the usual 60 ( If you need to use this when you shouldn't have need, then there is something wrong with the group you're in. To date there are very few times this will be beneficial to use over other songs.)
-ballad tops off your healers, opening room for "oops" rez, or maybe dps (If your healers need to be "topped off" it better be in the proper phase or phase shift. Personally I don't use ballad to increase my healers DPS, I use foes and then ballad between running to next spot in dungeons

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Timing is everything when it comes to using songs, and more importantly what songs to use. Every song at a brds disposal is not going to be up all the time, or for extended periods most times. There are phases of the fight that you'll want Foe, phases you'll pop ballad, and in rare cases (highly dependant on what fight it is and make up) paeon. Most times it is for short bursts at a time, just small recovery points or damage burst.

It irritates me when I see someone call for a song that isn't needed or isn't the right time for because they want it then and there. If they need it too soon, that is an issue with the group. I could care less if someone is going to out DPS me if I put foe up, that is the point of the song..to assist. I will get annoyed if I see a healer spamming chat for ballad when they have 60% or more mp and it isn't in a phase that would best suit ballad cause it means that the group is taking too much damage or the healer doesn't know how to manage their MP cause they use the wrong cures causing over cure and waste of mp.

So each job do the other jobs a favor and seriously don't tell them how to play their job cause you want them to play it that way without knowing the proper cause to why they play the way they do. This holds a great deal of truth when you (looking at you OP) state very clearly you are a career job and have no desire to be another job if given the choice. No one cares how many years you've been playing, what MMO you've played, or what level of endgame accomplishment you've attained if you have no clue about timing your abilities. Doesn't mean you know diddly about a class you have no intention of playing in a primary role scenario let alone could be looked on to fill as a secondary choice if need be.

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

I love when people come around and try to tell a brd how to be a brd. Much to the effect I would love to tell OP how to properly spell instead of using phone text language. It is "Why" not "y" and "I" not "i", lastly it is "that" not "dat." I could go on as there is still more ammo to do so with, but that is aside the point of the thread.

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^This is the first thing I was planning on responding to.
As a new player, and relatively new to MMOs, I have nothing more to comment on other than the awful grammar.
(pretty sure this is also my first post on the board - woo!)

Some good advice within for new bards though, I wouldn't discount it straight away even if you're a Vet let alone a new player

I saw a comment about TP songs pretty much never being necessary. If you are maximizing DPS on BRD (t8) you are likely to run out of TP within about 4 minutes even with well timed invigorates. TP song is very necessary for BRD and DRG in such situations. MNK can usually go a bit longer. If you want to conserve in t8 when you're 300 or below you could avoid using a few heavy shots and just use Bloodletter if it procs before reapplying straight shot and your dots. But even then you'll still need to help out your DRG and eventually MNK. And I know my group's tank gets pretty low on TP in t8 as well. Last time we beat enrage by over a minute so we're doing something right. Provided your healers don't need ballad at the same time it's better for the party if you use a TP song as opposed to reducing your rotation. If ballad is required then removing two heavy shots from the rotation may be the best route to maximize DPS while conserving TP.

Another situation where TP song is useful is while you're spamming aoe (t4 bugs, t5 snakes) or during a transition after applying lots of dots (adds and spumes in Levi ex). Or even Brayflox speed runs in a BRD + DRG config. You could be more TP efficient and let the caster (assuming there is one) handle most of the aoe for t4 and t5. But if you're looking to boost your numbers just because you can, TP songs are very useful in these situations. The ability to spam your aoe for much longer is generally greater than the 20% reduction in damage. It'll also allow melee to spam their aoe without killing their TP for the rest of the fight. Very useful if you don't have a caster or the caster, for whatever reason, isn't using their aoe in some random PF group.

In Levi it can be done without reducing your DPS by 20% as you'll generally be able to use your TP song during a transition. When Levi is diving, if DPS is slow, or after 1st set of spumes, if DPS is good and skips phases.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

I saw a comment about TP songs pretty much never being necessary. If you are maximizing DPS on BRD (t8) you are likely to run out of TP within about 4 minutes even with well timed invigorates. TP song is very necessary for BRD and DRG in such situations. MNK can usually go a bit longer. If you want to conserve in t8 when you're 300 or below you could avoid using a few heavy shots and just use Bloodletter if it procs before reapplying straight shot and your dots. But even then you'll still need to help out your DRG and eventually MNK. And I know my group's tank gets pretty low on TP in t8 as well. Last time we beat enrage by over a minute so we're doing something right. Provided your healers don't need ballad at the same time it's better for the party if you use a TP song as opposed to reducing your rotation. If ballad is required then removing two heavy shots from the rotation may be the best route to maximize DPS while conserving TP.

Another situation where TP song is useful is while you're spamming aoe (t4 bugs, t5 snakes) or during a transition after applying lots of dots (adds and spumes in Levi ex). Or even Brayflox speed runs in a BRD + DRG config. You could be more TP efficient and let the caster (assuming there is one) handle most of the aoe for t4 and t5. But if you're looking to boost your numbers just because you can, TP songs are very useful in these situations. The ability to spam your aoe for much longer is generally greater than the 20% reduction in damage. It'll also allow melee to spam their aoe without killing their TP for the rest of the fight. Very useful if you don't have a caster or the caster, for whatever reason, isn't using their aoe in some random PF group.

In Levi it can be done without reducing your DPS by 20% as you'll generally be able to use your TP song during a transition. When Levi is diving, if DPS is slow, or after 1st set of spumes, if DPS is good and skips phases.

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I'm not going to tell anyone how to play their class. With that said, I've never had to pop TP songs unless the DRG dies, even on T8. I generally run FR a couple times that fight. I pop Invigorate as soon as I get below 600, and by time I get low again, it's off CD. I'm not sure what rotation our DRG is doing on T8, but I know we are doing enough DPS to skip phases in T8, and we get 4 rocks total in P1 of T9, so I don't think their rotation is an issue since all the DPS are relatively competitive.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

In Levi it can be done without reducing your DPS by 20% as you'll generally be able to use your TP song during a transition. When Levi is diving, if DPS is slow, or after 1st set of spumes, if DPS is good and skips phases.

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Most of the Levi groups I join I never even Invigorate. Only time I do is if we skip more than one transition in a row. You shouldn't be getting so low that you need Paeon.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Most of the Levi groups I join I never even Invigorate. Only time I do is if we skip more than one transition in a row. You shouldn't be getting so low that you need Paeon.

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And what are your numbers like, if you don't mind me asking? I get low from using dots over and over. If I stay single target then I wouldn't need to invigorate or possibly even paeon during a transition.

Applying dots over and over to 3 targets goes like this. ss, wb, vb, wb, vb, wb, vb, reset. That's a lot of TP. Do you need to play like this? No. But It's quite effective.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

I'm not going to tell anyone how to play their class. With that said, I've never had to pop TP songs unless the DRG dies, even on T8. I generally run FR a couple times that fight. I pop Invigorate as soon as I get below 600, and by time I get low again, it's off CD. I'm not sure what rotation our DRG is doing on T8, but I know we are doing enough DPS to skip phases in T8, and we get 4 rocks total in P1 of T9, so I don't think their rotation is an issue since all the DPS are relatively competitive.

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And what is your 'rotation' like for t8? And numbers? Very curious. Video would be great if you have it.

Feel free to tell me what I'm doing wrong that I get low on TP, and you never need to use TP song at all. Here is a video.

http://www.twitch.tv/rinchannau/c/4172259

I don't mind sharing my spamming. Learning is good. Thanks.

I have a video up for our first kill, but that was before I started using X-Ether instead of X-Dex. I'll try and record again tomorrow, but I am 4th on DPS and usually average between 315-320 on T8. The top DPS average around 360-375 or so. I know last week, our raid DPS was like 1805 or something like that, and I believe it included a death or two. Let me watch and see if I see anything that stand outs. Please note, I am not saying I am God's gift to Bard's. I'll be the first to admit there are plenty of bard's better than I am.

I will be switching to ether pots for this coming week too. And I definitely screwed up in this kill video when I ran low on TP. I should have kept applying dots but did not. So my strategy if I am low on TP will be different this coming week. I'll apply my dots, as I should, and skip a few heavy shots and just hit my BL procs if they happen during that dead time. Though with the ether pots I should be able to get TP up more easily and not have this happen.

Where I am coming from is that in a BRD 'rotation' maximizing DPS you will burn roughly 400 TP a minute or even a bit more. Invigorate is 400 TP every 2 minutes. The numbers don't add up for you being able to go 10 minutes attacking without TP song unless perhaps you are modifying your rotation and skipping a few heavy shots as I mentioned I may try this coming week, if needed. Are you?

Sounds like our group had similar damage output. We downed it 63 seconds before enrage this past week.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

And what are your numbers like, if you don't mind me asking? I get low from using dots over and over. If I stay single target then I wouldn't need to invigorate or possibly even paeon during a transition.

Applying dots over and over to 3 targets goes like this. ss, wb, vb, wb, vb, wb, vb, reset. That's a lot of TP. Do you need to play like this? No. But It's quite effective.


And what is your 'rotation' like for t8? And numbers? Very curious. Video would be great if you have it.

Feel free to tell me what I'm doing wrong that I get low on TP, and you never need to use TP song at all. Here is a video.

http://www.twitch.tv/rinchannau/c/4172259

I don't mind sharing my spamming. Learning is good. Thanks.

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Couple things I noted.

• You never used repelling shot. That is free DPS since there is no TP cost
• When the dreadnaught spawned, you didn't apply either DOT. You also let the dot's fall off the boss
• Toward the end of the fight (Like from 7:20 on), you seemed to just stop DOTing all together.

Keeping the DOT's will help get more Bloodletter procs. This is off GCD, but will get your numbers up.

Also, and this is the part where I haven't done enough research, so I could be wrong, is that when I start the fight, I open with Straight Shot and Bloodletter, and then use all my CD's, and then apply DOT's. The reason for this is that the damage is calculated at the application, so with all CD's going, your damage will keep going even after the buffs drop. After that, I generally use my CD's when they come off.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

And what are your numbers like, if you don't mind me asking? I get low from using dots over and over. If I stay single target then I wouldn't need to invigorate or possibly even paeon during a transition.

Applying dots over and over to 3 targets goes like this. ss, wb, vb, wb, vb, wb, vb, reset. That's a lot of TP. Do you need to play like this? No. But It's quite effective.

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Been about a week since I've played, but as I recall it's usually around 220-240. As far as multi-dotting, I'm somewhat lax about it. I'll usually keep both dots on tail, put two dots on one add, and put one dot on the other (who dies too fast for th second dot to matter). For spumes, I usually find that (on the first set at least) it's more beneficial to focus fire than to multi-dot.

But, yeah, multi-dotting is really taxing. If they last long enough to be efficient, though, it's usually totally worth it.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

I will be switching to ether pots for this coming week too. And I definitely screwed up in this kill video when I ran low on TP. I should have kept applying dots but did not. So my strategy if I am low on TP will be different this coming week. I'll apply my dots, as I should, and skip a few heavy shots and just hit my BL procs if they happen during that dead time. Though with the ether pots I should be able to get TP up more easily and not have this happen.

Where I am coming from is that in a BRD 'rotation' maximizing DPS you will burn roughly 400 TP a minute or even a bit more. Invigorate is 400 TP every 2 minutes. The numbers don't add up for you being able to go 10 minutes attacking without TP song unless perhaps you are modifying your rotation and skipping a few heavy shots as I mentioned I may try this coming week, if needed. Are you?

Sounds like our group had similar damage output. We downed it 63 seconds before enrage this past week.

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I'll try and get a new video done this week. Our first kill was really hectic, and I was focusing more on mechanic's than I was my rotation. Even then, I wasn't having TP issues, and I clipped a few times pretty badly. Here is the kill video from a couple of weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Been about a week since I've played, but as I recall it's usually around 220-240. As far as multi-dotting, I'm somewhat lax about it. I'll usually keep both dots on tail, put two dots on one add, and put one dot on the other (who dies too fast for th second dot to matter). For spumes, I usually find that (on the first set at least) it's more beneficial to focus fire than to multi-dot.

But, yeah, multi-dotting is really taxing. If they last long enough to be efficient, though, it's usually totally worth it.

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Well, as inefficient as I may be with TP, I often get around 280-310 in Levi ex. Maybe if zero phases are pushed then 270 at the lowest. Having a DRG doesn't hurt if there happens to be one in the PF group. I do a bit of streaming so I can make a 'highlight' sometime, but I follow the rotation I previously mentioned for 3 targets. Nothing special, IMO.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

Well, as inefficient as I may be with TP, I often get around 280-310 in Levi ex. Maybe if zero phases are pushed then 270 at the lowest. Having a DRG doesn't hurt if there happens to be one in the PF group. I do a bit of streaming so I can make a 'highlight' sometime, but I follow the rotation I previously mentioned for 3 targets. Nothing special, IMO.

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Yeah, I'm lucky to get a DRG, honestly. And it looks like you significantly outgear me. >_>

Also curious, do you wind up singing at all? It's not much, but that's 6-9 seconds where I'm not attacking.

And not taking in to account that I'm really going to need to run another LX to make sure my numbers earlier were right to start with. >_>

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Yeah, I'm lucky to get a DRG, honestly. And it looks like you significantly outgear me. >_>

Also curious, do you wind up singing at all? It's not much, but that's 6-9 seconds where I'm not attacking.

And not taking in to account that I'm really going to need to run another LX to make sure my numbers earlier were right to start with. >_>

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Yep. I run foe's as much as possible to help push phases. Ballad during the two button press/shield phases if needed. Or at any point during the fight if a healer dies I will run ballad. I guess one could squeeze out a little more if they never run foe's, but I'm not that selfish, haha. If you want to run foe's while still maximizing your personal up time you can put it up right before Levi's slam. It is possible and usually what I do before the last caster add. Start in the middle and then run the the edge of the circle for whichever side you need to be on. Immediately put up foe's before the slam. You won't fall off from this spot.

Ok, here is the video from tonight. I still didn't do my best, because it was getting late for me. I was low man on the totem pole for DPS and was at 318.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

Ok, here is the video from tonight. I still didn't do my best, because it was getting late for me. I was low man on the totem pole for DPS and was at 318.

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Good vid there, I was particularly keen because personally I'm at the danger zone of zero TP - partly because I have a much higher skill spd due to crafted gears (at one point my GCD was at 2.31s).

I've watched the video, I think towards the 5th and a half minute you were at 30TP left before your Invigorate refreshed (that's a little danger there). Subsequently at 5:58, there was a long period of time, close to 10s you weren't using any TP skills - cos you were trying to get your OGCD to fire off which somehow it doesn't, probably due to lag/latency. After which, at 6:20 and also at 6:44 and also later parts (which I didn't bother to take down the timing, cos I have gotten the idea already), there were short periods of non TP expenditure due to attempt to fire OGCD (saw you spamming the OGCD skill for like 3s before it fires off) which faces lag which probably explains why you didn't starve, which I expected you would given that you almost zeroed at 5th and a half mintue.

I hope you don't get me wrong thou, I'm just extremely curious on how other bards manage TP on T8. As of this moment I'd still have quite some SS above you and I don't think I can escape the TP starve (plus I didn't have much of those lag spikes so my TP expenditure seems to be more constant) :/

We run 2 BRDs for T8 too, with the lesser geared BRD (he's our main WAR) focusing on MP/TP songs while I purely foe. He'll need to do short burst of Paeon for me and the MNK to sustain our TP. Was doing about 331 range according to ACT (if there's no Paeon I think numbers would drop greatly).

I don't normally encounter lag, but I think some of the delay was due to recording and ACT running as well. My current GCD is 2.43, and I'm still rocking the Wave Bow (been trying to hold out for High Allagan). If the bow doesn't drop this week, I have the tome and the soldiery for the bow, so will probably end up picking that up.

Thanks for the video. Ooshima makes some good points. I generally try to not stop attacking at all. You sometimes leave a lot of dead space while handling mechanics or buffing. That helps with the TP issue. Not saying that's good or bad. I will be skipping a few heavy shots tonight and just using BL and whatever other off GCDs when they proc if I am low on TP and am unable to run a TP song at the time. That'll save me 120 TP per 'rotation'.

Our group configs also differ greatly. 1 melee, 2 BRD, 2 casters for you. 3 melee, 1 BRD, 1 caster for us. So making sure everyone is good on TP is probably more important for our group since we only have 1 caster. After opening w/ foe's I am unlikely to use it again during the fight.

I'll try to remember to stream tonight so I can make a 'highlight'. I've been working on modifying my 'opener' a bit. And there is one more change I may make. Just need to practice on dummies a bit more.

Kinda curious about numbers for the rest of the group if you are the lowest at 318. We downed it 63 seconds before enrage. Your group seemed to complete it in almost the same amount of time, but our lowest two were in the 290-300 range and our #3 was 318. Then again, these numbers are never totally accurate.

Sorry, I was incorrect with me being lowest. The other BRD was lowest. Our top DPS died, so that killed the DPS since he had just popped CD. I have the screenshot at home, but I think the others were in the 350-370 range. I'll have to watch the video again. Normally I try not clip DOT's, and if I know an add or burn portion is coming, I'll throttle a little so that I can get a good jump on it. Like I said, not the greatest BRD in the world, but I am certainly capable. I'll have to look at the dead space you were mentioning. It was getting late for me qnd I definitely know I was losing focus.

That makes more sense. DoT clipping is tough for me. I have a sort of system in place, but I'm sure I clip a bit.

My normal rotation, in the event I don't get any super straight shot procs is just ss, wb, vb, hs, hs, hs, hs. This excludes all off GCDs. When you add in off GCDs and the fact that I'll squeeze in BL procs right after other off GCD skills (buffs as well as blunt arrow and repelling shot) the timing varies. But it seems like I am usually re-upping my DoTs when they have anywhere from 0 - 2 left on the timer. This doesn't apply to my t8 video from last week where I made the poor decision of not using DoTs for a little bit when I was low on TP. How does this 'rotation' of sorts compare to your own?

Grats on the t9 kills as well. Saw the video. Hopefully we get there soon. Haven't spent enough time yet.

Yeah DoT clipping is one thing all BRDs need to learn to manage, I'm still not that good in that department, but Menriq is certainly doing a good job there.

Managing dead space is another thing too - one just need to lose focus for a split second and could cause in 1-3s of dead space :(

It seems like it'd be better to reapply WB, for example, if your GCD is ready when the timer on the DoT still reads 2 than to wait and do nothing for 1 second for the timer to read 1. no? Seems like it takes half a second, at least, to apply. So if I hit WB when the timer still says 2, by the time it re-applies the timer has gone to 1. Or if it was at 1 the timer goes to no number listed.

I'm sure I do a lot wrong, but I guess I must do a few things right. Hit 309 in Levi ex yesterday w/ i95 Levi bow. There are likely people out there that do a lot better in the fight on BRD. I just haven't played w/ them. And on a dummy I seemed to be getting about 322-337 in 3 minute tests. Curious how that compares to other people with the i95 Levi bow on here. That'll change after tonight since I'll be getting the i110 soldiery bow. :D

Hi everyone. I don't have brd leveled yet but will do soon. What is the stat weights for brd. Like how much crit to dex .

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

How does this 'rotation' of sorts compare to your own?

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I don't really have a rotation, as more of a priority system. I try to start refreshing DoT when it ticks at 2, because time it goes off, it's about to drop off. GCD will also play a slight factor in this, since between GCD, I can generally get two OGCD abilites off. After the initial pull, it's basically whack a mole, unless I am saving CD's for a burn / add phase and want to reapply DoT's when I have all the buffs up.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Hi everyone. I don't have brd leveled yet but will do soon. What is the stat weights for brd. Like how much crit to dex .

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DEX is a primary stat, and Crit is a secondary stat. There are two schools of thought: Crit vs Skill Speed. I personally don't have the knowledge to debate, but my personal preference has been Crit, especially since TP can potentially be an issue in later fights.

So pretty much stack up on dex s much as possible? Damm I just bought all i90 crafted piece was planning on stacking it with crit.

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

So pretty much stack up on dex s much as possible? Damm I just bought all i90 crafted piece was planning on stacking it with crit.

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Make sure you are accuracy capped before worrying about the other stats. I don't think you can stack more of the primary stats on an item. If it had DEX and VIT, you could stack STR, etc., but it's better to add secondary stat.

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Originally Posted by RinchanNau

It seems like it'd be better to reapply WB, for example, if your GCD is ready when the timer on the DoT still reads 2 than to wait and do nothing for 1 second for the timer to read 1. no? Seems like it takes half a second, at least, to apply. So if I hit WB when the timer still says 2, by the time it re-applies the timer has gone to 1. Or if it was at 1 the timer goes to no number listed.

I'm sure I do a lot wrong, but I guess I must do a few things right. Hit 309 in Levi ex yesterday w/ i95 Levi bow. There are likely people out there that do a lot better in the fight on BRD. I just haven't played w/ them. And on a dummy I seemed to be getting about 322-337 in 3 minute tests. Curious how that compares to other people with the i95 Levi bow on here. That'll change after tonight since I'll be getting the i110 soldiery bow. :D

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Personally I reapply DoTs with counter remaining ranging to 1-2s, because by the time the arrow is fired and DoT reapplied, I feel it's just nice.

3 mins parse is not enough imo, usually I do a min of 7 min run. The first min parse of a BRD parse can go insanely high.. the first 30s you could see yourself in the 400 range lol. >.>

My BRD friend who achieved sever first T9 on our server is still using the wave bow (i95), his average ilvl is at about i96 or so and his T8 parse was about 32X range - the group clear time last night was 9min 11s so that's approximately the parse time.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

My BRD friend who achieved sever first T9 on our server is still using the wave bow (i95), his average ilvl is at about i96 or so and his T8 parse was about 32X range - the group clear time last night was 9min 11s so that's approximately the parse time.

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That sounds about right. I don't think iLvl matters as much as weapon damage. Yes, they are obviously upgrades, but I believe all things being equal, a BRD in i100 and a BRD in i96 would be relatively close; more than likely, would come down to difference in BL procs. Might be worth testing a 7 minute parse with i95 weapon, and then 110 to see what the actual difference is.

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Originally Posted by Menriq

That sounds about right. I don't think iLvl matters as much as weapon damage. Yes, they are obviously upgrades, but I believe all things being equal, a BRD in i100 and a BRD in i96 would be relatively close; more than likely, would come down to difference in BL procs. Might be worth testing a 7 minute parse with i95 weapon, and then 110 to see what the actual difference is.

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Yup you are right.

However I think it's a little special for bards because of how WD relates to your primary stat in general and the fact that bard's WD are generally low compared to other classes.

From blitzball's damage analysis, it's found that the higher your primary stat value, the more influence Weapon Damage will have on your average damage output - which is probably why back in 2.0-2.1, many bards agreed that depending what is your current gear (i55/i60/i70), upgrading to myth chest would be a better upgrade from Relic to Relic +1 due to the sheer amount of DEX upgrade.

That would come down to how much DEX you have, which is essentially measured by avg ilvl, to compliment your existing WD. Take me and my that bard friend for example - I'm wielding an i100 weapon and him an i95 weapon, but he have 15-20 DEX ahead of me before team buff, and the result is that our parse numbers are tightly in the same range. I may have a higher WD weapon but I do not have enough DEX to complement it (it could very well be that he's much skilled than me, no surprises).

I think the significance would be more obvious by comparing a bard wearing all i90 parts but given an i110 weapon, VS another bard with i100 weapon but avg ilvl is 100 and above. I believe that the i100 weapon with avg i100+ gear would have higher damage output.

Well I ask to is that there's really only few i100 I see that's good, example the body. Yes higher ilvl gives more dex but with adding more crit from crafted gear confiscate the lost in in dex. Or it doesn't matter how much crit or ss or det so long as the gear have more dex.?

What do you guys think of Soldiery Feet vs. our i90 Allagan? If I buy the Soldiery, I'll be able to upgrade from Stuffed Cabbage to Deviled Eggs, but I won't be gaining any accuracy due to it. It'll look like this:

i90 Allagan: +15crit/+15determination + Stuffed Cabbage HQ (21acc/9crit) = +24crit/+15Determination/21Accuracy

Soldiery: +16accuracy/+23Skill Speed + Deviled Eggs HQ (24crit/10acc) = +24crit/+23Skill Speed/+26Accuracy/+3DEX

So what it comes down to is that I lose 15determination, but gain 5accuracy (I need it to cap to T8), +3DEX, and +23Skill Speed. Getting crafted i90 is out of the question... I'd rather just wait for High Allagan, but I'm wondering if the upgrade is worth it overall, or will I be losing DPS overall?

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Originally Posted by Butcherboy

Well I ask to is that there's really only few i100 I see that's good, example the body. Yes higher ilvl gives more dex but with adding more crit from crafted gear confiscate the lost in in dex. Or it doesn't matter how much crit or ss or det so long as the gear have more dex.?

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Originally Posted by AkashiXI

What do you guys think of SoldieryFeet vs. our i90 Allagan? If I buy the Soldiery, I'll be able to upgrade from Stuffed Cabbage to Deviled Eggs, but I won't be gaining any accuracy due to it. It'll look like this:

i90 Allagan: +15crit/+15determination + Stuffed Cabbage HQ (21acc/9crit) = +24crit/+15Determination/21Accuracy

Soldiery: +16accuracy/+23Skill Speed + Deviled Eggs HQ (24crit/10acc) = +24crit/+23Skill Speed/+26Accuracy/+3DEX

So what it comes down to is that I lose 15determination, but gain 5accuracy (I need it to cap to T8), +3DEX, and +23Skill Speed. Getting crafted i90 is out of the question... I'd rather just wait for High Allagan, but I'm wondering if the upgrade is worth it overall, or will I be losing DPS overall?

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Personally,I find the weathered left hand side trash other than the body and belt with is BiS. Pants is debatable, because the High Allagan is from T8 and what it differs is between critical hit and det. Something you can buy if you have absolutely nothing else to buy and the HA pants hasn't dropped yet (or you aren't anywhere near clearing T8 yet).

Other than that, the soldier head, hand and feet causes you to lose too much secondary stat for that tiny amount of DEX growth. For example the boots - 3 DEX gain but 30 sec stat loss from Allagan Boots? I'd call that trash :rolleyes:

On the other hand, a properly pentamelded head, hand, waist and feet can be as good as a i100 piece due to the secondary stat gain by stat weightage.

The most worthy piece to buy and meld will be the belt and boots, which naturally comes with accuracy and determination. It's pretty nice without meld, but if you meld in critical it will even be better.

My 2 cents on this.