How come we can't play with friends?

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Originally Posted by Mogi

But standing around with very slow animations and a big boss that moves like a slug is? ok then

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Yes if it's a challange or you have a risk of dieing. Doesn't matter how slow the animations are. How is it fun having the EXACT same fights every week?

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

No. Content that can be controlled by players is bad design. Yes, bots ruin it for other people who are also doing that, but not being able to do content because the mob is being monopolized by a group is super lame. FATEs allow other people who bought the game to be able to enjoy open-world content.

That's also why 99% of the game is instanced. There's no reason for a small handful of people to be able to be the only ones enjoying content in the year 2014. That design philosophy is so archaic.

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+1 this i hate when there's a world boss and a ppl will camp it or as some games have pvp and ppl will camp it and kill you if you try to kill it :P

You can do fates. Open world things are in the game, you just choose to ignore it.

The less 1.0 we have the better.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Yes if it's a challange or you have a risk of dieing. Doesn't matter how slow the animations are. How is it fun having the EXACT same fights every week?

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How is it fun having the EXACT same fights for years, Mr. FFXI?

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Originally Posted by Arkghyom

SE, I want big maps so I can explore them all!

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You and me both, sister.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

The label fate just seems to make people blind to that I guess?
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No the label fate means it will never drop anything worth while, it will never be hard or even remotely challenging, and it'll just be a zerg fest of people. To me fates are just normal mobs with a special icon next to it.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

How is it fun having the EXACT same fights for years, Mr. FFXI?

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Uhh... These things... We call them expansions. They add more content.

Id understand ppl complaining if this game was out for a year or 2 and this was all we had but we all no there will be more to come so give it time or maybe take a rest if your that sick of things but i see threads like this everyday i miss 1.0 or the games too small i'm sure SE can hear you all clear

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Originally Posted by Mogi

+1 this i hate when there's a world boss and a ppl will camp it or as some games have pvp and ppl will camp it and kill you if you try to kill it :P

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MMOS are not for you go play vindictus lol sorry but there you will have NO open world.

I love camping NMs and KSing and having to PvP others at the same time
I don't like fates I don't do them
If you don't like open world NMs with KSing and PvP don't do them? But why should they not exist at all in the game?

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Originally Posted by Mogi

+1 this i hate when there's a world boss and a ppl will camp it or as some games have pvp and ppl will camp it and kill you if you try to kill it :P

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Welcome to an MMO. Are you sure you're playing the right genre?

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Uhh... These things... We call them expansions. They add more content.

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That's why everyone stopped doing Sky as soon as Chains of Promathia came out. Or doing Dynamis when Salvage came out.

Oh...wait...

FFXI just added sidegrades, making you burn through all their year old content forever. But this is also because FFXI was a game where you had to carry an inventory full of shoes or else you were a scrub who didn't gearswap, so it makes sense that your entire gaming career in the game was working towards an item with +1STR for that one WS, while working toward another item with +1DEX for that one other WS.

guys you are asking for group leves. yw. or else you just want to camp nms which doesnt bother me as long as they dont drop the best gear. im not camping an nm for a week (assuming i could get claim) for +12% movement speed which i would just sell for 12million gil instead of getting to actually use it. or in order to use it i spend a year farming/selling until gil no longer means anything to me.

so ya just make them drop crummy drops like behemoth so i dont have to bother with it.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

Id understand ppl complaining if this game was out for a year or 2 and this was all we had but we all no there will be more to come so give it time or maybe take a rest if your that sick of things but i see threads like this everyday i miss 1.0 or the games too small i'm sure SE can hear you all clear

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I'm sick of this excuse, it's BEYOND annoying.

I've played f2p games that RELEASED with more content and REAL open world content. Not "Oh hai guise lets get a TREASURE map that ony drops skins :D" If you see threads like this everyday then clearly something is wrong. It's not like people are asking for 1.0 or 1.23 they just want real worthwhile open world content. All you literally do is stand in toll/wineport and que up for everything. That's boring, coming back later means nothing if Yoshi-P is just going to keep doing the same thing a year down the road.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

guys you are asking for group leves. yw. or else you just want to camp nms which doesnt bother me as long as they dont drop the best gear. im not camping an nm for a week (assuming i could get claim) for +12% movement speed which i would just sell for 12million gil instead of getting to actually use it. or in order to use it i spend a year farming/selling until gil no longer means anything to me.

so ya just make them drop crummy drops like behemoth so i dont have to bother with it.

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Wut? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. So because you don't want to put forth effort for good drops, make sure the mobs don't drop anything at all?

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

That's why everyone stopped doing Sky as soon as Chains of Promathia came out. Or doing Dynamis when Salvage came out.

Oh...wait...

FFXI just added sidegrades, making you burn through all their year old content forever. But this is also because FFXI was a game where you had to carry an inventory full of shoes or else you were a scrub who didn't gearswap, so it makes sense that your entire gaming career in the game was working towards an item with +1STR for that one WS, while working toward another item with +1DEX for that one other WS.

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It's a horizontal progression, you didn't have to do sky if nothing you wanted came from there. You had many choices to get gear from here you have one!!!!! So it's not the same thing. I played that game for 7+ years I played this game for 2 months. How well does that stack up?

How did people actually play 1.0 and not want to just turn the game off and jump off a cliff? That video looks so mind numbingly boring and slow.

As for open world content there is more to address at the current time in the game then the open world content. I to would like to see more open world content but I am fine with waiting for it if it means that better end game content is created first.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

How come we can't play with friends in ARR like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKXCWPi3Pi0

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Oh, I still do that
In stuff like Pharos Sirius, Crystal Tower. Playing with your friends is pretty fun, specially in interesting content

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Originally Posted by ErBear

MMOS are not for you go play vindictus lol sorry but there you will have NO open world.

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Ok then ff a realm reborn is not for you then now give me your stuff and quit

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Originally Posted by ErBear

It's a horizontal progression, you didn't have to do sky if nothing you wanted came from there. You had many choices to get gear from here you have one!!!!! So it's not the same thing. I played that game for 7+ years I played this game for 2 months. How well does that stack up?

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One.

-Mythology Tomes
-Extreme Primals
-Binding Coil of Bahamut
-PvP

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

That's why everyone stopped doing Sky as soon as Chains of Promathia came out. Or doing Dynamis when Salvage came out.

Oh...wait...

FFXI just added sidegrades, making you burn through all their year old content forever. But this is also because FFXI was a game where you had to carry an inventory full of shoes or else you were a scrub who didn't gearswap, so it makes sense that your entire gaming career in the game was working towards an item with +1STR for that one WS, while working toward another item with +1DEX for that one other WS.

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no one MADE you keep doing the content. You chose to. Removing content from the game every time they add more is a better plan in your opinion?

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

I love camping NMs and KSing and having to PvP others at the same time
I don't like fates I don't do them
If you don't like open world NMs with KSing and PvP don't do them? But why should they not exist at all in the game?

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Because it doesn't follow SE's design philosophy. Thus the game is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

guys you are asking for group leves. yw

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But noooooo, according to another poster if it's not something that fosters competition so that you have to fight against them to claim it or do the most damage or w/e, it may as well just be an instance.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

no one MADE you keep doing the content. You chose to. Removing content from the game every time they add more is a better plan in your opinion?

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As if there was any choice in FFXI? Anything less than perfect in that game and you were considered a bad, meaning you get to keep farming sky for three years after it's been out so you have that best in slot gear for that one weapon skill.

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

One.

-Mythology Tomes
-Extreme Primals
-Binding Coil of Bahamut
-PvP

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I think she/he is talking about the top tier gear and there is only one way to get that, coil. Also pvp gear is..well...for pvp >.>

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Originally Posted by KupoNuts

Welcome to an MMO. Are you sure you're playing the right genre?

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Not my first MMO but thank you if you ever feel like quitting ill take your stuff ty

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

One.

-Mythology Tomes
-Extreme Primals
-Binding Coil of Bahamut
-PvP

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lolok Yeah there is not just one content, but there is ONE content that you get the best gear for you class. Also there is no OPTIONS. This game is super linear in it's gear progression. Don't even try. stop trying to defend this game so hard.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

lolok Yeah there is not just one content, but there is ONE content that you get the best gear for you class. Also there is no OPTIONS. This game is super linear in it's gear progression. Don't even try. stop trying to defend this game so hard.

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So id hope this is not your main right?

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Wut? I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. So because you don't want to put forth effort for good drops, make sure the mobs don't drop anything at all?

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you're definitely not reading it right. effort is fine, currently you need to gear up then learn mechanics to complete endgame. this is effort. you also need to grind up to lvl 50. also effort. but waiting for up to 72 hours or a week while spamming a macro to target the nearest mob or spamming your map while subbing an illogical job for widescan is not effort. i have a fulltime job and while i appreciate difficulty (eg darksouls) i dont need this game to become a 2nd job. i dont want to state at my screen for hours until something pops.

now if u currently sit around all day and nms would alleviate your boredom... maybe take up a hobby instead. try paintball or arts and crafts or kayaking or something sheesh

It's a combination of a lot of things but it's mainly thanks to the mentality that only dungeon gear matters and crafted gear will never be better. FATEs are mostly the same as NMs without the claim wars which might be the main draw for some people but the majority would really do without, the thing is they're also lacking relevant drops which is funny because the system for FATE drops is already in place, it's just been limited to two rare spawn FATEs and even then their drops are all for vanity at best, oh and I guess it's also been used recently for daily quest drops that are only useful to complete those quests.

This could be so easily fixed by giving other FATEs a chance to drop crafting mats or even just aetherial gear if you really want to lock relevant gear to dungeons so badly, they could also give them a chance to drop an item that lets someone spawn the NM for themselves or their party levequest style, make that special spawn item U/U if you really want to limit their farming, and also by just making levequests relevant or adding challenging stuff like the old faction leves, or I guess more involved for lack of a better word if you really want to go with the "no it wasn't challenging just time consuming you're wrong everything 1.0 sucked" route.

Then of course there's also the issue of lack of difficulty thanks to most FATEs being just oversized versions of regular mobs and all of those being designed specifically as trash mobs that offer no real challenge only having 3 abilities at best.

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Originally Posted by Mogi

So id hope this is not your main right?

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I'm Rokien. I don't play the game no more.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

As if there was any choice in FFXI? Anything less than perfect in that game and you were considered a bad, meaning you get to keep farming sky for three years after it's been out so you have that best in slot gear for that one weapon skill.

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And this is different than any MMO how? If you don't have the best gear now your considered bad. Find me a SMN running around in spell speed armor and lets have a discussion on what the general community thinks of this person.

You know the difference between XI and XIV? Your going to have to totally replace every slot every 4-5 months because that gear is now totally invalid. So when you spend 4 months farming those BiS legs and a week later they are worse than group gear. Come back and tell me how you feel about this subject.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

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Nothing in this game requires effort. ._.
Need gear? That's fine spam this faceroll dungeon for tokens
Leveling? That's fine spam these faceroll zerg fests aka fates

Anyway if you don't want something to become a second job then don't camp the bosses, you seem to be fine with how this game is now (no bosses worth camping) so if they did (They wont) why bother with it?

I dont understand why people get so scared of competition or feel they should be able to get something that someone else worked hard for, for little to no effort.
I get it, you guys don't want bosses that drops the best gear, no one is even suggesting that. It's not hard to create multiple sets in the same ilvl range. That way farming bosses is completely OPTIONAL.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

And this is different than any MMO how? If you don't have the best gear now your considered bad. Find me a SMN running around in spell speed armor and lets have a discussion on what the general community thinks of this person.

You know the difference between XI and XIV? Your going to have to totally replace every slot every 4-5 months because that gear is now totally invalid. So when you spend 4 months farming those BiS legs and a week later they are worse than group gear. Come back and tell me how you feel about this subject.

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Very good points!!! I don't know how many times people are like "GTFO, YOU NO HAS GEAR!!" FOR A FREAKING EASY FIGHT!!!

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Originally Posted by Faedden

Nothing in this game requires effort. ._.
Need gear? That's fine spam this faceroll dungeon for tokens
Leveling? That's fine spam these faceroll zerg fests aka fates

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Amen. "Crap it's Friday and I need 150 myth to cap"

/switch to scholar
/summons pet
/queues for roulette
/autofollows tank while fairy does the work and I spam physick to look like I'm being important in this super hard dungeon. and watch a movie or play FF tactics on my phone.

It's super hard Faedden. I have to do this for a whole 3 hours a week to cap myth and get raid gear!!!

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Very good points!!! I don't know how many times people are like "GTFO, YOU NO HAS GEAR!!" FOR A FREAKING EASY FIGHT!!!

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Exactly and it's funny because the proponents of "hand everythign to me on a silver platter this model is fine" actually have to deal with this MORE because their gear turns to complete shit every time new content is added.

"Hardcore" MMOs (in their opinions) like EQ and XI.

New expansion comes out? Ok my raid gear is still better than group content time to go work through the new raids and replace my gear.

EQ I literally change gearsets once a year. XIV I will likely have gone through 3-4 sets of gear by the end of the year because they will make what I'm wearing crap. But apparently the people who want everything handed to them also want to have to hit the destroy button on it every 3 months for fun.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

Amen. "Crap it's Friday and I need 150 myth to cap"

/switch to scholar
/summons pet
/queues for roulette
/autofollows tank while fairy does the work and I spam physick to look like I'm being important in this super hard dungeon. and watch a movie or play FF tactics on my phone.

It's super hard Faedden. I have to do this for a whole 3 hours a week to cap myth and get raid gear!!!

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Omg that is so horrible! They make you put forth that much effort and here are these horrible people suggesting that add open world content that requires a brain...How dare they!? I don't want to have to compete against others and actually put forth a tiny crumb of effort.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I'm Rokien. I don't play the game no more.

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So you only have 1 lvl 50?

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Originally Posted by Mogi

So you only have 1 lvl 50?

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It doesn't matter, even if he leveled every class to 50, there would still be as close to 0 open world content as there already is. You are missing the point of this thread, we shouldn't have to feel like the duty finder is our holy savior, and without it's guidance we have no chance to get anything worthwhile.

Edit: In before someone stupid says "Coil isn't part of duty finder, that's where all the gear is." Coil is just another version of the duty finder, except you don't get paired up with idiots and trolls that are doing stupid shit because they are bored because this game lacks any decently challenging content.

I don't mind the Fates I just wish they added higher lvl areas that would challenge i90 geared folks with i70+ Fates, I would be more than happy with that.

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

/switch to scholar
/summons pet
/queues for roulette
/autofollows tank while fairy does the work and I spam physick to look like I'm being important in this super hard dungeon. and watch a movie or play FF tactics on my phone.

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Is this why no one likes Pharos Sirius on roulette?

To be fair Coil isn't exactly challenging.

People pug 1-4 every week the only "challenging" content is EX Titan, EX Ifrit, and Turn 5.

And even then most of that is just a matter of finding 7 other people who know fire burns.

Any content you can walk in and say with 100% certainty you will not die until a wipe is too easy.

Hell Titan I follow some dance I don't even understand anymore. I move left sometime... Right others. And it is consistent every attempt. No real reason besides those are the DDR moves I learned.

►▲◄◄◄▲◄◄▲▼► is the cheat code for titan dead as a melee. The fact that if I wanted I could actually write out a exact step by step movement is sad.

AGHHH!! I miss that game so damn much!

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Originally Posted by Zarzak

To be fair Coil isn't exactly challenging.

People pug 1-4 every week the only "challenging" content is EX Titan, EX Ifrit, and Turn 5.

And even then most of that is just a matter of finding 7 other people who know fire burns.

Any content you can walk in and say with 100% certainty you will not die until a wipe is too easy.

Hell Titan I follow some dance I don't even understand anymore. I move left sometime... Right others. And it is consistent every attempt. No real reason besides those are the DDR moves I learned.

►▲◄◄◄▲◄◄▲▼► is the cheat code for titan dead as a melee. The fact that if I wanted I could actually write out a exact step by step movement is sad.

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lol that made me laugh, the only challenging part about titan is fighting the lag.