Leves should be removed or atleast downplayed for overall gameplay?

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Heya!

No, they shouldn't. It's perfect content for those who don't have much time to dedicate on the game (myself included).
I like some challenge when I don't do leves in a party, so I just take a leve and put it 5 stars and see if I can come out with some strategies or whatsoever, and if I can't do it, I just drop it by 1 star and redo the spiral.

See ya!

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well ya i know the title is misleading but what im saying is lol :| that leves should still be here but they should be less rewarding behest should be more often and random *like ff11 campagin :|* and other things should be added in and they all give exp so the casual gamer can go do those while ppl :| like me :| could mainly party and do behest and leves on the side while the casual can do the leves mainly whille partying on the side when they have time

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Originally Posted by danny52844

well ya i know the title is misleading but what im saying is lol :| that leves should still be here but they should be less rewarding behest should be more often and random *like ff11 campagin :|* and other things should be added in and they all give exp so the casual gamer can go do those while ppl :| like me :| could party and do thos eon the side while the casual can do the little things whille partying on the side when they ahve time

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Prefacing that I've not understood 90% of that, what do you mean by "Other things should be added"? More so, what do you think they should add?

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Prefacing that I've not understood 90% of that, what do you mean by "Other things should be added"? More so, what do you think they should add?

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maybe a conquest minigame thingie (when i say minigame i mean things like behest and that) maybe a reward system for killing monsters (normal monsters) around a certain area for bonus exp or items :X? idc more things like that

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Originally Posted by danny52844

maybe a conquest minigame thingie (when i say minigame i mean things like behest and that) maybe a reward system for killing monsters (normal monsters) around a certain area for bonus exp or items :X? idc more things like that

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I think we've gotta wait for that until the end of Summer, when the game will be good at least to release some content.
Hope you think like me, that is the Dev team that should think about that content. I think that they more so know what we want after 9 months of gamelife =)

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Originally Posted by Renshi

I think we've gotta wait for that until the end of Summer, when the game will be good at least to release some content.
Hope you think like me, that is the Dev team that should think about that content. I think that they more so know what we want after 9 months of gamelife =)

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well ya lol but all thi is about is to make sure that onetofifty thread can work i mean the biggest thing thats wrong with this game ( next to battle) is monster placement and for monsterplacement to work u have to fight the monsters :x

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Originally Posted by danny52844

well ya lol but all thi is about is to make sure that onetofifty thread can work i mean the biggest thing thats wrong with this game ( next to battle) is monster placement and for monsterplacement to work u have to fight the monsters :x

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Hmm... I thought it was more of a problem that you could get your 50 in only one place, and by place I mean Fields of the City-state.
Anyway, I'm in the opinion that if the monsters placement is wrong it's the Monster Placer's fault, and if it doesn't work then mr. MP must work on it, while we try to beat the sh*t out of them with our ≤8-men party. For singular players in order to travel around the world, they can't do nothing but trying to sneaky sneaky through them.

I recall a Dev that said about Monsters placement, so it shouldn't be a problem in a few months.

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Hmm... I thought it was more of a problem that you could get your 50 in only one place, and by place I mean Fields of the City-state.
Anyway, I'm in the opinion that if the monsters placement is wrong it's the Monster Placer's fault, and if it doesn't work then mr. MP must work on it, while we try to beat the sh*t out of them with our ≤8-men party. For singular players in order to travel around the world, they can't do nothing but trying to sneaky sneaky through them.

I recall a Dev that said about Monsters placement, so it shouldn't be a problem in a few months.

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yes they are going to fix monster placement but better monster placement for partying doesnt matter if no one rly parts? or fight normal monsters that much?

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Originally Posted by danny52844

just trying to say something on a game forum :| y does grammer matter? i mean its a forum -.-

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Why does grammar (and spelling)(and capitalization, punctuation, formatting, etc) matter? Because if you can't coherently express yourself, I can't read what you're saying; I can only interpret. If you want people to read your posts, make them readable.

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Originally Posted by giftforce

It's actually really time-consuming finding a leve party any time that isn't immediately after reset.

THe camps are all deserted and so you have to either do the leves yourself or find something else to do.

Doing the leves by yourself yields as much SP as soloing free-roaming non-leve mobs and so nearly defeats the purpose.

So... the leve system is not this perfect thing that is accessible for everyone. I feel like it fails to be what they wanted it to be.

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I agree for different reasons. I'm just gonna leave this here.

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Originally Posted by _C-a-e-r-i-t-h_

Why does grammar (and spelling)(and capitalization, punctuation, formatting, etc) matter? Because if you can't coherently express yourself, I can't read what you're saying; I can only interpret. If you want people to read your posts, make them readable.

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I agree for different reasons. I'm just gonna leave this here.

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that was cool ._. spelling

If grinding became a better sp grind than leves, there'd be no point in leves other than Faction Credits, but they'd be so dull in sp gain that nobody would even bother, or would want to bother.

I think the SP gain with leves right now are fine.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

If grinding became a better sp grind than leves, there'd be no point in leves other than Faction Credits, but they'd be so dull in sp gain that nobody would even bother, or would want to bother.

I think the SP gain with leves right now are fine.

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y is it fine that the most dull and boring thing is the best for exp

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Originally Posted by danny52844

y is it fine that the most dull and boring thing is the best for exp

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Grinding is dull and boring too =)

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Grinding is dull and boring too =)

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im not arugeing that i keep saying this XD but atleast grinding is constant and not a i must do this every day and a half or ill lose it

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Originally Posted by danny52844

im not arugeing that i keep saying this XD but atleast grinding is constant and not a i must do this every day and a half or ill lose it

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Actually you don't have to. I've missed so many resets these days and when I go to do leves and sh*t I mostly have the sh*ttiest leves according to what everyone does in order to claim the highest experience points, so I basically do leves like some resets and some resets not. Instead I'd go crafting or gathering.

Even if I have low-rewarding leves I do those 'cause it's fun. Killing monsters constantly is like a walk in a cemetery for me, but I'm not blaming your likes, as you're free to like whatever you want =)

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Originally Posted by danny52844

all im saying is that i think that partying needs to be forced kinda like it was in 11

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No forced party play.

If that's what you want, FFXI is over that way.

I do think we should have more options than leves or straight up grinding for leveling. I'd like it if side-quests gave exp. Good news is that the new dungeons will yield SP, also.

Parties are fun, but sometimes I don't want to party (sorry, I have a job where I work with the public, and I easily get burned out on dealing with people). Sometimes I want to solo and just chat with my LS.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

No forced party play.

If that's what you want, FFXI is over that way.

I do think we should have more options than leves or straight up grinding for leveling. I'd like it if side-quests gave exp. Good news is that the new dungeons will yield SP, also.

Parties are fun, but sometimes I don't want to party (sorry, I have a job where I work with the public, and I easily get burned out on dealing with people). Sometimes I want to solo and just chat with my LS.

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:| becuase u know every comment before that one didnt say that i didnt want forced pting :| im just saying with pt as the back bone we can have a standard then minigames like stuff for every1 else like campaign from ff11
btw ff11 sucks now because of abyssia so plz stop saying stuff like that

This thread will never become diamonds... lol

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Originally Posted by Renshi

This thread will never become diamonds... lol

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wut ._.? lol

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Originally Posted by danny52844

wut ._.? lol

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Ah whoops, sorry dude. Here you go!

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Originally Posted by Renshi

Ah whoops, sorry dude. Here you go!

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um off topic but i saw a remix of that song know the like to that :P?
but yes this could be diamonds anything is possible when your on a horse

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Originally Posted by danny52844

:| becuase u know every comment before that one didnt say that i didnt want forced pting :| im just saying with pt as the back bone we can have a standard then minigames like stuff for every1 else like campaign from ff11
btw ff11 sucks now because of abyssia so plz stop saying stuff like that

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Actually, no, I don't know what half of your posts are trying to say due to run-on sentences and choppy phrases. It takes every ounce of effort not to just let my eyes glaze over them. But I do know for sure you irrefutably said, "all im saying is that i think that partying needs to be forced kinda like it was in 11" and now you're saying you didn't? Don't blame me for misinterpretation if you can't properly present what you want to say.

And I thought Kilta's posts made my eyes bleed.

Anyway, I played FFXI from 2004-2008, where you couldn't wipe your nose without a party. I have no idea what it's like now, since that was two computer builds ago, and I haven't reinstalled it since. So I have no idea what Abyssea is all about.

Does it even have anything to do with the point? Is Abyssea comparable to leves?

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Actually, no, I don't know what half of your posts are trying to say due to run-on sentences and choppy phrases. It takes every ounce of effort not to just let my eyes glaze over them. But I do know for sure you irrefutably said, "all im saying is that i think that partying needs to be forced kinda like it was in 11" and now you're saying you didn't? Don't blame me for misinterpretation if you can't properly present what you want to say.

And I thought Kilta's posts made my eyes bleed.

Anyway, I played FFXI from 2004-2008, where you couldn't wipe your nose without a party. I have no idea what it's like now, since that was two computer builds ago, and I haven't reinstalled it since. So I have no idea what Abyssea is all about.

Does it even have anything to do with the point? Is Abyssea comparable to leves?

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read the first post again and ffs please stop qqing about grammer on a forum

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Originally Posted by danny52844

y is it fine that the most dull and boring thing is the best for exp

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Because anything that requires repetition for more than an hour is most likely going to be dull and/or boring?

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Because anything that requires repetition for more than an hour is most likely going to be dull and/or boring?

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which might be true if you always had to do it which is why i keep stressing the thing about alternatives lol maybe party one day for 2-3 hours then leves or behest or some other things SE might make ._.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

It takes every ounce of effort not to just let my eyes glaze over them.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

And I thought Kilta's posts made my eyes bleed.

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That's Hyperbole

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Originally Posted by danny52844

read the first post again and ffs please stop qqing

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I did, and it still advocates that partying should be the backbone of leveling in the game. If you don't mean forced-party grinding, then please explain what you mean?

I'm glad you understand the importance of http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Zone-Long-OP . There is a severe lack of progression, but how do leves, in and of themselves, ruin progression? The issue is actually much more complex.

And FFS, go back to English class.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

That's Hyperbole

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Actually, only number two was hyperbole. The first one is true.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Actually, only number two was hyperbole. The first one is true.

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lol... ok...

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I did, and it still advocates that partying should be the backbone of leveling in the game. If you don't mean forced-party grinding, then please explain what you mean?

I'm glad you understand the importance of http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Zone-Long-OP . There is a severe lack of progression, but how do leves, in and of themselves, ruin progression? The issue is actually much more complex.

And FFS, go back to English class.

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i mean just what it says partying should be the best way of getting exp and by best i mean the fastest way of getting exp and sp
but it shouldnt be the only way to lv up there should be other ways like behest and leves that give less exp but are easier to do more convenient and doesnt take a long time to do with repeatability viable (yes ive said this alot becuase it was awesome) campaign in ff11 it didnt give exp anywhere near partying yet it was fun and very convenient to do and i enjoyed doing it when i got bored of partying

leves ruin progress because in a mmorpg the solo aspect of the game should never be the main progress model of the game if u want to play by urself and talk to ppl buy an offline game and play it while ur on facebook

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Originally Posted by danny52844

which might be true if you always had to do it which is why i keep stressing the thing about alternatives lol maybe party one day for 2-3 hours then leves or behest or some other things SE might make ._.

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Exactly why i like the idea of Leves, but they shouldn't make it the main thing to do. We have dungeons on the way and in my opinion, they should offer good SP from 25-35 at least, but then again, they may be changing the algorithms of how much sp is needed between ranks after removal of fatigue system.

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Exactly why i like the idea of Leves, but they shouldn't make it the main thing to do. We have dungeons on the way and in my opinion, they should offer good SP from 25-35 at least, but then again, they may be changing the algorithms of how much sp is needed between ranks after removal of fatigue system.

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thank you exactly what i mean XD! leves shouldnt be the mainstream way of leveling just with me i think partying should and leves/behest/dunegons should be the easy to set up and easy to do things :D!

They could always use completing leves to unlock something bigger and better
i.e.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ev1001-Dev1011

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Originally Posted by Rydin

They could always use completing leves to unlock something bigger and better
i.e.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ev1001-Dev1011

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wouldnt thier be better ways to unlock something? its not a good idea to try to force something currently useless to be usefull

resources get re-purposed... its efficient

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Originally Posted by Rydin

resources get re-purposed... its efficient

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efficiency doesnt sound that fun :(

Ummm you're not describing partying. Partying is grouping up, that's what you do in leves, NM fights, etc. You are describing grinding the same mob over and over while you sit in one spot and kill the respawns for fractions of your level. This is the method of progression that was used in EQ1 and I assume FFXI. It's an archaic, unimaginative, and uninspiring system. No thanks, 2 thumbs down.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

Ummm you're not describing partying. Partying is grouping up, that's what you do in leves, NM fights, etc. You are describing grinding the same mob over and over while you sit in one spot and kill the respawns for fractions of your level. This is the method of progression that was used in EQ1 and I assume FFXI. It's an archaic, unimaginative, and uninspiring system. No thanks, 2 thumbs down.

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and grouping up in leves and nms to kill the same things every day and a half or 5 minutes is not just as unimaginative?
the only diff between partying and leves is that partying can be done any time and thats the main reason im saying it should be the more important thing

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Originally Posted by Rydin

They could always use completing leves to unlock something bigger and better
i.e.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ev1001-Dev1011

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Actually, before the game was released, I had first envisioned that the leve system would be something more like this. That they would work in tandem with traditional quest hubs, not just be over-glorified WoW dailies.

This would help foster progression, lore, content, and give us more goals than to just level for the sake of leveling in a repetitive environment. It's a brilliant suggestion, IMO.

I think that leves themselves, the way they are implemented now, are a very lackluster leveling backbone. They are horribly repetitive. I would love to see this kind of enhancement.

I don't see leves ever being removed as SE likes the idea. But why couldn't they go through a reinvention? It's not like we aren't already planning a redo on the rest of the game (battle system, classes/jobs, and map).

Could this be a good example of something other than leves? Perhaps some friendly competition?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...783#post201783

At first, I really liked leves, until I started doing the same thing everyday. It got kind of boring, and started to feel like grinding. I wish xiv was more of a quest and progress kind of structure, instead of grinding 20 levels to do one quest..