Of course you'd take the second option, because the second option is "I make loads of gil with little effort". That's what you all want (and hell, it would be awesome for me too!).
FFXI's economy was based on making materials scarce (gathering points were shared by all and were very limited in number, drop rate of materials was low, some materials only came from HNMs that popped once per day, etc), making crafters scarce (leveling up took a lot of effort and time, you were forced to choose a single craft to get to 100) and making HQ items was very difficult (had to craft on certain days that gave a bonus to HQ rate, had to have your monitor facing Mecca, had to cross the fingers on both hands and feet).
In FFXI most of your effort was front-loaded (leveling up your craft) and after that making money was mostly luck with HQ's.
FFXIV's economy is based on materials being plentiful and easy to obtain, everyone being able to level everything and players having effective ways of producing HQ items.
In FFXIV your effort is continuous (craft a lot and sell a lot).
For you guys, a functioning economy is "I'm one of the very few people capable of crafting this so I craft an item and sell it for a lot of gil". My definition of a functioning economy is "people buy and sell stuff and, if you put in the effort, you can make a lot of gil".
Being able to level all crafts and farm all my materials to craft stuff for myself is simply awesome. I won't trade this freedom for the heavy-handed restrictions that FFXI had just because you guys want to make some quick gil.
Is there anything worth farming in this game?
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02-20-2014, 04:32 AMGilthas
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02-20-2014, 04:35 AMDhex
Sharks.
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02-20-2014, 04:38 AMGandoraAre you serious with that? Its a big effort to do 6 guildleves to get from Lv1 to Lv10 for you? I just did it in 5 mins (maybe less) & it costed me maybe 900 gils? Can you please read again my post explaining how FFXI crafting system was long and costly because you clearly missed it. I know i'm just at the begining but I can already see the guildleves coming to give me more exp than I can dream of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
In XI I did not get lv1-10 in less then 5 mins and I had to work for it. This being said, it does not make you a hard worker to level all your craft to Lv50 lol, I'd rather make an armoer 50 with gold & smith sub even if it take more time to level them up over what we have currently.
Also I am talking about valorising everything for the community sake, not someone else time for their own profit. -
02-20-2014, 04:40 AMMax_Damade
When I was playing FFXI the economy worked fine because gil was needed.
As far as I can see, in FFXIV gil isn't even very necessary.
I get all my gear from dungeons and tomes. No one needs food.
Housing is with the FC and once you have your house and furnishings, what's left to buy?
SE's fear of RMT has made gil and crafting unnecessary. -
02-20-2014, 04:44 AMhaseo0730Goblins in Coerthas, like Armpits Rosybuttcheek drops some rare leather which goes for at least 30k on the marketsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blissa
But really though, the most good item that will likely to be sold is Treasure Map and you could also farm for materia like Savage Aim -
02-20-2014, 05:04 AMGilthasYou apparently didn't read this part:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandora
In FFXIV your effort is continuous (craft a lot and sell a lot).
Not sure how making stuff cost a lot of gil, and therefore exclusive to a few rich people, is for the "community's sake" compared to the current situation where everything is affordable to pretty much anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandora
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02-20-2014, 05:16 AMGandoraQuote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
Because to supply the demand you would obviously craft less? Its not about making it exclusive to rich people but to make it exclusive to a player who chose which craft to level.
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02-20-2014, 05:22 AMGilthasSorry, but the current situation is a lot better. You have the freedom to level everything on the same character and making gil is "exclusive" to the people that put in the effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandora
Making items scarce does not "help" the community. Most players prefer stuff to be affordable. It's only the people looking to make a quick gil that want things to be rare and expensive (just as long as they're the ones crafting it that is!) because it's easier for them if they don't have competition. -
02-20-2014, 05:56 AMArtemizI completely agree with this, except the food part. Problem is just doing dungeons is more than enough to pay for repairs and food for the most part and even if you insist on chewing through the most expensive HQ foods then just doing beastmen quests every day is more than enough to pay for a days worth of food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_Damade
Crafting is pointless because gil is pointless. It's by design from SE as they're trying to combat RMT. It's like giving away everything you own in case you get burgled, you wont have anything to steal if you do get burgled (that'll show 'em!) but you have to live your whole life with nothing as a result so it's not worth it.
I can make plenty of money in this game but there isn't any point, that's the problem. -
02-20-2014, 05:57 AMGandoraCmon, stop praising yourself so hard on this. There is no merit at all leveling a craft when you can get Lv 1-15 in 20 mins, see below:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
http://i58.tinypic.com/iqh8pu.png
The guildleve NPC is just outside Uldah, for each item traded to its client (4 steps away) I got 115 gils back & 4500 exp. wow what an effort you may have made to get there, i'm pretty sure your char still have cramps.. I will see for the next level but right now I have made 0 effort. -
02-20-2014, 06:04 AMGilthas
*rolls eyes*
How about you actually read my posts?
I said that in FFXI the effort was front loaded, because the hard part was getting your craft to 100 and after that making gil was getting lucky on HQ's.
Then I said that in FFXIV the effort is continuous because you have to craft a lot and sell a lot.
Notice how I didn't say that leveling DoH's was hard, yet you keep harping on it. The actual effort in FFXIV comes from crafting a lot and selling a lot of stuff.
Because that's the thing with you guys. You want to have close to no competition, craft an item, and then sell it on the MB for a crap load of gil. Since you can't do that because SE chose not to make an economy based on rarity, you come to the boards to whine about how the economy doesn't work. Meanwhile, the people spamming 4-10k synths are making 100k per day, aka, the ones that actually make an effort. -
02-20-2014, 06:24 AMGandora
Its your words quoted above, not mine.
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02-20-2014, 07:12 AMYukonjackI would beg to differ about food, there should be no excuse NOT to use food when raiding, and at least on Balmung food prices are still pretty high.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_Damade
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02-20-2014, 08:04 AMSarcasmMisserI'm sorry prices tanked on your server, they're still above 500k here and were 1m each for a good time, and I know on some servers they are still 1m. Even when they do tank if you were an early adopter you made more money than a crafter is going to right now, and can just sit on that big pile of gil with no effort. People still want big margins, because some are still getting it and they're commanding prices both in housing and the few rare goods in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilthas
lol if you think I'm stuck on the forums complaining while you captains of industry are making the dough. I did hardly anything and I still made more than I'm going to use in a long time. I sit on savings and depend on an deflationary economy to increase my purchasing power.
I'll just be blunt, I don't believe your posts about crafting profits. Prices tanked on merc runs, but maps and crafting somehow hasn't tanked at a comparable rate? Markets with considerably less barriers of entry? Post sales logs or you're all hot air. You just want to justify your own activities and want to ignore all these good posts on profit compared to time. -
02-20-2014, 10:11 AMGilthasYeah, you just misinterpreted them... How old are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandora
Of course you don't believe me. That's the problem with you guys, you think that if you're not selling stuff for at least 100k a piece that it's impossible to make gil. In the 6 weeks following the implementation of patch 2.1 I made 6,5 million gil by spamming the level 30-40 market. The highest price of what I sold? 10k. My sales tactic? Find stuff with a few or no HQs on it and put one on sale. When people undercut me I moved on to something else and came back when prices recovered. When I got tired of slaving to the MB I went back to leveling and had 8.2 mil for our house instead of the 1.7 I had before patch 2.1. Two weeks ago I gave some advice to someone in my FC that's saving up gil now, and now he's the one making 1 mil per week.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser
And yeah, I don't have sales logs. I wasn't expecting having to prove myself on the boards. But you can always make a character on Phoenix and check the MB yourself, that or just keep whining.
Lastly, about your profit versus time argument. Like I mentioned before, if it's not worth your time just stop selling on the MB, the people willing to make the effort will appreciate having less competition. -
02-20-2014, 10:13 AMMax_DamadeI stand corrected, Yukonjack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukonjack
As a bard, the foods I have found in FFXIV don't boost my dexterity, so I basically skip them.
I suppose I'm still stuck making comparisons to FFXI where you would never ever xp without food. If you ran out, you would borrow or buy food from a party member. Either that or you would leave the party to get food and come back. It was that important.
There was different food for every job, and varying degrees of how powerful the foods effects were. Some were extremely expensive. Dying in FFXI wasted your food and you lost xp.
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02-20-2014, 10:13 AMalhandra
what the hell do you need gil for anyways? cant buy coil or myth gear with gil and the cash you need for repairs and food can be easily made just doing a couple of roulettes and dailies. Blame RMT and the shit heads that cater to it. because of them we will never be able to make nice things
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02-20-2014, 10:17 AMBlissaOh. idk things like player housing that's coming up. Look how much the FC house costs player housing wont be cheapQuote:
Originally Posted by alhandra
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02-20-2014, 10:21 AMKhronikos
People need to understand that this is a young MMO. Me and my crafter lady make good money daily when we want to. We have over a million in the bank and I am her personal worker bee.
When things get sorted out I fully think food will be just fine. Harder and harder stuff will come down the pipe where you wont mind spending. And when houses FINALLY come down to real levels people will not be afraid. You guys needs to take a look at the MB, your peers, and manifest some abstract thinking skills. I value time in FF14 very much and I am on a strict budget. I have a million gil and I spend as well. Others can too but you need to know how to work the markets. And you also need to be smart enough not to topple the markets with your greed as that will end badly for all.
There is money there but people also need to realize it is a market that requires work and teamwork at that. You don't get **** for free anymore people. Work. -
02-20-2014, 10:22 AMKhronikosI believe they are working up toward this at some point with hard modes. Right now they are trying to smooth the foundation. People are just too addicted to see the forest from the trees. Well they had better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max_Damade
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02-20-2014, 10:29 AMGilthasYoshi-P said that player housing will be a lot cheaper, but I guess you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blissa
This is so true. A few times I was selling items for 8-10k, once or twice per day. And then someone would come along, see those prices and put 5 or more items on sale and undercut them to 7k. Which just made the item tank further down to 4k, which is when I would decide it was time to move to something else.Quote:
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02-20-2014, 10:32 AMKhronikos
Do people STILL not realize that these housing prices are temporary?
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02-20-2014, 11:10 AMRizon
Before we spread out on 20 different tangents lets get back to the question asked. "is there any reason to farm"? The short answer is no and until SE provides us with reasons to craft it will remain no.
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02-20-2014, 12:03 PMlackofwordsHousing seems to be the only reason right now to spend millions. My FC paid about 72 million for a large plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizon
However, the OP question was "Is there anything worth farming in this game?" and was wondering what could he farm with his PLD for "gill", and also said he doesn't want to play DoL classes.
In general, there's two things I look for when I'm about to start selling stuff on the market boards.
I try to find the high volume items rather than the high costing ones.
And I try to look for the items that you will always need to hand in for a quest or leve.
For high volume items, that is something that sells more than 20+ transaction daily, you'll usually find people undercutting every now and then.
However, the higher the transaction rate, the less of an affect undercutting would have on said item. Since, in most cases I found that the person who is undercutting is usually not supplying in bulk but rather than just trying to get rid of their items faster.
For quest required items, they don't sell at a high volume. Usually less than 20 transaction a day. However, since they do sell steadily, and usually people list those items as bulk, and buyers don't want to buy bulk, you could earn a higher gil per item this way. Though the rate of gil you're taking in wouldn't be as high as the latter.
Lastly, the consistent way of earning gil is doing dungeons, leves, or treasure hunts if farming mobs to sell items on the market board does not work out for you.
Might also want to check if housing furnishing craft materials are still selling on your server, such as Fine Wax, Blue Fox Hide, etc.
These are obtained from dungeons or treasure hunts.
Other than that, I'm haven't really looked into farming too much as gil is not a concern of mine.