Nael Van Darnus

lol

Thx for correcting that. It's been a long time ago. :D

I'm game for the addition of this fight!
As people said, the Minstrel or the Echo could be great ways of implementing this fight.

Besides, if they can work Lightning into this game they can work this fight into it too. >_>

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

I never got to do Rivenroad because my PC stopped working right before the final epic battle of 1.0. I have been sad ever since because Nael van Darnus is one of the most interesting FF villains we've had since Kefka. The only one coming close was Gabranth with his complex past constantly in an internal struggle between justice and revenge.

Being able to finally take on this boss would be fantastic, regardless of the rewards.

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even though you're probably an anti-FFVII from ur post, can't deny that Sephiroth was indeed very interesting as well and I somehow thought that Caius Ballad from FF13-2 was kinda cool

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I like the point someone else brought up about using the Minstrel's Ballad mechanic used to repeat the fight with Ultima Weapon as a means of repeating the battle against Nael Van Darnus. The original fight would still be 1.0 exclusive, but the new fight would be purposely more difficult with new mechanics, exactly like Ultima Weapon. And in the plot of the game, all that would happen is that the Minstrel would be telling the story of the battle, and your character would either remember it if they were legacy, or they would understand what happened if they weren't.

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So long the party still need to farm some mats in the instance first, to craft after the wipe a medicine which is needed to survive Naels special attack ^^

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

At that time, the minstrel was imprisoned by the Yellowjackets I think (cmiiw). And because of that, he could no longer be able to hand out gobbue horns to new adventurers. And also because of that, there is no way he could have heard about event surrounding Rivenroad.[/URL]

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I think after 5 years, information of an important historical battle would still be around. See: every war ever.

even if is not for now, it will be nice to know if they have plan for it sooner or later.
this fight deserve a return. for the new player, like the one that have never done it.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I think after 5 years, information of an important historical battle would still be around. See: every war ever.

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Maybe...

But remember, he is in prison at that time. And considering how the causalities after the end of era were catastrophic, kinda doubt he would get much more detailed information about Rivenroad from people who does survive aside from rumors and gossips. And unless he has connection with any of the scion members, it is kinda highly doubtful.

Need a more concrete reason for the minstrel to be able to recount the tale of Rivenroad. lol

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Need a more concrete reason for the minstrel to be able to recount the tale of Rivenroad. lol

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SPOILER T5 :

He hear that you have met Nael Van Darnus and want you to imagine how it would happens if you had to fight him at Rivenroad.

SPOILERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR ->

Upon completing Turn 5 you SEE NAEL so it is very much possible he is going to be a fight in future turns of Coil.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Shhh you'll get the butthurt legacy players (Goobue uproar lmao) on your case about how newer people like me dont deserve to fight him

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I wouldn't say you don't deserve to fight him, but falling back on older content would be a bad decision in the long run. I'd rather them work on new content, storylines and whatnot instead of bring back something from 1.0 solely because some people can't let go of nostalgia.

On the plus side, battling Nael without the horrible latency between client and server in 1.0 would be very doable, but as I already said: out with the old, in with the new.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I wouldn't say you don't deserve to fight him, but falling back on older content would be a bad decision in the long run. I'd rather them work on new content, storylines and whatnot instead of bring back something from 1.0 solely because some people can't let go of nostalgia.

On the plus side, battling Nael without the horrible latency between client and server in 1.0 would be very doable, but as I already said: out with the old, in with the new.

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Well don't forget SE can always pull the return from the dead thing that some antagonist always end up pulling and have us fight Nael in a future Main Story Scenario content since Coil storyline is just the prequel to a future Main Story Scenario.

Having already beat Nael van Darnus, it would be a bit frustrating if he came back to life as a main antagonist. However, I'm not against it. If they do it right, it could be pretty awesome! But there are two ways for him to "appear," if at least for a short while:

1. Using the Echo to travel back in time, using one of the Warriors of Light (a Legacy player) as a catalyst. Instead of Darnus just coming back to life, you can relive the memory of Legacy players fighting him. This allows newer players to experience the awesome fight with guidance from older players who have already beat him. It's one thing to tell my friends about the epic boss fight; It's another thing to show them.

2. At the end of the Seventh Umbral Era storyline, Darnus gave his body and soul to Bahamut. Perhaps he could be the boss before you fight Bahamut? He could appear as a vengeful ghost and taunt us during the last, say, ten or so Coils, and then appear at the end with special dialogue for Legacy players who already fought him. Players could use the Echo to learn about his past and finally see what he looks like behind his mask. In this case he doesn't come back to life because he's only a Shadow summoned by either Bahamut or the Paragon. Instead of killing him, we're freeing him from Bahamut's grip and allowing him to finally pass on. For legacy players, this would be a worthy Epilogue; for new players this would be an excellent explanation of the lore.

Also Coil Turn 5. His "return" is inevitable at this point. And for the most part, I'm okay with it. I'm just frustrated in the sense that after all the effort I made to kill him, I guess I didn't kill him hard enough. :)

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Originally Posted by yoshikwalla

Also Coil Turn 5. His "return" is inevitable at this point. And for the most part, I'm okay with it. I'm just frustrated in the sense that after all the effort I made to kill him, I guess I didn't kill him hard enough. :)

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Well you know the rule of character's death.

If there is no Body then he can always come back. After all...

he simply disappeared after his defeat. Only thing that was left behind was his Gunlance.

Heck they can even bring back Gaius if they want too and slap on the reason he is still alive was because of his full body armor when the explosion happened and his armor protected him from most of the damage.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well you know the rule of character's death.

If there is no Body then he can always come back. After all...

he simply disappeared after his defeat. Only thing that was left behind was his Gunlance.

Heck they can even bring back Gaius if they want too and slap on the reason he is still alive was because of his full body armor when the explosion happened and his armor protected him from most of the damage.

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Aye, it's one of those things everyone has to deal with when playing any RPG. Frustrating, but fun. :) To be honest, I don't know why Legacy players aren't excited about this! Imagine the Legacy-only dialogue? I think Nael van Darnus would have a lot to say to the guy who KILLED HIM.

I killed him as legacy and would LOVE to see him come back. Best villain and final boss fight in a Final Fantasy game since X vs Jecht.

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Originally Posted by lololink

SPOILER T5 :

He hear that you have met Nael Van Darnus and want you to imagine how it would happens if you had to fight him at Rivenroad.

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lol. How can he 'hear' that?

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

he simply disappeared after his defeat. Only thing that was left behind was his Gunlance.

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Really....

He's not just 'simply' disappeared. His body dissipates at front of us players, turning to glowing dusts. Has similar effect as when characters killed in Final Fantasy X. Watch it on utubes for proves. lol

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Really....

He's not just 'simply' disappeared. His body dissipates at front of us players, turning to glowing dusts. Has similar effect as when characters killed in Final Fantasy X. Watch it on utubes for proves. lol

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You do know that is having his body disappearing.

FF14 also has no relation to FFX and FFX enemies called Fiends are nothing more than Spirits of people who died and never made it to the farplane thus going berserk.

PS I've already seen that video alot already.

lol who says FFXIV & FFX has any relations? It's just the effects. Plus... post FFX do use similar effect when characters got killed. Heck... even FF7 from movie version onward does use these effects. :p

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

lol who says FFXIV & FFX has any relations? It's just the effects. Plus... post FFX do use similar effect when characters got killed. Heck... even FF7 from movie version onward does use these effects. :p

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In Post FFX the disappearing effect for characters still remain only for Spirits. Even with Sin defeat Fiends still remain in the world of Spira.

FF7 movie had characters or enemies disappear like that because they are manifestations created by energy. They were never physical beings such as those Dark hounds that were sent at Cloud during the beginning of the movie.

( i'll stop discussing it here since we both have our own beliefs on what Nael body disappearing means)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

You'd be "butthurt" too if you were promised something exclusive and then they went and gave it to everyone else.

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Only if I were a sad individual who thought 'things' my characters have in an MMO matter to anyone but me .. and yes, I have this mount on my main character on Hyperion, I got it by simply walking to somewhere outside Limsa and talking to an NPC, it was sooooooooooooooooooooo hard and epic.

/shakeshead

If they bring back Rivenroad I hope they retain its randomness. Fixed pattern bosses are starting to bore me to tears.