Future Jobs - What are you expecting?

New jobs nee new classes. Tired of the same weapons for to many things.
Need Guns, Daggers, Katana, Great Katana, Scythes, Great Swords, Hand Axe, Rapier, etc etc.

Variety in Weapons is more important then simply adding more jobs using the same rehashed skills with a 5 extra thrown in.

Also like to see more classes like Archanist, where a melee became a Healer.

Since Yoshi said Musketeer will be one of (if not) the first new classes, I would assume that Corsair and Ranger will be the jobs that branch off that.

For unconfirmed jobs, I'd like:
Ninja - Dual Wield
PUP - another pet class
Berserker - Tank
Geomancer - Enhanced spells based on location (Blizzard spells are stronger in Coerthas. Earth/Fire spells stronger in Thanalan, Wind/Water stronger in La Noscea)
Necromancer - Could branch off THM and really matches the story.
Medic - a DPS Healer hybrid (can branch off LNC since lore states that LNC go through at least SOME CNJ training), least healing capability of the 3 healers but has the best survivability and does more DPS than SCH/WHM.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Geomancer - Enhanced spells based on location (Blizzard spells are stronger in Coerthas. Earth/Fire spells stronger in Thanalan, Wind/Water stronger in La Noscea)

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you can go a bit further with this. The geomancer gets abilities that only work on certain terrain (grass, sand, rock, etc.) The effects of which cannot be resisted (mostly). This can actually make positioning for fights (dungeons esp) more important. rather than having the tank just roll up and face them away, you need to make sure that if you want them slowed, you have them standing on rock (for example). You want group haste? Cant cast until we all get in the water. It can be annoying as hell sometimes (remember FFT?) but the effects can be dominant (risk/reward).

Id also like to see a boss fight where you need to constantly kite it onto different terrain so the GEO can keep adding debuffs to it.

Dancer, though I'm afraid to see it in this game.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't trust them.

I want Sam (miss my Sam from XI), Nin or Beastmaster.
Muskateer would be interesting.

One thing tho.. Why is everyone under the impression that new jobs must stem from current classes?

I don't see why new classes cant be introduced, and jobs stemming from them..

An example could be (roughly): Sam class introduced, Ninja and/or Ronin stemms from that.
Hunter introduced, Beastmaster stems from that...
Something along those lines.
Muskateer could be a new class with new jobs branching from it..

just my 2c...

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Originally Posted by Aicasia

Dancer, though I'm afraid to see it in this game.

Basically what I'm saying is I don't trust them.

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Mm. I watch this and then remember that we're only allowed 27 skills, many of which are dull passives and all of them built in the same system (2 of this type attack, 2 AoE heals, or a DoT/buff combo and a main combo) as the other jobs within the role.

That's not to say that I'm especially impressed by the ability to stand around casting from an enormous list of spells, trading blows, but I'm not sure the ease of balacing of abilities in the current setup was worth the loss of the larger number of abilities, and the feeling of having personal favorites among them (assuming the others aren't pushed out of the class thereafter due to huge imbalance). That said, that minimalization does at least fit our... minimal world, I guess.

For me the larger combat problems haven't changed across XI or especially XIV 1.0-1.23. The AI is commonly bland, and there are few underlying systems. You somehow can't interrupt enemies by dropping a 60-ton meteor on them unless it is specifically a stun ability, you can't confuse enemies by dodging behind them, quickly trading off threat, etc, nor beat them into an angry stupor them without a Berserk spell. You can't soak an enemy in water for extra lightning effectiveness. And in FFXIV you can't even break from combo enough to coordinate multi-enemy attacks (Disembowel on the Bard's target, separate from DRG's main target, without spending the extra 5 seconds), nor is there really any reason to do them. You either single-target, or you AoE. There are shades of strategy because there are only three statuses the game really uses: alive, offensively debuffed (marked for dying), and dead.

Ninja and Darknight are possible fresh additions after Musketeer. Almost all gear can be shared among 2 jobs. WHM and SCH share "of healing", BLM and SMN share "of casting", WAR and PLD share "heavy" and "of fending". DRG, MNK and BRD have nothing to share with. Probably DRK, NIN and MSK will share equipment with those respectively.

DRK "could" be a tank too.

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Originally Posted by Mettaur

Well I would eventually want all the jobs in FFXI to return. Aside from those I would like Viking!

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As much as I'd like that the armory system won't let it happen. Both SMN & SCH are utter crap compared to their XI counterparts, and BLU simply just will not work since it's traditionally a sword user and so unless they added a new sword type would go off GLA's skills and then what....3, maybe 4 spells given from job quests instead of learning magic from enemies? That's exciting... (Same goes for RDM).

THF won't be much good in terms of loot, but could still be handy for hate management and could share a base class with DNC.

PUP might work if they add a sub-section to the armory chest for the automaton. BST would have to be entirely jug-pet based which kinda sucks since regular mobs are complete trash and being able to charm dungeon/raid enemies would just be ridiculously OP.

NIN should be OK if it uses MP rather than tools though I have no idea what the base class would be. Not too sure about SAM either, since we don't have skillchains in this game and MNK already has the whole combo theme going on, plus they gave Meditate to LNC (unless they made SAM LNC's second job)

I don't see too many issues with COR other than Quickdraw. Then again, BRD is utterly gimp as a support class in this and is yet another example of half-arsed design/job confusion.

DRK could be OK if they base it off MRD but make it much more offensive based. They really should have saved ACN's spells for that job though, would make loads more sense (again though, unless they built a new class around it it wouldn't have the same style it did in XI using melee & magic)


Anyhoo you ppl get the point... armory system blows for creativity and should have just been scrapped for a more traditional job system (or at least kept it the way it was in 1.0) and just let us change jobs on the fly using the soul crystals instead of weapons; at least that way we could actually use more than 1 weapon type on each job.

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Originally Posted by NefGP

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While I agree with much of this, I don't think any of this points at a flaw in the armory system itself, but simply its execution.

(I also have to disagree with Bard being half-assed. Its songs are still highly useful, and the cost of damage (which means we do need to have some actual damage capabilities to diminish) makes support an actual choice rather than a passive that one must repeatedly cast.)

The main things that seem problematic to me are simply what the developers think a game ought to include, or, better put for ARR, to be confined to. We can't learn abilities from the open world or from mixing old abilities or from items or side-quests, because... that might be imbalanced O.o. And then that might be harder to deal with. And it would suggest a need for an actual, intriguing world in an MMO, which they have avoided. It would likely also require that our enemies have AI beyond the occasional encounter script and ability make-up. Can't have that. ["Hate management"? What hate management is there for Thief to aid? Without a Monk or QS-less BLM on the boss, I can just auto-attack for half an encounter and hold threat as a tank. We can't exactly redirect special abilities either, moving healer-only shots onto Manawall-ed BLMs.]

The "armory system" as it is is crap, but the idea that I could pick up a sword and start learning how to use it, and that their would be pieces of learning that I could cross-over into other classes, each weapon and uses befitting it giving opportunities to learn more, is kinda... awesome. Sadly, it's only moved further and further from that concept over the course of the game's development.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Since Yoshi said Musketeer will be one of (if not) the first new classes, I would assume that Corsair and Ranger will be the jobs that branch off that.

For unconfirmed jobs, I'd like:
Ninja - Dual Wield
PUP - another pet class
Berserker - Tank
Geomancer - Enhanced spells based on location (Blizzard spells are stronger in Coerthas. Earth/Fire spells stronger in Thanalan, Wind/Water stronger in La Noscea)
Necromancer - Could branch off THM and really matches the story.
Medic - a DPS Healer hybrid (can branch off LNC since lore states that LNC go through at least SOME CNJ training), least healing capability of the 3 healers but has the best survivability and does more DPS than SCH/WHM.

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How would beserker be any different than Warrior?

I just want Thief, it was my favourite job in FFXI.

Blue Mage is going to be almost impossible to pull off in a satisfying way with the way FF XIV is set up. It worked in XI because you had to work for each of your spells and had a massive pool to choose from, that game design philosophy doesn't fly in XIV.

I still foresee their refusal to implement any true support class being a problem in the future in terms of class implementation.

Stuff I want to see:

Lancer
-> Templar (Holy See of Ishgard)
No jump attacks, those are for Dragoon, substitute in other mechanics such as dragon's breath abilities

Fencer (rapier)
-> Red Mage (melee/caster/support)
-> Spellblade (Holy See of Ishgard)

Scout (cloak&dagger stealth class)
-> Thief (Ala Mhigo, the poor underclass must steal to survive, stealing becomes an art)
-> Ninja (Far East)

Conjurer
-> Geomancer (Ala Mhigo, expand on stone, air, water abilities, caster DD/support, similar sense of spirituality as Monk)

Arcanist
-> Warlock/Necromancer
Able to summon ahriman/succubi/skeleton etc, Aetherflow becomes Voidflow, needs lore justification, but fits with DoT abilities+summoning

Marauder
-> Dark Knight (expand HP steal mechanics, add HP cost abilities)
I don't particularly care about this so much but I think this is a likely fit because of existing Marauder abilities

Personally I've always thought DRK would go off GLA because Paladin and Dark Knight have traditionally been linked ever since Cecil.

I think Dark Knight should be lancer plus black mage... Dark Knight sound more like a dps, and their armor is tight like dragoon's. Should be lancer.

gladiator/arcanist - dark knight (melee caster DPS)
Thaum/gladiator - mage tank (think like age of Conan class)
Maurader/lnc - berserker (melee DPS)
Lnc/cnj - (melee based proc healer? hybrid/support)
Arc/lnc - Ranger (ranged pure dps

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Originally Posted by casker

Stuff I want to see:

Lancer
-> Templar (Holy See of Ishgard)
No jump attacks, those are for Dragoon, substitute in other mechanics such as dragon's breath abilities

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Don't see the skill set seeing as the Holy See is at war with the Dragons. Can't see them using Dragon skills or belittling themselves to learn the ways of Dragons to use their attacks. If a Templar came out for the Lancer, I'd expect more holy based attacks similar to the Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by XanderOlivieri

Don't see the skill set seeing as the Holy See is at war with the Dragons. Can't see them using Dragon skills or belittling themselves to learn the ways of Dragons to use their attacks. If a Templar came out for the Lancer, I'd expect more holy based attacks similar to the Dragoon.

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Yeah I agree. It was just an idea inspired by FFTA/FFTA2. Well I was thinking it would be some kind of imitation like "we can do what you do, better" or using the dragon's own abilities against them, and I was thinking a move like Holy Breath. Since Dragoon is all about killing dragons, Templar would be a new angle that way. But yes, predominantly Templar would have something to do with the Archbishop and Holy attacks.