CT Loot System 1.876 millionth thread about it! Bad game design.

In the meantime, please grant Loot Allowances to affected players who opened Support Tickets in a timely manner. I believe this would be a) appropriate, b) equitable, & c) fair.

*I am an affected player - my incident occurred 1/4/2013 in the AM, I opened a Support Ticket immediately... it's been three and a half days :(

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Originally Posted by Gesser

In the meantime, please grant Loot Allowances to affected players who opened Support Tickets in a timely manner. I believe this would be a) appropriate, b) equitable, & c) fair.

*I am an affected player - my incident occurred 1/4/2013 in the AM, I opened a Support Ticket immediately... it's been three and a half days :(

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Not to be a jerk, but it's not gonna happen. The amount of man power it would take to handle the thousands of tickets that come in would be nuts. Especially since the problem won't be fixed until 2.15, more and more keep happening.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Not to be a jerk, but it's not gonna happen. The amount of man power it would take to handle the thousands of tickets that come in would be nuts. Especially since the problem won't be fixed until 2.15, more and more keep happening.

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In that case, SE Dev's:

Please compensate by giving EVERY player a 2-loot week.

In reply, 1) they should be responding to all Support Tickets anyway... I don't mean to imply they must act immediately on all accounts and 2) "timely manner" should help filter results tremendously, say only affected players who cared enough to open tickets within an hour of the occurrence.

the amount of maintenance without hotfixes this game goes through compared to others is unreasonably high, and saying something is going to be fixed in the next version instead of in a hotfix just means they don't care enough about their customer's opinions.

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

The loot lockout prevents players from getting all the loot they want in a week

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This is a side effect of its intended design not its main objective.

The single item a week has to be the single most idiotic thing I have seen implemented for a long time, I could see this being put in a F2P MMO but one with a subscription? LOL

Im glad coil is easy enough that I can skip CT and gear up in ilvl90 pieces quicker than I can in ilvl80, oh wait...most of us did that already.

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What I would like to see is them removing the possibility of kicking someone when a loot is in progress. Friend of mine got kicked cause the majority of the party was pre-made and a chest dropped. Easy win for them and it's very frustrating for the people that needs it but is in minority.

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That's reportable.

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Im glad coil is easy enough that I can skip CT and gear up in ilvl90 pieces quicker than I can in ilvl80, oh wait...most of us did that already.

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It's for alts, for my main (brd) I only took one item from CT. For for every other class I level it's a great stepping stone to i90 and an easy way to earn tomes. Because no matter how fast you gear that alt, there's always going to be room to fit in some i80 items before getting to i90. SO if you're playing one job exclusively at 50, then sure. For everyone else though, no.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Greetings,

The development team is aware that loot in Crystal Tower is automatically being given to the last player remaining in the battlefield after all of the other party members have exited. They will be making adjustments to this in patch 2.15.

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Why were so many of us told "Oh well, your fault and nothing we can do about it" when we reported these problems?

Why don't you people just pass gear fast lol

Look, everyone knows it sucks, apparently including SE. They said they're fixing it, that should be the end of it now.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

That aside, I agree - if you don't click "Need" or "Greed" it shouldn't apply a lockout.

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Man it happened to me moments ago. I disregard the loot. I forgot about it when all of the sudden, the victory song ran and it was a major F-me moment. Yeah it was my fault... but CT's graphics and environment was just too amazing for me to stop looking away as I sprint through the crowd.

I would suggest that maybe... Make it so that if you don't click need or greed, you shouldn't be able to even obtain it for that matter. Just have the "pass" option available for you to "hurry it up" and give it to someone else kind of thing. Because if you really want/need it... you would have already done something about it.

Wait, this was already hotfix when you made the thread

Unless you dc'ed for 300sec, which would have meant you will be forced out of the instance already

What about people (like myself) who lost an entire week of CT loot because of this? I called customer support, who told me after waiting on hold for 30 minutes, that I needed to talk to a GM in-game because they (customer support) do not handle in-game support. So I sent a ticket through the game console but never heard from a GM...

I don't think there is GM support like we're use to in other games. They just sent boiler plate responses that don't address 99% of the specific issues we have.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Look, everyone knows it sucks, apparently including SE. They said they're fixing it, that should be the end of it now.

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Yes SE can now "finally" agree, since they got more then enough of us complaining about the problem at hand.
Yet when we "told" SE what was going on, their 1st response was "We can't help you and you got the item you didn't want so why are you complaining to us?"
When we didn't even "Need/Greed" on the crappy loot item we didn't want.
Now that they acknowledge the problem, they'll attempt to fix it and if it continues to happen I'm more then sure we'll still get the same response as before. =/
So all in all SE still doesn't care, we'll still get screwed on loots and all will be unhappy.
Good job SE :D Keep up that "great work" you consider yourselves doing! >.>rofl

I died at the end last night due to another partys Iron giant aggroing us. I didn't get revived and now I'm stuck with a crappy dragoon chest piece when I'll probably never play that job.

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Originally Posted by diulalasing

Wait, this was already hotfix when you made the thread

Unless you dc'ed for 300sec, which would have meant you will be forced out of the instance already

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Seriously trolling, cause 2.15 hotfixes haven't gone out yet, that's tonight >.>

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Originally Posted by Doo

I died at the end last night due to another partys Iron giant aggroing us. I didn't get revived and now I'm stuck with a crappy dragoon chest piece when I'll probably never play that job.

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Why didn't you simply start at the beginning and teleport instead of staying dead the entire loot period?
I agree the design is flawed but you could of avoided that one on your own.

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Originally Posted by Hazanko

Seriously trolling, cause 2.15 hotfixes haven't gone out yet, that's tonight >.>

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Ya, this guy is either trolling or has no idea what is going on. Cause the hot fix didn't go in when I posted this thread.

For your info: Hot Fix Tonight

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Originally Posted by Doo

I died at the end last night due to another partys Iron giant aggroing us. I didn't get revived and now I'm stuck with a crappy dragoon chest piece when I'll probably never play that job.

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Err, this is your fault. You can roll (and pass) on stuff while dead.

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Originally Posted by am0n

Err, this is your fault. You can roll (and pass) on stuff while dead.

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If you get loot that you don't want simply by not passing in a minute, then something is wrong.

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Originally Posted by spar13

Why didn't you simply start at the beginning and teleport instead of staying dead the entire loot period?
I agree the design is flawed but you could of avoided that one on your own.

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I died right at the last hit before the boss went down. I thought other healer would instant revive me but everyone scrambled out of the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by am0n

The discussion about auto-obtaining a piece of loot if you don't pass is a valid one. However, your post made it sound like the reason you got stuck with the loot automatically was because you were dead. This is not the case. You can pass while dead.

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Now I know. I didn't realize I can pass while I'm dead and that I had to make snap decisions in order to get loot that I don't want.

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Originally Posted by Doo

If you get loot that you don't want simply by not passing in a minute, then something is wrong.

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Originally Posted by Doo

I didn't get revived and now I'm stuck with a crappy dragoon chest piece when I'll probably never play that job.

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The discussion about auto-obtaining a piece of loot if you don't pass is a valid one. However, your post made it sound like the reason you got stuck with the loot automatically was because you were dead. This is not the case. You can pass while dead.

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people just ignore the loot window. I make sure to click at least one of the three buttons as soon as possible, because causing someone to wait for the results of something just because I don't care about it is asinine. Just click pass and move on.

That being said, getting forced loot because you were the last one to hit pass and everyone else left is an issue on the last boss, and is going to be addressed. Problem solved, crisis averted. Thinking SE owes you for receiving loot that you didn't want is bordering on ridiculous, though.

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Originally Posted by Kaloran

It's kind of a pet peeve of mine when people just ignore the loot window. I make sure to click at least one of the three buttons as soon as possible, because causing someone to wait for the results of something just because I don't care about it is asinine. Just click pass and move on.

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This, +1.
Its like the idiots that drive in the fast lane at 20MPH and refuse to move. Or the people who walk in rows of 4 down the mall blocking everyone else behind them from overtaking. Or the people who suddenly decide to start texting someone in the entrance to a building. Or the mother#$%#%$# who parks his car in your driveway.

If only I had Bruce Wayne's money... forget the Jokers and Banes, I would come after these people with my billions.

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Originally Posted by Warku

the amount of maintenance without hotfixes this game goes through compared to others is unreasonably high, and saying something is going to be fixed in the next version instead of in a hotfix just means they don't care enough about their customer's opinions.

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Quoted for the absolute truth

Wow! Glad to see this is being addressed considering the fact that I submitted multiple tickets in-game since it started to happen to me on 12/31. However, the in-game GMs just dismissed the issue and told me I should have passed.

I started a thread in the Bugs section, and it was promptly closed by a moderator stating that this was a "gameplay" issue.

I roll through CT exclusively as a WAR and I know how difficult it can be actually getting to duty up because people will withdraw unless the dungeon is already half way done. Iv'e been running two weeks now trying to get tank headpiece when it does I have lost out on need/greed to tanks that either have AF2 headpiece or allagan. They clearly don't NEED it if they have lvl 90 allagan gear so they shouldn't be allowed to roll need if they do. I don't want to come off as whining but when you lose out after telling your co-tank what you're looking for, and they respond with 'well i just wanted it to have it." I'm sure you'd be a bit miffed too.

tl;dr Make it so players with a higher gear level can't need on loot that is lower in their corresponding class. (ex. a monk with level 90 chest can't need on fuma chest if there's another monk in the party with lower gear)

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Originally Posted by Doo

If you get loot that you don't want simply by not passing in a minute, then something is wrong.

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Yes something is wrong, it took you too long to pass.

Unfortunately I became a victim to this last night (Monday / reset day) after joining 2 glitched instances (Bosses stuck in loop, Bone Dragon and Acheron), a crashed instance on the third try which left me dead in my inn room and on the completion of the forth run I was in end CS (PS3) and everybody was exiting my alliance right as I was navigating to pass the item when it dropped to me as the last person left and I ended up with an item I cant use anytime in the near future. From no fault of my own other than having slow load times on CS due to PS3 I have been put in the time out corner for the rest of the week :( Some of my LS mates were in my alliance but were unaware of this "bug" but my pain is our gain and this should be the last time it happens. I like the idea of trading unneeded loot for items that can be used, or the no-lot drop idea but until this issue is resolved communication with your team is your best bet.

you know, normal people dn't usually care if their virtual character gets an useless item and is unable to get a lv80 gear for 1 week.
somehow players here tand to forget that this is just a game.

It has been addressed and will be dealt with in the next update. Just accept it.

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Originally Posted by Tano

you know, normal people dn't usually care if their virtual character gets an useless item and is unable to get a lv80 gear for 1 week.
somehow players here tand to forget that this is just a game.

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Um, what? Who died and made you the arbiter of what "normal" behavior is? What are your qualifications, exactly, for this job? o_O

What you really mean is that you aren't upset by such a thing, so the rest of us should shut the hell up. Well, pumpkin, you aren't the arbiter of normal and you don't have the right (or even the experience) to tell other people what they should or should not be upset about.

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It has been addressed and will be dealt with in the next update. Just accept it.

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You...haven't been on the internet for very long, have you?

How could you finished the dungeon if you lagged that much?

If you got carried by 23 players then you deserved what you got.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Greetings,

The development team is aware that loot in Crystal Tower is automatically being given to the last player remaining in the battlefield after all of the other party members have exited. They will be making adjustments to this in patch 2.15.

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Thanks so much for taking the steps to fix this issue.

My only question to the devs is what, if anything, will be done to help those who had submitted tickets in the past but lost a week of loot anyways due to this poor game-design?

Thanks for your consideration of my reply.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

How could you finished the dungeon if you lagged that much?

If you got carried by 23 players then you deserved what you got.

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Wow.. Is this really is this what you think? That I got carried? Not sure how you can be so ignorant. To claim that people deserve what they got w/o any fault of their own... Sounds like you are just trolling.

The point of this thread was simply about game design and a SE Community rep Hvinire has responded with exactly what "we" wanted to hear.

Thanks,

Just got burned by this autoloot bug too. Thanks for the horrendous (though let's be honest, its SE and therefore to be expected) design flaw.