2 new dungeouns what are you expecting

I'm hoping for a Dynamis style Dungeon, with long-term content and goals.

Something tied into the Grand Companies of Eorzea (which is hinted at already), where they may commission you to explore this Dungeon / Area and there are multiple areas to conquer / fight in (with different objectives).

Ideally, you build up Grand Company Reputation or Currency or Favor and earn Ranks, earn access to exclusive Grand Company Gear and perhaps this is the start of stuff like nice JSE (Job Specific Equipment) or Relic Weapons. :)

It doesn't have to be long in 1 playthrough, but it should be repeatable and interesting enough that you have incentive to go back again and again to different areas / situations. (like going through Dynamis-Xarcabard for Relic Currency, or to beat Shadow Lord, or to fight other NMs in the area, like getting your Attestation of Celerity, Might, Vigor, etc. for upgrades).

THAT would be pretty sweet. :)

One can hope.

I'm expecting something worthwhile lol

I hope they don't mess up and repeat Dynamis (XI) mistake... make sure it has multiple instances, not one group at a time bull crap. They did have it working in Assault and other stuff so hopefully they wont do this mistake... but just saying...

I ask for hour long, with option to choose difficulty like the leve's higher difficulty = better rewards, easier difficulty = less reward but for people who likes to play in 2-3 people party or just with friends will be able to still enjoy the dungeons.

I think Yoshi-P already said it's not going to be random maps so that's out of the question, imo would of been more interesting/challenging but at same time if they did add it I see the copy/paste everything hell...

I kind of liked dungeons in DDO (I hate Dungeon and Dragons btw... some friends were into that stuff back in the days wearing armors and talking all weird... don't mind if they were just playing but these guys were FULL ON into it... anyways i just loved the online game since each dungeon was kind of unique + had narration which made it fun, graphics was total crap though lolol)

They've already said the dungeons will be instanced.

No idea, endgame raids have never been my "Thing" in MMO's so I can't say I'm brainstorming how the system will work.

Go in smash easy mobs, fight a medium tough NM, win, much like faction system, prolly just copied it over.

My first thought is that there will be a R30 dungeon and a R50 dungeon. The R30 dungeon will have a fight through waves of enemies to reach a final boss. Depending on how you defeat that boss, there will be different possible drops (think the colored trigger system in abyssea). Then the R30 dungeons could drop a base Class specific armor or weapon. Like a PGL only body piece.
Now for the R50 dungeon, the theory and strategy will be somewhat the same, but it won't drop gear, only seals of somesort that you will use to upgrade your R30 dungeon piece into something greater. These seal drops will be combined with guild marks from the guilds. You then have to turn in your R30 piece, the # of seals from dungeon, and also guild marks for the guild to upgrade your piece into the final form.
Eventually these upgraded R50 armor pieces will be even further upgradable via materia.

I expect them to be alot more like Limbus or Salvage in Length.

Unfortunately I think the 3hr massive raids which defined the genre are basically gone... people too casual now days.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

I expect them to be alot more like Limbus or Salvage in Length.

Unfortunately I think the 3hr massive raids which defined the genre are basically gone... people too casual now days.

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I do miss such content. People claim to just not have the time anymore but I highly doubt that is the case. If people could do it 5-10 years ago, they can still do it now. Times have not changed.

Behest in a cave. But hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised and it'll be a bit more involved than that.

hopefully not brainless tank and spank. thought out pulls like dyna with a few nyzul isle puzzles.

i honestly hope SE designs boss battles that take a whole party to defeat.

making us feel like going on real adventures and feeling of accomplishment.

lets hope they get it right :)

expecting fights where everyone just abuses emulate lol

I'm sure Emulate will be one of the first skills hit with the nerf bat.

In the company section on lodestone there's a pic of a guy in the dungeon fighting puks and chigres. If the dungeons consist of puks and chigre than you're super lame dev team! God help you if you dint design new mobs for the dungeons, and I dont consider recoloring puks designing.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

2-3 hours of interesting dynamic combat/boss fights

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½ hour - 1 hour tank and spank mobs tank and spank bosses snoozefest

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something different.

What do you think?

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We will see a Pokemon dungeon... gotta kill em all, gotta kill em all!!

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Originally Posted by SAMINUS

We will see a Pokemon dungeon... gotta kill em all, gotta kill em all!!

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With a full party of archers, I don't see why not.

Who cares, it's new content and everyone will eat it up. Who cares if it takes 2 hours to digest or 2 months. Bring it on!

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

one is apperently geared to 4 man the other to 8 man, thats why 2

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I know why two, did you even read my post? read it again.

Hmmmm what am I expecting? another 2 week delay, More half truths and broken promises. Then eventually a half assed, poor excuse for a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by SHJcules

I expect a rush to danger with my group of seven rag tag adventurers. where once inside we are met with small resistance to slightly bolster our morale and confidence. Then, as we venture and survive deeper into the darkness, and our time inside increases, enemy forces will see us as a true threat and throw their best at us in an effort to reclaim influence over their home. If they succeed in surrounding and overwhelming us, we will be force booted from the dungeon in the form of retreat, should the influence sway to far in their favor. Players now at the edge of their seats, stomping their heels, turning off their cell phone, and screaming at each-other in an effort to organize and unify as a group as to maximize killing efficiency and lower casualty rates (and wishing they would've snagged some more consumables beforehand!), so to venture far enough and hopefully remain player influence long enough to have a chance at even seeing Mr. Final Boss. Should we fail now, our consolation prize is only whatever experience and rare loot we were lucky enough to procure up to this point. Should we succeed, we will be awarded any number of goodies, including increasing our ties and trust with the issuing authorities, in the hopes that one day they entrust us to even more grueling and threatening tasks.

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You, sir, win this thread.

I can't wait for the dungeons! I'm hoping for some real satisfying party play.

Leves and Behests are short and casual. I hope these will be more substantial. I expect SP, gear drops, and hopefully something that ties into quests/story, maybe even faction rep.

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Originally Posted by longtallsally

expecting fights where everyone just abuses emulate lol

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You are a sagely man... or woman... dunno

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Originally Posted by quantumsaint

I'm sure Emulate will be one of the first skills hit with the nerf bat.

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Hope to God so.

I'm hopeful for both types to be honest. Other games had combinations of both, even FFXI. I want short-lived, easy to get with your friends and have some fun events with some strategy thrown in, but I also want those events where you really need to know exactly what you're doing in order to complete it.

disappointment.

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Originally Posted by Acerimmer

I reckon you will go in and talk to an NPC, sign up for a "Dungeonhest" if you will, and bash out that checklist. Honestly though... I'm blindly hoping for something challenging, to keep me busy for 2+ months.

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Ace ^^

Me too, bud. Me too.

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Originally Posted by CanteJondo

However what I'm expecting is a small cave with a dodo in it that surprises us all by turning into an imp that you have to kill to complete. XD

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This made my day

Otherwise, I'm very interested in the feeling I got when my CoP static beat Oryu for the first time. It took a few tries but when we put our heads together and came up with some good strategy the feeling when the BCNM ended was pretty damn awesome. I hope whatever content they add can re-create that feeling.

I don't really care too much about the format so long as it has longevity, an interesting backstory and something to work towards. :) Dynamis-esque.

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Originally Posted by Meridian

I think 2-3 hours is too long.

Hopefully something about an hour long, with some interesting fights thrown in.

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I have to disagree, 2-3hr would be great! If you want to do something that takes an hour go fight a WNM do leves or actually play the game Meridian. ^_^

I'm just hoping for something different, I'm confident SE can provide that.

Logically, these will most likely be easy 'starter' dungeons. They've confirmed they will be raising the level cap, so rank 30 and rank 50 dungeons will most likely be toned down to suit better to beginners. I doubt experienced MMO players will be challenged during these events, unless there are some serious balance issues; considering the new battle changes, this is entirely likely.

I don't imagine there will be any truly spectacular events within these dungeons, aside from the garlean prescence alluded to by the Grand Company page, I am hard pressed to find any reason why these dungeons will be an important part of FFXIV.

For the moment though, they will be the endgame. Hopefully they satisfy the broadest majority of players and keep them playing. No doubt there will be flame threads attacking SE for not making it hard enough, but so is the nature of 17 year old basement monsters.

Final boss will be a bigger fucsia Djigga! XD

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Originally Posted by Roaran

Logically, these will most likely be easy 'starter' dungeons. They've confirmed they will be raising the level cap, so rank 30 and rank 50 dungeons will most likely be toned down to suit better to beginners. I doubt experienced MMO players will be challenged during these events, unless there are some serious balance issues; considering the new battle changes, this is entirely likely.

I don't imagine there will be any truly spectacular events within these dungeons, aside from the garlean prescence alluded to by the Grand Company page, I am hard pressed to find any reason why these dungeons will be an important part of FFXIV.

For the moment though, they will be the endgame. Hopefully they satisfy the broadest majority of players and keep them playing. No doubt there will be flame threads attacking SE for not making it hard enough, but so is the nature of 17 year old basement monsters.

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or there will be people complaining it is too hard, but so is the nature of mama's boys. the whole game has been made for the people that can't put one foot in front of the other and it's time they added something for people that brings some kind of challenge.

What I want it to be:

A dungeon where you can focus on sections during the week, like how WoW does their raid dungeons. A dungeon with set amount of difficult bosses which take a fair amount of strategy to take down, while mobs to fight in between. Dropping all sorts of incredible class specific equipment and awesome looking new weapons. Not to mention, a kick ass story and quests with rewards to go with it.

What it will probably be:

A one hour dungeon where you run through, sneak past enemies, and fight bosses you can spam attacks on. The drops will probably be decent, but lacking in what people were looking for in dungeon loots.

But that is me being a jerk, I hope to be surprised. :P

I am expecting a day-one-clear dungeon with stupid hour to day restriction to buy them enough time for the next patch.

but i dont mind being proof wrong.

After reading the thread where the mod confirms that SE has no damn idea if beastmen coins will ever serve a purpose my expectations are very very low. Beastmen coins would be so easy to create some ingame events/content/BCNM/purpose for these coins that have been in the game for so long. Thanks for letting me collect something and use like 10 slots of my inventory on that may or may not have any value. You guys rock.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

After reading the thread where the mod confirms that SE has no damn idea if beastmen coins will ever serve a purpose my expectations are very very low.

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This boggles my mind. How can something like this slip past the developers? This goes to show just how disorganized the team really is and why the game was launched in it's state.

Honestly I think the answer we received in the Beast Coin thread was simply a cover so they don't hint towards the true nature of their plans. It's easier and more believable to say "we aren't sure yet, it's a 50/50" than "no comment" and have people speculating like crazy.

These items will do something, they just don't want to tell us what it is because that will affect their economic impact on the game LARGELY before the "purpose" is ever actually released. Essentially they don't really want more than a few smart players to have built up a massive stash of these items and then be able to use them all on the first day of content release and become some sort of God.

There is way too much expectation in this thread lol. Dont blame you guys but I feel some are going to get seriously upset XD

I'm hoping the dungeons will be something like Nyzul Isle, but will also provide decent XP.


What I want from dungeons:

-Difficulty

-Numerous waves/stages of enemies that must be cleared in order to reach the boss (a boss that is so difficult, that the use of items/food would be necessary to have a decent chance of victory).

-Good gear drop potential from end bosses

-DIFFICULTY

-time limit (with extensions based on performance) I don't want dungeons to be over too quickly, but I also want there to be a sense of urgency. Solid teamwork would be required to reach higher stages and the boss.

-A point system, which would eventually allow you to acquire rare/ex gear (Einherjar)
Points would be awarded based on the level reached/boss killed. Points could also be exchanged for powerful, temporary items that would give you an advantage in the dungeon.

-Random encounters/enemies/events. This should be an adventure, not something that you can simply look up on wiki and follow a guide step-by-step.

-Optional Challenges! If you accept the challenge you place certain restrictions on your party (lower health/mp, no items can be used, weapons skills can only be used in BR, etc.), but you increase your point gain/drop rate. This could be done on a floor-by-floor bases.

-Should require a good party setup! Unlike leves, a tank and healer should be a MUST in your party build.

-Interesting enemies: 'Blood-agro' undead, Chigoes (Yes, the cool ones from FFXI), and things that you simply want to avoid. Those are the mobs that belong in a dungeon. Sneak & Invis anyone? Those should be a must for some dangerous mobs.

-Ability to rejoin the party after a DC. How much does it sting to leve-link & GA Dunes/Ranine, only to DC a moment later? I am hoping players will be allowed to join back into their party without penalty after a DC.

-EXTREME DIFFICULTY (maybe an option to play at a lower difficulty, but with a severe reduction in drop rate)
Poisona, Silena, etc? I almost forgot I had them! Please make them important in dungeons. Give the DD's some form of crowd-control (sleep/bind abilities) so the mages don't hog all the fun.


I am really just hoping these dungeons give me a reason to log-on.

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Originally Posted by viion

There is way too much expectation in this thread lol. Dont blame you guys but I feel some are going to get seriously upset XD

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The expectations bar has been set fairly low for me based on previous experience. I'm not expecting much at this point. Anything beyond an utter failure of a patch will make me happy. Hell, a couple instances with several mobs and some new NMs would actually do the trick, assuming the gear at least looks cool.

you know they could always incorporate the leve star system into dungeons. You have the option to do the dungon on a 1,2 or 3 start to get your feet wet, but perhaps the difficulty and the possibility of good drops only come on the 4-5 star dungeon. And I'm not just talking about increasing the level of mobs. perhaps higher star dungeon could have extra waves of mobs, or different mobs all together.

just thinking out load, still have a month tops to fantasize what these dungeons will become. lol