Yoshi-P says WHM was not nerfed, situation similar to "warrior is strong" fiasco

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Originally Posted by Fira_Bug

Dude... your entire post, I was totally with you the entire way. Great way to put it down on paper and truly analyze everything. But this line right here... that's where you lost all respect. You are going to tell Yoshi that you know the classes better than the people who made them...? Seriously? You want the devs to see this? So what? They can hate you for bashing them and then TELLING them its a bash. So rude and disrespectful. You almost had a perfect analytic post.

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Slap/hug me hard, I apologize if I am rude & disrespectful, obviously the devs know better than the players, without them the players can't even control anything on screen but truth hurts sometimes. I couldn't help it, the outrage & cries from endgame theorycrafters in regard to "warrior is strong" is still ringing in my ears although it is almost gone now due to the bountiful buffs. I just wish to add that no matter how the devs want the players to play, there will always be someone out there doing unexpected stuff.

Edited OP (edit: we know more because we spend much more time on a particular class over time & not because we are better than your devs).
Thanks for slapping/hugging me with your post.

CureIII is only inefficient if casting on a single person. For every extra person it hits, the efficiency is increased. So if you have your group gathered AoE'ing mobs down CureIII is definitely a viable option. Almost the same potency of cure 2 and AoE. Of course it is situational, but now it is a little more useful when your party is grouped up.

Also Divine Seal + 2.1 MedicaII will be amazing, especially if you toss Regen on the tank as well. That's almost 30 seconds of hands free curing on a lot of bosses.

I always abused Holy. It IMHO was the best DPS spell hands down...but was on a healing class. No one should be upset over this change. 200 potency is still a helluva lot for an AoE spell with stun.

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Originally Posted by VisRalis

Yup. Yup.
But it is what it is.
It's FFXIV.

(For you - That's the problem)

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Conforming to the status quo isn't the answer. You're essentially enabling Square to be lazy and to think it's okay to dictate.

I'm blown away that you can see the problem, yet not speak up. Pretty sure that was the entire premise of a well known George Orwell book.

I'm at a loss with this. Good luck to you, I guess.

Medica II
Old - ~300HP per second.
New - ~150HP per second.

It's a nerf. who cares if it's last longer? We can recast it and I'd rather have the good old high healing potency one, just recast it more often but it will be more useful for sure.


Holy
What's the problem if we want to play it that way? why do we have to play the game the way you want us to play? why do we even have Cleric Stance if you don't want us to attack?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

What's the problem if we want to play it that way? why do we have to play the game the way you want us to play? why do we even have Cleric Stance if you don't want us to attack?

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For the Twelve's sake will you shhhhhhh. They might hear you. Don't give them any ideas.

For your statement of halving my DPS if DoTs had the same applied to them, as a Monk i would kill for 3x 30 second DoTs. Gives me more time to push out Snap Punches and True Strikes. Thereby upping my DPS .... Imagine if SMN had to recast DoTs half as often, and were able to dedicate more MP to Ruins or ... whatever else SMN has.

You are now encouraged to apply Medica II first, Then use Medica I and Cure III as the situation dictates.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Medica II
Holy
What's the problem if we want to play it that way? why do we have to play the game the way you want us to play? why do we even have Cleric Stance if you don't want us to attack?

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Lol, Cleric Stance is so that you can still solo without being gimp -_-

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Originally Posted by Sylve

For your statement of halving my DPS if DoTs had the same applied to them, as a Monk i would kill for 3x 30 second DoTs. Gives me more time to push out Snap Punches and True Strikes. Thereby upping my DPS .... Imagine if SMN had to recast DoTs half as often, and were able to dedicate more MP to Ruins or ... whatever else SMN has.

You are now encouraged to apply Medica II first, Then use Medica I and Cure III as the situation dictates.



Lol, Cleric Stance is so that you can still solo without being gimp -_-

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Lol, Cleric Stance that let's me crit Stone II for over 600 with a recast of every 2 seconds (less with Presence Of Mind).

Your argument holds no weight. Damage is damage.

Contribute or don't post. It's not difficult.

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Originally Posted by Marishi-Ten

Lol, Cleric Stance that let's me crit Stone II for over 600 with a recast of every 2 seconds (less with Presence Of Mind).

Your argument holds no weight. Damage is damage.

Contribute or don't post. It's not difficult.

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Since presence of mind only works with healing spells...But yes stone II is very spamtastic.

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Originally Posted by Shadowsend

Since presence of mind only works with healing spells...But yes stone II is very spamtastic.

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Are you sure? I've used Presence Of Mind on mobs like Demon Wall and I've noticed a difference. The ability description doesn't say it's limited to healing spells only, but that it increases Spell Speed. I've always assumed it was all magic casting

http://xivdb.com/?skill/136/Presence-of-Mind

thought it say increases spell speed of healing spells in game. I could be mistaken tho. i have been often. lol Maybe im confused with the divine seal tool tip only being healing. either way stone II is a great spell to spam. low mp cost and great dmg.

The whole purpose of Medica 2 isn't HPS or Burst, it's like the back up to an actual burst heal like Medica (or Cure 3 now).
Probably made it a helluva lot more efficient.

Holy. I shouldn't even have to say something about the 2nd strongest AoE in the game belonging to a healer, along with a 6 second stun.

Cure 3, it was buffed, why whine? It may not be the greatest thing, but it'll have its uses.

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Originally Posted by Marishi-Ten

Lol, Cleric Stance that let's me crit Stone II for over 600 with a recast of every 2 seconds (less with Presence Of Mind).

Your argument holds no weight. Damage is damage.

Contribute or don't post. It's not difficult.

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Tell me, how much does your Stone II crit for without Cleric Stance in i49 gear? Sure as hell isn't going to be 600. Due it's bonus being percentile with a swap of MND -> INT, It was always going to scale outrageously with high end gear. Doesn't make my point any less valid.
Cleric Stance is gained at level 6 and is only available to Healer classes. Level a CNJ/WHM/SCH outside of Dungeons to 50 without ever using Cleric Stance. Tell me how that works out for you.
The skill is designed to enhance a CNJ/WHM/SCH's ability to solo. That it has use as well in group play doesn't make the skills original purpose invalid.

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Originally Posted by Marishi-Ten

Are you sure? I've used Presence Of Mind on mobs like Demon Wall and I've noticed a difference. The ability description doesn't say it's limited to healing spells only, but that it increases Spell Speed. I've always assumed it was all magic casting

http://xivdb.com/?skill/136/Presence-of-Mind

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It works for attacks as well. Stone and Holy apply. Pretty much any magic it works on.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Tell me, how much does your Stone II crit for without Cleric Stance in i49 gear? Sure as hell isn't going to be 600. Due it's bonus being percentile with a swap of MND -> INT, It was always going to scale outrageously with high end gear. Doesn't make my point any less valid.
Cleric Stance is gained at level 6 and is only available to Healer classes. Level a CNJ/WHM/SCH outside of Dungeons to 50 without ever using Cleric Stance. Tell me how that works out for you.
The skill is designed to enhance a CNJ/WHM/SCH's ability to solo. That it has use as well in group play doesn't make the skills original purpose invalid.

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I can't speak for the lower gear. Though, you're missing the point. Damage is damage. Would you rather the WHM just stand there? Wouldn't you want to squeeze as much damage as you could out of everyone to make the run more efficient? I'm not going to DD because I need to wait 45 seconds to 1 minute before stoneskin breaks so I can cure I > Cure II > Regen > Stoneskin. Hey, if you don't like efficiency, by all means, tell your WHM to not go into Cleric Stance. I DD because I'm contributing more so if I held off, I have the MP and the time to without people dying, and to stave off boredom. I've never been asked to not Cleric Stance. If I was, I'd laugh and do it anyway. I know my own limitations.

Why would I not use an ability I have access to? To handicap myself? If it can be used to augment or better achieve your/your parties goals, why would you not use it?

My points are as valid as yours. Let's call it a draw and move on.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Tell me, how much does your Stone II crit for without Cleric Stance in i49 gear? Sure as hell isn't going to be 600. Due it's bonus being percentile with a swap of MND -> INT, It was always going to scale outrageously with high end gear. Doesn't make my point any less valid.
Cleric Stance is gained at level 6 and is only available to Healer classes. Level a CNJ/WHM/SCH outside of Dungeons to 50 without ever using Cleric Stance. Tell me how that works out for you.
The skill is designed to enhance a CNJ/WHM/SCH's ability to solo. That it has use as well in group play doesn't make the skills original purpose invalid.

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And what, pray tell, was Holy designed for? The stun? If so, then why does it have such a long casting time? Your argument has just failed. A player not using ALL of their useful abilities in a fight is one I don't want in my team.

more and more i am geting the impression this guy has no idea what he is doing...
he is starting to remind me of motomu toriyama in that.

Not sure we needed another thread on this topic but for what it's worth: Here is my run down in regards to current end game content:

There are hardly any situations where there is constant light aoe damage incoming (if any at all - depends on how you define it).
In any situation you want to have the party topped up as soon as possible. Who in their right mind would let a party sit at low HP and hope for a regen that ticks for 30 seconds to top them off.

Now, Yoshi said they want us to use Medica II as a buffer and that Cure III should be the go to heal.

Several problems with this:

Medica II should tick for 30 seconds without overheals to make full benefit for its MP cost. Some people claim it will be less enmity while in fact it will probably lead to more enmity due to the fact that even Eos will start topping people off that are below 70%. So now we cast Medica II AND another aoe heal (Medica or Cure III depending on the situation) which will have Regen go not only to a waste for the remaining time of the 30 seconds but also lead to more overhealing. With the old Medica II you could cast it and trust it to top people off while going back to something else. This also relieved some of the other healers pressure since you were back in the fight for other CD and focus on helping on the MT.

Using Medica as a buffer or mitigation is not going to make a difference with current mechanics which all burst single or aoe damage. SCH shields already take care of that since they take care of the incoming first burst damage - again you can't rely on the ticks to heal up the part over such a long time. Also, Eos can fill that job just fine and has actually more healing potency than Medica II now.

Cure III is still very situational since there are hardly any encounters where you want your group to be stacked up to merrit the MP cost. Running the danger that you hit too few people and thus wasting a lot of MP is not a good thing for a class that has no real MP regeneration tools.

Not to mention the proc to half Cure III's MP cost would ask for us to spam Cure II which will never happen. We already spam Cure I to make sure we can save MP on Cure II casts. So that would be a proc of a proc to actually try to keep our MP cost in check if Cure III is really going to be our go to burst aoe heal from now on. The only time I am actively casting Cure II is during a Death Sentence. Otherwise Cure 1 with divine Seal takes care of most situations with Cure II on proc or if REALLY absolutely necessary.

I am not saying the sky is falling and the new mechanics might very well be designed so we need to sure Cure III a lot and much more than before. That will still leave us with MP issues.
They should have adjusted Shroud of Saint to compensate for this.

And even though I did use Holy in WP and in Coil T4 I couldn't care less about that nerf.

after 24 hours of healing, I do find that medica II a little redundant.....
Cure 3 . area still too small ...