Largest house on Hyperion = 150M gil = 150 people donate 1M each, easy

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

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I don't think you read the patch notes right. You server numbers are as follows at launch:
Small 20,000,000 -- 21,250,000 -- 22,500,000 -- 23,750,000 -- 25,000,000
Medium 75,000,000 -- 79,687,500 -- 84,375,000 -- 89,062,500 -- 93,750,000
Large 250,000,000 -- 265,625,000 -- 281,250,000 -- 296,875,000 -- 312,500,000

So it read more like this:
Largest possible plot: 312,500,000g/ 512 members = 610,305 gil per person
Largest possible plot: 312,500,000g/ 155 members = 2,000,000 gil per person
Small first class plot: 25,000,000g / 20 members = 1,250,000 gil per person

Now for the reality. The largest guild on you server is 269 members strong so...
Largest possible plot: 312,500,000g/ 269 members = 1,161,000 gil per person assuming every member is active in that guild

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

It IS a small amount. You can easily make 50k+ from gathering clusters per hour. And probably a similar rate from fishing.

As long as people need materia, then people will use crystals and clusters to craft the stuff you spiritbond. Also, people will buy foods and potions for Coil, and possibly for Crystal Tower, especially now that they won't expire on deaths. People on the fence about buying 15 foods because of 14 wipes, will now buy it because they'll only need 3 for their turn, the cost/benefit will be reasonable enough. If people want to become rich, they won't all stop spending. Because they need to spend on certain things to make certain other things. Not everyone gathers everything on their own.

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Easy for a 2nd in charge of a FC. Tell that to those who have to contribute gil and have no say in the housing. Who will work hard for your housing?

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

It IS a small amount. You can easily make 50k+ from gathering clusters per hour. And probably a similar rate from fishing..

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Thanks, now that I know, and everyone here knows that you can make 50k per hour from gathering clusters, we should all go do it because the price wont drop when everyone is doing it and no one is buying it since they need to save millions.

People throwing idiotic replies out saying "its ez to make gil" are completely blind to the fact that you always think you can make that 50k per hour..........

Shards were 40/gi on my server 4 weeks ago, 3 weeks ago they are now 7-8 gil.
Philo items were 100k 2 months ago, 1 month ago they were 20k, probably less now like 10-15k

because people get on the band wagon, and flood the markets and there is less desire to buy the items to make the gear.....

Same with housing
- EVERYONE trying to make tens of millions
- NO ONE buying anything (defeats the purpose of making money...)

= Massive price drop on everything because there is more supply than demand and people are desperate to sell and everyone in the XIV Community undercuts like its black friday every minute of the day.

Why do you think you can still make 50k+ for housing in a month?

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

It IS a small amount. You can easily make 50k+ from gathering clusters per hour. And probably a similar rate from fishing.

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No, actually you can't anymore.

With prices so high, everyone is penny pinching. Nobody will buy. More supply than demand means the market is screwed.

But GL trying to make money from other people who are also saving for housing.

Let me know how that goes.

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Who will work hard for your housing?

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Me principally. I'd like to not be the only one, or I'll take years.

If you have so little trust in the housing, I hope you never found a real life company. Because "OMG I won't invest my money in this, in case it doesn't work out for eternity+1!" would kinda result in no businesses EVER existing.

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No, actually you can't anymore.

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Yes you can.

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With prices so high, everyone is penny pinching. Nobody will buy. More supply than demand means the market is screwed.

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Rich fucks cannot resist the urge to show their e-peen offs, and low levels don't care about saving money, which they amply get from questing. Those people are not penny pinching, and they're my market.

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But GL trying to make money from other people who are also saving for housing.

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Thanks, but people who buy my stuff are not Coil static runners, they're lv 20~45 people. Who don't save for housing, and don't want to be gimp.

SchalaZeal, I think you are severely overestimating how much gil the average player has.

IMHO Balance is important for any game. Achievable goals balanced by the effort required to reach them. I contributed over 100,000 to a FC that went defunct. Currently member of a small-tight knit FC with about 20 members who play every day. 8 mill is way above our capacity for purchase. We have all been chipping in for months crafting and gathering and have just about 1 mil. Don't need a mansion but would like a home to enjoy together. I personally would like to see SQ balance the marketplace so we could make the gil. I worked my tail off for 50 Leather. Dungeons dropped lvl 40-50 gear better than crafted. Leather goods produced for other DOL or DOH only. Imbalances affect large chunks of game play. I'm excited about some of the new challenges, but I would like to see more attention placed on a healthy market not dominated by gold seller's or bots. It is easy to review and identify market hogs to examine. Then maybe we could afford a tidy little cottage to call our own.

If you guys are so into "have a say" on the house, why not wait for the personal Houses? They will be certainly cheaper and you will be able to do whatever you want with it.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

SchalaZeal, I think you are severely overestimating how much gil the average player has.

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Can make, not has.

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Originally Posted by Edenholt

If you guys are so into "have a say" on the house, why not wait for the personal Houses? They will be certainly cheaper and you will be able to do whatever you want with it.

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You for some reason think personal housing be any different? People expecting 800k for small, and maybe couple mil for large, like 8-10 at the max. Then SE was like lolnope620mil, 62% of the Gil Cap! woop

Personal Housing be no different, I expect on Calibur a large personal house to be 70-80 mil, medium 35mil and a small 15 mil, still stupid amounts no casual player can accord and housing is meant to be casual fun cosmetic enjoyment, not something only the hardcore rich can afford.

Wildstar have it all right, their housing system is INSANE and anyone can afford it lol

Per day of game time I can make about 4k from cluster farming on my server. Everytime I go to the gold ore patch there are so many miners it looks like they're lining up for black friday sales or something.

If the only thing driving sales is the cost to make money, then eventually margins are driven down to zero. The market is a redistribution of wealth and there has to be people at the bottom for there to be people at the top. If your source of gil is other players you're basically asking them to not do the thing you're trying to do, or to do it but badly and lose money. At this point you are probably way too late to do that, even with gathering.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

If you have so little trust in the housing, I hope you never found a real life company. Because "OMG I won't invest my money in this, in case it doesn't work out for eternity+1!" would kinda result in no businesses EVER existing.

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FYI this actually happens in situations where the economy mirrors these problems. Inflation drives investment, deflation encourages people to not invest. If you were told that housing prices were going down, would a bank finance your investment? They wouldn't because the security of mortgages are backed mostly by the equity of a home, and this is what triggered mass foreclosures during the GFC.

Real businesses do risk management, and in this situation it's not just a risky investment, the writing is on the damn wall prices will go down.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Me principally. I'd like to not be the only one, or I'll take years.

If you have so little trust in the housing, I hope you never found a real life company. Because "OMG I won't invest my money in this, in case it doesn't work out for eternity+1!" would kinda result in no businesses EVER existing.

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Don't understand your gibberish. This is a game. I pay monthly like everybody in every server and we are all treated differently coz of some individual have too much gil in different server. Something a certain person say will be affordable and now they come up with an amount that is out of our league. Try getting FC members to fork out more gil on something only the FC leader and some of the high ranks have control of. Giving your gil to someone you know for 2 months. Impossible.

In my country people will say SIAO bo!

What happens when the FC leader get's pissed off because he's board of the game cause he has done all it has to offer and starts to kick all the members just cause he can and have the housing all to himself.

After all he don't care he's done all he wanted to in the game.

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Giving your gil to someone you know for 2 months. Impossible.

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Sure, but keeping it when it has no usage to you is much better, right?

Guys how dumb have we been!?

Just find 150 people to donate a million gil each!

Why didn't we all think of that!?

Now, who wants to join my FC and donate 1 million gil? Looking for 150 members!

If you have 150,000,000 members they can all just donate 1 gil! Easy!

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Sure, but keeping it when it has no usage to you is much better, right?

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..........yeah.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Sure, but keeping it when it has no usage to you is much better, right?

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How sure are you those gil are worthless? Personal Housing? Repairs? Buying stuff off AH? Paying for teleports? (Not everybody can save on all these )

I am also 2nd in charge in my FC same as you and I am questioning you like a underling in your FC. You saying I should pass you my gil for the FC housing. So what benefit I will get? Will it grant me immunity to be kicked out of the FC? Will I get my gil back when I leave the FC? Can I have any say in the placement of that bed?

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How sure are you those gil are worthless? Personal Housing? Repairs? Buying stuff off AH? Paying for teleports? (Not everybody can save on all these )

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The only thing I spend money on is buying materia off AH. And I stopped doing it in favor of SBing my own stuff. So now I spend nothing. Just doing WP pays for my repairs and teleports, so I don't have to get ANY income for that. And personal housing will be much cheaper.

So yeah, if you make gil, and I mean MAKE GIL, not "well I got 50k left from reaching lv 50" gil, you have no real usage for it except that. Unless your FC sucks, I see no reason not to contribute some.

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I am also 2nd in charge in my FC same as you and I am questioning you like a underling in your FC. You saying I should pass you my gil for the FC housing. So what benefit I will get? Will it grant me immunity to be kicked out of the FC? Will I get my gil back when I leave the FC? Can I have any say in the placement of that bed?

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If you contribute to the Republican party, do they pass laws for you, return you favor contracts for your company, hire you in their own companies later? If they do any of that its corruption. So they likely can't flaunt them doing that. But people still contribute to the party. I wonder why. Maybe they fucking care.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

If you contribute to the Republican party, do they pass laws for you, return you favor contracts for your company, hire you in their own companies later? If they do any of that its corruption. So they likely can't flaunt them doing that. But people still contribute to the party. I wonder why. Maybe they fucking care.

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SO FC = Goverment ? Grand Company = God? Uldah = Universe?

So FC is not a community of ppl who wanna play together and enjoy a game? Now it is Communist/ Democracy? LOL. Pls use better examples. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by LordSideKicks

SO FC = Goverment ? Grand Company = God? Uldah = Universe?

So FC is not a community of ppl who wanna play together and enjoy a game? Now it is Communist/ Democracy? LOL. Pls use better examples. Thanks.

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If people can contribute to stuff without expecting anything tangible in return, then why can't they from something actually closer to them than some faceless political party or charity? I presume you actually play and have fun with your FC members. I presume you don't play and have fun with a random hospital charity.

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Originally Posted by LordSideKicks

SO FC = Goverment ? Grand Company = God? Uldah = Universe?

So FC is not a community of ppl who wanna play together and enjoy a game? Now it is Communist/ Democracy? LOL. Pls use better examples. Thanks.

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how self-entitled can you get? you've enjoyed the community your FC offered you, contributing a little back is certainly not unreasonable, if you cannot trust those in your FC, I'd suggest you quit as you're merely treating FCs as a place for you to leech off others.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

Guilds of 512 members in a game where the biggest content requires 8 players, sure.

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THIS.
SO HARD.

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Originally Posted by ReiszRie

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Please read more then just one pos. I am asking in the point of view of the underlings who now will have to fork out more gil to feed their fc housing which they have no say. For the fc leaders and their rl friends it is easy. It is hard for ppl who know u for 2 months. Most players are quite casual they are either hardly lvl 50 or hardly online or never online. If you have 300 fc members you may be lucky to have 100 online and maybe half of those or less give a damn about contributing so how you gonna find ppl to contribute. From the live letters we also know small and medium have a lot lesser benefits compare to large housing and we cant upgrade our land to large. Small Fc will lose out alot as many ppl don\\'t wanna leech the benefits by small FC go and join FC with large housing. All these last minute info drops like a bomb. And I believe sky high prices in non legacy servers due to rmt and gill buyers that are not caught yet.

HOW TO MAKE 1 MILLION GIL IN 2.1 A COMPLETE BEGINNER'S GUIDE

From Reinheart's google doc translation of 2.1 bonus mini-live letter:
"YoshiP is saying it was set this way so players don’t buy out all the lands right away and end up in situation where none is available. RMT estimated gil has been removed from their amount, they checked how much gil the FC’s have and got the estimates.
with battle alone you should be able to earn 15000-18000, little bit over 20000 gil with role bonus every day. If you farm 7 days that’s good amount X number of members.
It’s set so players can buy in 3 month time.
He says again he will look at situation and make adjustments.
The information posted on the patch notes it the highest amount and most likely not much people will buy, he wants people to use this as example to have players talk over how to gain the gil to purchase"

Dailies + duty roulette + treasure hunt = 20k gil per day per person
= 140k gil per person per week
= 6-7 weeks to reach 1M per person
1M per person * 200 members in FC = 200M raised = Big friggin' house in ~2 months

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

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I'm starting to think this whole thing is a bit of a stunt to hide the fact that the Housing servers are a long way from being stable.

Yoshi-P stated a while ago that MEDIUM housing prices would be roughly 3x as much as all the gil a player gained from completing quests while lvling 1-50 (roughly 800k) The final prices range from 20~200x that amount!

Perhaps they hyper-inflated the prices to buy time to get the servers stabilized without delaying the 2.1 patch or admitting it wasn't ready yet?


It's plausible.