FC Housing costs for these Worlds: I can't even math anymore~!

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Originally Posted by permbanned

It's just SE slowly taking away everything from legacy players, except this time there's huge collateral damage with all the new players on legacy worlds.

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"We'll work hard to regain the trust in our fans"
-Yoshi P

What a crock

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I agree with you. :/ It makes me sad because I had faith in this team, and I feel so crestfallen after this.

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Originally Posted by Lafiele

You guys surely are harsh when it comes to typos. It's like none of you has ever made typo in your life. Even in that super important assignment that accounts for 50 % of your total mark.

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No but im also not paid to do a job either when i turn in a paper(and noted i got a reduced grade). These people are paid employees, making the warrior class called "defiance" and reducing the marauder ability from 30 -20 seconds is kind of big. My personal favorite new ability is the when attacked from the flank damage is increased to 15% was at 10% that lancers het . This is a professional company presenting themselves in a very very unprofessional way. People expect typos and they can be forgiven but this was a bit over board.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

That I'll wait for wildstar, at least the housing is accessible to the common player in that game.

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Wildstar is a horrible GW2 clone...one GW2 is bad enough. And there will be player housing, keep in mind the largest plots in this game are meant for large FC's.

So which is the unofficial RP servers JP?NA, i wanna RP a beggar in Ul'dah begging gil to buy 1st class housing!

I am a legacy character that is still on a legacy server. My friends and I decided to create new FC on legacy and I must confess that our FC is relatively large, but there is no way in hell that my FC can obtain 312,500,000 anytime soon...hell not even enough to ever buy a large first class plot. And here I thought that my FC was doing good with the amount of donations out bank, and then BOOM slap and a kick to the face to all casual/smaller FC's on legacy servers. Seeing these numbers just makes me sad.

Makes me wonder how they think some FC's can gather this gil? sell Primal Runs? which is shunned? buy gil??? /sigh

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IV-Q-A-Summary
49:58 Yoshi's answer to the price of housing, 4-5 people with 1 job at 50 can afford one. I clearly need to move to a non legacy server if you can net between 1 and 2 million gil by simply leveling one job to 50. Just makes me wonder how you are supposed to get 5 times that amount on a legacy server doing the exact same content, with the exact same rewards.

I am pretty sure YoshiP and his team is aware of this ridiculous FC housing price by now, with a number of threads addressed on this issue as well as an open letter addressed to him on this forum. I really hope he sees reason and do something about it.

Or... maybe we did not zoom out enough to see what the "actual costs" are. :cool:

Give me a 10k cardboard box, I'll be satisfied.

So, they lowered the cost of transportation and repairs... because they were too much of a burden... and then did this?!

Obviously the small change it saved would be enough to enable you to purchase a home.

Wut?!

Another thing that annoyed me was Square whiffling about the cost of housing for months, um...we dont know yet! You can bet your bippy they did...they dropped it on us just before the patch, stuck their collective fingers in their ears and are singing lalalalalala and hoping everyone will give up and just accept it.
People like me are who pay your bills Square, I have played every FF title, FFXI for 11 years, and FFXIV I'm also Legacy, you took my money from FFXIV 1.0 devalued my gear to 0 and now you pull this....with no sign of player housing in sight (hate to think how much that will cost) and belonging to a very small FC, I am so disappointed I don't even want to login anymore.

EX. White Knighter

lmfao they may as well cancel housing now. They've hyped this for so long and now hardly anyone will be able to use it.

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Originally Posted by Mcshiggs

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IV-Q-A-Summary
49:58 Yoshi's answer to the price of housing, 4-5 people with 1 job at 50 can afford one. I clearly need to move to a non legacy server if you can net between 1 and 2 million gil by simply leveling one job to 50. Just makes me wonder how you are supposed to get 5 times that amount on a legacy server doing the exact same content, with the exact same rewards.

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1-2 Million gil? 4-5 people on a legacy server would have to earn 5-10 million gil if he was being honest. In this case, where the hell is my gil?

I dont really get the uproar thats going on. Everyone seems to be looking at this as a single person investment when really its a FC investment.

50 members donate 500k towards the FC house, you do that math.

I dont see the problem

My FC thought Wed be doing well with 13mil saved up, but it looks like we won't be getting a house anytime soon.

It's also a little discouraging as a member to donate. Thinking "well we're millions and millions of Gil short, the 100k I would've donated isn't really gonna help much."

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Originally Posted by Filthy

I dont really get the uproar thats going on. Everyone seems to be looking at this as a single person investment when really its a FC investment.

50 members donate 500k towards the FC house, you do that math.

I dont see the problem

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Relevant character name.

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Originally Posted by Cegiana

Exactly, with all those gil bans being handed out, wtf were they thinking with the housing's prices. We wanted it since 2.0, were told to wait until 2.1, we waited without a release date FOREVER, then we get videos of the housing and a release date and apologies for being made to wait for so long, only to now reveal that 99.999% of those playing won't ever set foot inside of the houses, not even the small ones... SE has me all kinds of pissed right now, I don't even feel like logging in, I'm gonna spend the rest of the night playing Halo 4 and tomorrow I'm playing FFXI, in my eyes, Final Fantasy XIV has stopped existing for the rest of the weekend.

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havent logged in for 5 days even though i have 45 days left till renew >know what im gonna go play GTA online >i could level my alt classes since ive been logged out via sanctuary but SE is pissing me off enough where i shouldnt give them my time of day !!

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Originally Posted by Taika

Relevant character name.

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How so?, ok look we can dig deeper-

On my server (non-legacy) a first class plot costs 8 million gil-
You have a FC with 8 people, thats 1 million each.
You have a FC with 16 people, thats 500k each
You have a FC with 24 people, thats 250k each

So if you have a medium sized FC with 24 active people, it will cost you 250k for a small First Class plot of land. Even less if you wait for the price drop.

How isnt this reasonable pricing?.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

How isnt this reasonable pricing?.

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Our FC has 31 active members (logged in during last 7 days). I'm not sure of the house sizes but I've read the small one is about the same size as inn room which is too small for that many people. I'd assume we'd need a medium size house which would cost at least 75M (plus, you know, the actual house). This would mean all our active members should donate a bit more than 2,4 million gil each. For the lowest price medium land, not even including the actual house and furniture. Most our members have somewhere between 50k and 1M. To buy us a common house they would have to farm more gil they've ever even had. I don't see how this could be seen as reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

How so?, ok look we can dig deeper-

On my server (non-legacy) a first class plot costs 8 million gil-
You have a FC with 8 people, thats 1 million each.
You have a FC with 16 people, thats 500k each
You have a FC with 24 people, thats 250k each

So if you have a medium sized FC with 24 active people, it will cost you 250k for a small First Class plot of land. Even less if you wait for the price drop.

How isnt this reasonable pricing?.

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-Because not everyone is on your server
-because they said in the live letter that small house was design with 4-5 man cl in mind. 20 is just ridiculous
-Because they said it would be affordable, even rift a free to play have a more affordable housing than this. Everyone and their mother can get into it.
-Because in 2.0 everyone, on every server, had the same way to make gils. Punishing the majority of a server just because they happen to have some filthy rich on them is not the way to go.

I highly doubt a small FC house is the size of an Inn room. A small plot of land on a legacy server costs 10mil when you add in the discount, if your legacy 31 man FC can't afford that then your FC is dirt poor.

editing in a response ... please wait for the edit beep (most stupid forums ever ...... ) ..... beep.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

How so?, ok look we can dig deeper-

On my server (non-legacy) a first class plot costs 8 million gil-
You have a FC with 8 people, thats 1 million each.
You have a FC with 16 people, thats 500k each
You have a FC with 24 people, thats 250k each

So if you have a medium sized FC with 24 active people, it will cost you 250k for a small First Class plot of land. Even less if you wait for the price drop.

How isnt this reasonable pricing?.

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Small housing on starter servers with a small free company is probably closest to reasonable ... but even then is a bit much... you were still just given farming gil as 'content' >.> .... but even on those servers the medium and large housing pretty much means that you will not have months of constant farming ...

we all know the content they will release will be irrelevant after a couple of weeks to those that actually still log in rather ... they just gave those people a reason to stand around and farm/craft rather than just log out (which most do). ... and it is a pretty crappy way to get people to log in ... and do something most would rather not do.

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Originally Posted by Namasu

Not to mention they wrote .14% as 14%. SE can't into basic math and this is getting really embarrassing.

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my friend and i actually went through each reduction after ever 6 hours to try and replicate the totals they came up with in the example given ... we couldn't ... we could get close assuming .14% (which is equal to .0014 btw) ... but even with rounding we couldn't get close enough to the numbers they gave.

I'm guessing on top of all the other housing nonsense there is some additional stuff going on with the reductions. Also not sure why they cap at going to half the cost ... if no one wants to buy them at half the cost ... why not just let them continue to fall until they are finally at reasonable prices ?_?

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Originally Posted by Vherkin

-Because not everyone is on your server
-because they said in the live letter that small house was design with 4-5 man cl in mind. 20 is just ridiculous
-Because they said it would be affordable, even rift a free to play have a more affordable housing than this. Everyone and their mother can get into it.

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I dont know what other servers people are on so im making an example from my own server.

How many FCs have just 5 people in them? lets be real and go with the bare minimum of 8

A small fifth class plot costs 3.2 million (discounted) on my server split that between 8 people and you have a very affordable house.

Kinda killed my interest in the patch... I am still looking forward to CT somewhat... but I was really looking to playing with our FC house to carry me through the long period of waiting until 2.2.

This really gives me food for thought on just cancelling until 2.2 and checking in again at that point. Our FC is RL friends, and we help each other with material goods and such, but we don't hoard gil, because there was really no point. We are already getting bored with the game... farming gil is not something we are interested in at this point or something that will get us engaged with the game again.

They really need chocobo raising, farming/gardening... or something else long term for people like us to do. We don't want to fight the RMT junk in the market... we like doing, not playing in markets. Most of us have market related real jobs, and we don't want to deal with it in game.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

How so?, ok look we can dig deeper-

On my server (non-legacy) a first class plot costs 8 million gil-
You have a FC with 8 people, thats 1 million each.
You have a FC with 16 people, thats 500k each
You have a FC with 24 people, thats 250k each

How isnt this reasonable pricing?.

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If you want a large house (125mil on "cheaper" servers):

You have a FC with 8 active people who are willing to donate, thats 15,625,000 Gil each.
You have a FC with 16 active people who are willing to donate, thats 7,812,500 Gil each.
You have a FC with 24 active people who are willing to donate, thats 5,283,333 Gil each.
You have a FC with 50 active people who are willing to donate, thats 2,500,000 Gil each.

For something aimed as being a leisure and cosmetic item it's very unreasonable pricing.

The prices for small are vaguely reasonable, middle sized are way over priced and large are insane.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

If you want a large house (125mil on "cheaper" servers):

You have a FC with 8 active people who are willing to donate, thats 15,625,000 Gil each.
You have a FC with 24 active people who are willing to donate, thats 5,283,333 Gil each.
You have a FC with 50 active people who are willing to donate, thats 2,500,000 Gil each.

The prices for small are vaguely reasonable, middle sized are way over priced and large are insane.

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67mil if my math is right, thats at discounted price which people will be aiming for, half the numbers you're posting.

Besides large houses should be borderline impossible to get for a small FC, they should be a grind and an achievement. Otherwise whats the point in having small FC houses?.

On top of that how long have we been playing the game?, how much money have we made?, a year from now how much money will you have?. 67mil for a large first class house isnt outrageous.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

67mil if my math is right, thats at discounted price which people will be aiming for, half the numbers you're posting.

Besides large houses should be borderline impossible to get for a small FC, they should be a grind and an achievement. Otherwise whats the point in having small FC houses?.

On top of that how long have we been playing the game?, how much money have we made?, a year from now how much money will you have?. 67mil for a large first class house isnt outrageous.

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It appears prices will drop 0.14% every 6 hours, though it's not clear.

They say houses will not drop below 50%, but it may not get down to 50% even, this is unclear.

What we do know is they will start at 125mil, so this is the value I'll use when doing the math.

It is quiet obvious this is a gil sink and nothing more the fact that price vary by server but quality does not is just insult added to injury, so because someone clicked A instead of B 5 months ago before this existed it costs be 2x more but does not contain 2x the value.

Thank you for making more duplicate topics complaining about how hardcore the housing feature is.

FFXIV needed more hardcore factors, and the more you advertise the non-casual aspects of the game, the larger our playerbase will become.

Again, thank you. Seriously. Keep it up.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

It appears prices will drop 0.14% every 6 hours, though it's not clear.

They say houses will not drop below 50%, but it may not get down to 50% even, this is unclear.

What we do know is they will start at 125mil, so this is the value I'll use when doing the math.

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"Example:
Small
- Starting Price: 8,000,000 gil
- 10 Days Later: 7,552,000 gil
- 15 Days Later: 7,328,000 gil
- 30 Days Later: 6,656,000 gil
- 90 Days Later: 3,698,000 gil
* The price will reduce a maximum of 360 times in 90 days and will will fall to half its starting price."

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I think that's clear enough to be fair.

SE cut legacy players Gils of 90% and now they try to tell us we are super rich and can pay 325M for a house. its BS

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Originally Posted by Filthy

I think that's clear enough to be fair.

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From 8mil start to 3.7mil, but will not fall below half the starting price?

Yeah, clear as mud.

If 50% reduction after 90 days is correct, who want's to wait 3 months before using this patches main feature?

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Originally Posted by magenta_taco

back in 1.0, the gil cap was 999,999,999 which is worth 99,999,999 in arr. the amount of people who had capped gil in 1.0 was extremely small, less than 5% of players i imagine. maybe around 1-2%. the avg amount of gil i would imagine for 1.0 players who played the game but wasn't entirely gil focused would be around 50m-200m which is 5m-20m arr gil. so avg players with 5m-20m and the top 2% with 99m, are they trying to get rid of as much gil from the economy as possible?

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Clearly, that is the point for the separation of the servers. The amount of gil entering the economy isn't much different across servers, so the exorbitant prices are meant to trim the fat. And what a lot of fat it is, if what you say is true. Let's say there's 10,000 players on each Legacy server with your 10m average gil. That's 100 billion gil before accounting for any of the extra gil made in 2.0. If I had to make an estimate for 2.0 servers, let's say your average player has generated 1 million gil from quests, leves, and WP farming. Now, estimate that there are 30,000 players on the server. That's 30 billion gil floating around on the server, not to mention the amount of gil still lingering from the RMT exploit. Legacy servers would have more than 3x the gil from 1.0 without even accounting for 2.0 play. This is bad in general. It pushes players away from Legacy servers simply due to limited purchasing power and limits the potential for cross-world play in the future.

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Originally Posted by Celesian

What I enjoy thinking about was a month ago SE basically banned anyone that had more than 8m gil due to questionable RMT activities. Now you launch your biggest feature that you have been throwing in everyone's face since before launch and you make it to where everyone needs to thrown in 8m gil roughly to buy the house they want for the FC.

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The ban thing was on non-legacy servers, which are 100m for the most expensive plots. Unless you have 13 FC members and must have a top plot, you just don't need that much gil on those servers. In fact, if you're in a small FC on one of those servers with 8 mil, you can buy a small first-class plot on your own gil alone. Hell, I can afford the cheapest plot all on my lonesome, and I gave up stockpiling gil months ago.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

From 8mil start to 3.7mil, but will not fall below half the starting price?

Yeah, clear as mud.

If 50% reduction after 90 days is correct, who want's to wait 3 months before using this patches main feature?

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Where does it say "will not fall below half the starting price?".

Dont want to wait?... oh right so is that the real complaint?, your FC cant get a large first class plot on day one. Cry me a river.

I think it's unusual that servers have different prices...

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Originally Posted by Filthy

Where does it say "will not fall below half the starting price?".

Dont want to wait?... oh right so is that the real complaint?, your FC cant get a large first class plot on day one. Cry me a river.

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Or anything at all on day one.

I know! Let's blow forty million gil (that we don't have) between ten people and then save up and three years from now blow a hundred mil on an upgrade.

And you probably shouldn't be talking if you can't even be bothered to know what you're talking about. The price reduction cap of 50% is in the patch notes. This isn't difficult.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

I know! Let's blow forty million gil (that we don't have) between ten people and then save up and three years from now blow a hundred mil on an upgrade.

And you probably shouldn't be talking if you can't even be bothered to know what you're talking about. The price reduction cap of 50% is in the patch notes. This isn't difficult.

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Never argued the cap reduction otherwise so dont get your panties in a twist, i've been saying 50% from the start.

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Or anything at all on day one.

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Maybe for you but i know theres loads of FCs out there that can afford small plots on day one, hell theres a few FCs on my server that will have no problems whatsoever getting a Large first class plot if they all put gil in on day one. I dont see how you having a small 10 man fc that didnt bother to farm feels he should get a FC house on day one.

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Originally Posted by permbanned

It's just SE slowly taking away everything from legacy players, except this time there's huge collateral damage with all the new players on legacy worlds.

They take away 90% of our gil and claim that everything will be balanced to go along with the redenomination. Fine, whatever.

They give everyone Goobbue mounts despite it being a "1.0 only" promotion. Um.. ok...

Then they nail us with absolutely absurd prices for housing, effectively telling all legacy players to "fork over all your remaining gil or you don't get to take part in something we've been hyping you up for for well over a year." In turn, they do the same thing to thousands of others on legacy servers who can't leave the server even if they wanted to because legacy servers are still locked from transferring to new servers.

How long before they lower the subscription costs down to legacy levels for everyone after they see how many people quit?

All in all, everything just amounts to a giant F&%k you to anyone that supported this game when it really needed it and they don't care who else gets shafted because of it.

"We'll work hard to regain the trust in our fans"
-Yoshi P

What a crock

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Don't forget the nerf to the white ravens

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Originally Posted by Filthy

Where does it say "will not fall below half the starting price?".

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Originally Posted by Filthy

Never argued the cap reduction otherwise so dont get your panties in a twist, i've been saying 50% from the start.

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This may be complicated to you, but I'll do my best to explain:

If something has a 50% reduction cap, it means it will not fall below half of the starting price.

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Originally Posted by Filthy

Dont want to wait?... oh right so is that the real complaint?, your FC cant get a large first class plot on day one. Cry me a river.

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The only person crying seems to be you, I've simply disagreed with you and said the prices are unreasonable, the amount gil I have is irrelevant.

SE is wants to break the game again. this is drawing out content to the extreme. FFXI never had anything that needed a 3 month timer or a week for a lock out, 3 days was about it. drawing out content to 1/4th a year is retarded.

Everyone in opposition of the housing prices, go to: JP Forum and 'Like' the OP.

The more centralized the opposition to the ridiculous pricing scheme, the better chance we will be heard!