MNK or DRG post 2.1

I dont know much about Dragoons but Monks are fun and if played right they do insane DPS. I just luv it.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Drg and Mnk play very different. Drg is slow big hits, and Mnk is fast little hits. My mnk with 4 i90 pieces including relic+1 has never broke 700 damage on a crit. My fresh to 50 drg with titans spear, DL acc and AF broke 1k crits first time in AK.

Drg has more abilities they use on a regular basis but their uses is more strict(combos). Monk can use whatever they want as long as certain conditions are met.

I like both but for farming purposes my lower geared drg is WAY better than monk.

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unless you are talking about AF2 armor, then im calling BS on your claim. My dragoon has relic weapon, head and chest AF2, and full DL everything else, and i still dont break 1k even with all buffs on. there is no way you hit 1k with the gear you are saying.

Umm, Shinigami, I have full DL and relic +1 on my drg and I broke 1080 already on a crit.... That's with every buff for DRG running so I think you're doing something wrong man haha.

I'm not saying one class is better than the other. Just saying that Dragoon after receiving relic +1 and full DL will break 1k on crits very often with BfB / and buff / debuffs going on a mob.

Hell, with every buff up even my jump does over 1k.

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Originally Posted by Syphien

Umm, Shinigami, I have full DL and relic +1 on my drg and I broke 1080 already on a crit.... That's with every buff for DRG running so I think you're doing something wrong man haha.

I'm not saying one class is better than the other. Just saying that Dragoon after receiving relic +1 and full DL will break 1k on crits very often with BfB / and buff / debuffs going on a mob.

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ill go and double check this. i wonder if the difference between relic and +1 really is that great. either way, you are saying you barely broke 1k with relic +1 and full DL. this other guy is saying he broke 1k with titan lance and artifact gear. i mean seriously...

side note, im not hitting 1k, but im awfully close. im doing ~900. and what could i possibly be doing wrong? -_- its just a matter of landing jump with all buffs. its not rocket science lol

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Originally Posted by Mekhana

Hell, with every buff up even my jump does over 1k.

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jump with power surge has 300 potency, which is the same as your full thrust.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

ill go and double check this. i wonder if the difference between relic and +1 really is that great.

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For any job other than BRD upgrading your relic to +1 is the best use of myth. Unless you don't have your relic yet and will have 900 myth left after spending, buying anything else first is ludicrous.

The base weapon damage value is by far the most significant contributor to how much damage your hits do or how much HP your cures heal.

my dragoon hits around 1300ish

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

jump with power surge has 300 potency, which is the same as your full thrust.

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http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...rly-factor.jpg Geez, thanks for letting me know.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

unless you are talking about AF2 armor, then im calling BS on your claim. My dragoon has relic weapon, head and chest AF2, and full DL everything else, and i still dont break 1k even with all buffs on. there is no way you hit 1k with the gear you are saying.

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Really?

My Dragoon is Relic +1 full i70 crafted HQ pentameld except choker is Hero's, I can crit like 1,025 with BfB and power surge on

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Because no other DPS class in the game has 3 DMG boosting OGCDs (Raging Strikes, Blood for blood, and Internal Release) Not only that they have barrage as well, and a OGCD DMG skill that resets. Give DRG and MNK Raging strikes and watch the melee is OP QQ commence.

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This will give Bard a lot of burst, but no matter how you look at it, their average damage is already the lesser of the three classes, even if not my much.
I'd just say give us some components that we can't move endlessly for. Keep us mobile, but not without some loss, kind of like a WoW hunter or early FFXIV Archer. Could just make Bloodletter look as awesome as it used to and require .5 seconds still time for the auto-attack to release. We're being nerfed for our 'no downside' movement, burst, and support, but as FCs get more and more damage-cap oriented, that support requirement is going to get more and more begrudged. I think nerfing the ridiculous amount of movement is probably the best target. The melee buffs themselves should take care of the damage "nerf".

Even in the Bard description though, we were described as sniper-ralliers, with the ability to utterly massacre foes in burst, and to keep the party going. I think Bard does that pretty well. It could just use some limitations to movement, which could also, hopefully, make the class more fun, and a bit more tactics-mindful.

On topic: I'd have to repeat what others have been saying. I generally see higher parsed dps off Monks of equal gear to DRGs, but it's nothing major.
If the AoE is essential to a fight, Monks do at least have ~5 AoEs in a row at a relative ~180 to ~218 (BFB) potency via Perfect Balance and Rockbreaker, which makes up for the difference between Dragonfire Dive and Howling Fist, and AoE dps in the short term. Otherwise though, Monk AoE dps will suck (~180 potency AoE every 6 seconds as compared to the same every 2.5 via Doomspike). And if you ever lose your GL buffs, that Perfect Balance will already likely be consumed for a single-target burn phase.

Play what style you like best. But give it a shot in level 50 dungeons before you make that decision if you can.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

unless you are talking about AF2 armor, then im calling BS on your claim. My dragoon has relic weapon, head and chest AF2, and full DL everything else, and i still dont break 1k even with all buffs on. there is no way you hit 1k with the gear you are saying.

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HT>DiS>BFB>Life Surge = Full Thrust= 1k+ hit
HT>DiS>BFB>Life Surge=Power Surge= Jump= 1k+ hit

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

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That was my only QQ I had ever had with BRDs. Back before everyones damage evened out, I said they just had too much in their kit (I'm a league player so I look at classes that way). They had utility, they were the top DPS at the time, they were ranged, and they had mobility. In my mind this just screamed OP. So in my rendition of nerfs I believed they should receive, I said they need to put a movement lock on bloodletter. Our BRD in our raid group was not amused with that skill having a movement lock. Either way it would allow for strategic planning of when to use it in heavy aoe fights such as titan. But now as their DMG is tapering off and started to get surpassed, I don't really think a nerf is necessary at all anymore. While I do find that them having so many buffs is ridiculous, their DMG without them is pretty lacking

If the buff to GL duration makes no difference, than nothing has changed. People who say monks are better say so cuz they believe monks have a higher sustained dps (drgs have more burst) so what will change in 2.1? I use jumps almost every time its off cooldown except when I know something dangerous is coming and my monk still beats my drg. We don't know enough about the changes in 2.1 to really say, but if all they changing is GL duration and shorter jump animations, then nothing has changed.

Also, the increase in GL duration can matter. While possible, it is currently very difficult to keep GL up after a Titan jump, you will often be off by 0.5-1 sec; with this buff, it is now possible everytime. Personally, I'm kinda iffy on this change but what can you do?

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Originally Posted by PenutButter

Also, the increase in GL duration can matter. While possible, it is currently very difficult to keep GL up after a Titan jump, you will often be off by 0.5-1 sec; with this buff, it is now possible everytime. Personally, I'm kinda iffy on this change but what can you do?

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There was no mention about the buff duration, SE has been pretty accurate with their statements so far and they talked about buffing the "effect" of GL.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

That was my only QQ I had ever had with BRDs. Back before everyones damage evened out, I said they just had too much in their kit (I'm a league player so I look at classes that way). They had utility, they were the top DPS at the time, they were ranged, and they had mobility. In my mind this just screamed OP. So in my rendition of nerfs I believed they should receive, I said they need to put a movement lock on bloodletter. Our BRD in our raid group was not amused with that skill having a movement lock. Either way it would allow for strategic planning of when to use it in heavy aoe fights such as titan. But now as their DMG is tapering off and started to get surpassed, I don't really think a nerf is necessary at all anymore. While I do find that them having so many buffs is ridiculous, their DMG without them is pretty lacking

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Little late buddy, jus sayin.

If you want more utility and damage, monk.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Point.

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Sweet baby Jesus, someone actually did theire homework? Well said :)

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side note, im not hitting 1k, but im awfully close. im doing ~900. and what could i possibly be doing wrong? -_- its just a matter of landing jump with all buffs. its not rocket science lol

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Balance of CRT versus DTR in your gear.

Some people may have more stats in SS and CRT, reducing their per-hit maximum damage.

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my dragoon hits around 1300ish

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No, it doesn't.

There's a fringe possibility you could almost get 1250 with a mega STR potion added to the mix, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Thats enough trolling the little guy by now. Lol

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I extended the olive branch earlier and he bit me in the hand. Anyways, I'm pretty much over that guy.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Balance of CRT versus DTR in your gear.

Some people may have more stats in SS and CRT, reducing their per-hit maximum damage.

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Thank you for the helpful post. I literally haven't been able to log in for almost two weeks to test this out. And I probably won't be able to log in for another few weeks. But, nonetheless, thank you for the helpful comment.

IF i test this out, and it turns out that I'm not doing 1k, ill have to assume its because i don't have relic+1 plus the stats that you mentioned. If this is the case, I will be very surprised that my relic + AF2 chest + AF2 helm are so much weaker than a relic +1. I can understand that +1 relic is a better choice than AF2 chest and helm, but i underestimated the extend of the gap.

Even worse is that fact that I know i should probably get relic +1 next, but im probably going to keep getting AF2 just because it looks so awesome.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Drg and Mnk play very different. Drg is slow big hits, and Mnk is fast little hits. My mnk with 4 i90 pieces including relic+1 has never broke 700 damage on a crit. My fresh to 50 drg with titans spear, DL acc and AF broke 1k crits first time in AK.

Drg has more abilities they use on a regular basis but their uses is more strict(combos). Monk can use whatever they want as long as certain conditions are met.

I like both but for farming purposes my lower geared drg is WAY better than monk.

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Im not lvl 50 yet but im sure dmg relies on Race and point you placed into str. <^.^>;; net speed may also contribute in overall dmg.

Do you even lift polearms bros?

Just level the one you like the most. It's a game, why play if you're going to stress about productivity.

I guess my original question was concerning which one is more viable and will continue to be so. I havent played an mmo since lvl75 cap FFXI so im just concerned about being useless as my job in that game was loldrg and the rng which got nerfed too.

With the current mechanics and content in the game, MNKs are probably slightly more effective than DRGs for a few specific fringe reasons:

1. They do higher single target DPS. DRG AOE DPS is useful, but BLMs are also pretty common, and can sufficiently fill whatever AOE needs are there.

2. They have a few bits of pretty unique utility that DRGs don't have, like the %Int debuff in their rotation as well as the traited Mantra increased healing.

The main DRG utility benefits are the piercing debuff for Bards (who are a slightly behind in DPS in the first place), and the ability to tank some stuff a bit better, which doesn't matter much. DRG's also have slightly higher controllable burst damage, which has its uses.

Overall it's kind of a wash, but MNKs are more effective by a slight measure.

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No, it doesn't.

There's a fringe possibility you could almost get 1250 with a mega STR potion added to the mix, but I doubt it.

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You can easily hit 1200 - 1300 ish, you just need 2 drags in the party

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Originally Posted by Sygmaelle

You can easily hit 1200 - 1300 ish, you just need 2 drags in the party

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Disembowel doesn't stack.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

...the ability to tank some stuff a bit better, which doesn't matter much.

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How are dragoons better tanks?

I think BLM is the best dps tanks.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

How are dragoons better tanks?

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DRG gear has higher defense. MNKs have higher M. Def.
So dragoons make better tanks.

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

DRG gear has higher defense. MNKs have higher M. Def.
So dragoons make better tanks.

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Drgs have 10% reduced damage buff? Don't think they get that much extra armor.

Drgs also always have Keen Flurry and Feint on *when feint works*. . . and Life Surge.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

How are dragoons better tanks?

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In some fights a DRG can be left to tank an add more reliably than a MNK. In those situations, a MNK "can" tank it fine, but they will require more healer attention, which is a detriment.

This scenario usually boils down to the fact that Keener Flurry is the shit.

Which class is bettet for a ps3 user? That drg 27 combo looks like it just isnt possible on a ps3 hotbar with ui lag and having to switch between menus. Is mnk any different?

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Originally Posted by trailmix9999

Which class is bettet for a ps3 user? That drg 27 combo looks like it just isnt possible on a ps3 hotbar with ui lag and having to switch between menus. Is mnk any different?

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You must use two sets of bars on ps3 for both classes. You cannot get around it unless you want to be a bad monk/drg.

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Originally Posted by LupusLazuli

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Disembowel doesn't stack.

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It does, its like people sayin that adloquium isnt crit caped