Is this the future for the rest of ARR's upcoming expansions and updates?

need to edit to be able to quote >.> (silly character limitation ... the 1.0 forums were better too btw >.>)

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Originally Posted by Cod_Eye

Dungeon grinding for gear grind Is the vision for Yoshi and his team for the forseeable future? The sad thing is previous version of XIV ended up being pretty good game comparable to where ARR stands at this moment. Even the update notes are not very encouraging.

As a previous player of 1.0 I'm not happy with the direction Yoshi and his team are taking this game, I feel like I'm playing a cross between WoW and GW2, not a great fan of both of those games either.

Is this the game you guys wanted? is Yoshi going in the right direction for those that played the previous version?

Personally I'd like Hamlet back and chocobo escorting to name a couple, I'd also like to see more open world content instead of this entering instances to do everything.

I haven't bothered to log into the game for last 4-5 weeks, I'm done with dungeon grinds tbh.

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Similar feelings are going through my entire free company and seems to be the topic echo'd at the moment ... This game definitely feels like an entirely different game, and one that sort of seems to encourage you to log out a lot. I really miss 1.23, the gameplay, world, story. I wish they had only fixed the sever problems(still present ><) and the market wards and UI lag ... everything else was better.

**disclaimer ... my opinion and the opinion of almost all my friends that played 1.0 and chose to still play now.

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Originally Posted by Cod_Eye

If you have no valid input then stfu and read and reply to another post that your brain can cope with.

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That makes your thread invalid now.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I feel the same as you op, this game needs more open world content. More end game open world content to be exact...

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That's because you got all your classes/jobs to Lv50 in 1.0, silly! You only had ARN with SMN/SCH to play with :)

I haven't gotten bored with the game yet. I'm going to try and get one of each item crafted in my crafting log, and harvesting items off one by one in my gathering log, too. I'm also going to try with the fish as well. That's my long term goal!

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Originally Posted by Cod_Eye

Dungeon grinding for gear grind Is the vision for Yoshi and his team for the forseeable future? The sad thing is previous version of XIV ended up being pretty good game comparable to where ARR stands at this moment. Even the update notes are not very encouraging.

As a previous player of 1.0 I'm not happy with the direction Yoshi and his team are taking this game, I feel like I'm playing a cross between WoW and GW2, not a great fan of both of those games either.

Is this the game you guys wanted? is Yoshi going in the right direction for those that played the previous version?

Personally I'd like Hamlet back and chocobo escorting to name a couple, I'd also like to see more open world content instead of this entering instances to do everything.

I haven't bothered to log into the game for last 4-5 weeks, I'm done with dungeon grinds tbh.

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I feel the same as you op, this game needs more open world content. More end game open world content to be exact...

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YUCK ! ... I shudder at the thought of repeating nidhog,fafnir, adamantoise and others ...

NMs ... fine ... HNM ... no effin' way. Other open world content outside of HNM, i'm always in for new things.

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Originally Posted by Seezur_Undies

*sighs and shakes head* Another 2.0 sux thread as for the OP: *waves bye bye*

/closethread

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You know, people with this attitude are why when a lot of people leave MMOs they're left scratching their butts wondering where everyone went. ARR definitely is missing something, it's more streamlined but they really need to branch out rather than stay at the comfort zone. As much as people love to say this - they didn't "try something different with 1.0 and failed", they never even finished 1.0.

1.23 was absolutely amazing and ARR would have literally been the perfect MMO if they enhanced that version while taking aspects of XI that worked, since it's pretty sad how much XI progresses on a monthly basis with a tiny team compared to ARR, especially since ARR is purposefully "streamlined" for faster updates.

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Originally Posted by Taerra

YUCK ! ... I shudder at the thought of repeating nidhog,fafnir, adamantoise and others ...

NMs ... fine ... HNM ... no effin' way. Other open world content outside of HNM, i'm always in for new things.

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Those are called FATEs in ARR. Open world content =/= only HNMs, and XI had more open world content and activities than ground kings, you could play XI and never touch ground kings ever in your career especially once Einherjar came out.

Of course they're gonna release future expansions and updates for ARR like most MMORPGs - assuming the game's population remains stable for the next 2 years :P

1.0 failed and 2.0 seems to be doing just fine. I think some people are confused.

1.23 was a good base for the future, if anything it's what the original game should have been at release before it was rushed to compete with Cataclysm, also people keep forgetting ARR is version 2.0 for a reason and not really a new game at all despite the new engine and story content.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

1.0 failed and 2.0 seems to be doing just fine. I think some people are confused.

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This. So much this. Played through all of FF14 1.0-1.23, was just terrible beyond belief.

Fine, here is my rebuttal for FFXIV: ARR is only add dungeons runs
Patch 2.1 will include the following:
Housing - Non Dungeon
PvP - Non Dungeon
Treasure Hunting - Non Dungeon
Beastmen Dailies - Non Dungeon
Extreme Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
New Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
Crystal Towers - Dungeon
HM Dungeon - Dungeon
New Dungeon - Dungeon

look forward to elder scrolls online...its looking to be the more open world experience you are looking for, at least out of what is releasing in the near future

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Those are called FATEs in ARR. Open world content =/= only HNMs, and XI had more open world content and activities than ground kings, you could play XI and never touch ground kings ever in your career especially once Einherjar came out.

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I meant HNM in the same kind of way of ffxi. You know, camping for 12 hours with multiple linkshells, then struggling for the claim, then killing or wiping, other LS trying to make you wipe and THEN struggle with the loot/lot with competition ... yeah no thanks.

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Of course they're gonna release future expansions and updates for ARR like most MMORPGs - assuming the game's population remains stable for the next 2 years :P

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This. Although I doubt it's going to take 2 years considering the popularity,

Agree,

Some of you can say FATE grind is better than the "Fire party" in 1.0.
but there are somethings I don't like about ARR:

1.Maps are small,Sprint & teleport make it even worse,I feel I am running in a large room,not in a virtual world.
2.No open world contents,dungeons & NMs.
3.Everything is about Duty finder.
4.Gears are easy to get & obsolete very fast.

It's like WOW/COD, a fast-food game, everything is fast,busy & short.

I can wait for the content updates,
but the game design direction is...meh

Don't forget the Global Summoning System they they are working on where the primals will be wandering the open world. Also non-dungeon.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

open world content can be more trouble than solution, if it too good, the dungeon will be empty and the best open world content will be farmed by legion of player, a bit like the fate actually. it is fun? no, it will lead to grief and many many trouble. like the speed of pop, the number of monster, the drop rate,...

instead to ask feature that will bring nothing new, try to ask for new stuff, we do get treasure hunting in the 2.1 and i think it's a good idea, we need more activity different than pve/pvp grinding.

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This is true for absolutely everything in life and is not a valid justification to not have it.

Poorly implemented things, such as fates, are just that, poorly implemented. Open world content does not =/=zergfest. pops/griefing/etc., are all elements of half thought out ideas that does not take in consideration of your playerbase and game population. I can think of a billion ways to make meaningful open world content and eliminate all of your feared "issues" with minimal checks and balances in place.


One way would be to bring back challenging Guild Leve bosses. Another could be as simple as a farming or buying pop items from dungeons and trading them in open world to face off against rare bosses. SE has crafted a world with potential, but when you have people drowning out valid concerns none of it is put to good use.

& SE removed the player bazaar, player repair etc from 1.0.
I don't know why SE make ARR so simple & short.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Fine, here is my rebuttal for FFXIV: ARR is only add dungeons runs
Patch 2.1 will include the following:
Housing - Non Dungeon
PvP - Non Dungeon
Treasure Hunting - Non Dungeon
Beastmen Dailies - Non Dungeon
Extreme Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
New Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
Crystal Towers - Dungeon
HM Dungeon - Dungeon
New Dungeon - Dungeon

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when people say dungeons they likely mean "instanced" content. You can go as literal as you want with the terminology but an instanced boss battle accessible via duty finder is not overworld content, which the OP explicitly mentions. Your rebuttal falls short because half of what you mentioned is either not end gaming content and the things that were are in fact instanced/non overworld content.

And player HP bar looks nicer in 1.0,
they tuned down this because PS3 memory issue??

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Don't forget the Global Summoning System they they are working on where the primals will be wandering the open world. Also non-dungeon.

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Yay..more FATES!

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Originally Posted by Shan

And player HP bar looks nicer in 1.0,
they tuned down this because PS3 memory issue??

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No..lol, PS3 is not a factor in any of this - It's a game design direction. ARR "can't do" what FFXI can do currently and that game is an 11 year old PS2 title.

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Originally Posted by Shan

And player HP bar looks nicer in 1.0,
they tuned down this because PS3 memory issue??

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They tuned down a lot of cool stuff that 1.0 had in order to optimize the game like char physics, body proportions, graphics, weather changes on clothes (If it was raining your clothes would look wet) and so on BUT even with all the stuff I miss from 1.0, I still like ARR more.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Fine, here is my rebuttal for FFXIV: ARR is only add dungeons runs
Patch 2.1 will include the following:
Housing - Non Dungeon
PvP - Non Dungeon
Treasure Hunting - Non Dungeon
Beastmen Dailies - Non Dungeon
Extreme Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
New Primal - HNM, Not Dungeon
Crystal Towers - Dungeon
HM Dungeon - Dungeon
New Dungeon - Dungeon

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Op is asking for open world content...as most ppl in this thread are. Which of those are open world content for end game that require a full 8 man pt or alliance?

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Op is asking for open world content...as most ppl in this thread are. Which of those are open world content for end game that require a full 8 man pt or alliance?

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Treasure Hunting? They said some will require a team of 50's to complete

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Originally Posted by Baxter

when people say dungeons they likely mean "instanced" content. You can go as literal as you want with the terminology but an instanced boss battle accessible via duty finder is not overworld content, which the OP explicitly mentions. Your rebuttal falls short because half of what you mentioned is either not end gaming content and the things that were are in fact instanced/non overworld content.

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My rebuttal stands but it easily shows their is more coming than just typical dungeon run patch that so many other MMO's have.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Treasure Hunting? They said some will require a team of 50's to complete

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Ooh I didn't know that, that is awesome then!! :cool:

I hope we get to pop NM's and kill them and stuff...omg haha I am actually excited for something now :D

edit: Dyvid , do you have any posts of info about it from SE? I searched and can't find anything...but I want to show my friends who keep complaining about no Open World hard end game content...XD

Just what they briefly said in the LL. Don't expect a massive HNM fest though, most of the core end game stuff is going to be instance. I think it would be best for everyone that wants more open world stuff, tell the devs exactly what stuff you want to see.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Just what they briefly said in the LL. Don't expect a massive HNM fest though, most of the core end game stuff is going to be instance. I think it would be best for everyone that wants more open world stuff, tell the devs exactly what stuff you want to see.

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Damnit lol ; ; Thanks for replying though:)

Yeah this thread and OP seem to be asking for the core end game content to be open world. Not all of it but at least a something! I hope the devs take notice sooner rather then later.

I have run WP and gotten full whm DL except for ring, relic and one week from relic +1. Today I was running another WP and all I could think is man this is boring the crap out of me and I've only geared one job so far... So to answer you question OP, no I'm not very happy with this direction. I can only hope things change a bit with 2.1

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

Damnit lol ; ; Thanks for replying though:)

Yeah this thread and OP seem to be asking for the core end game content to be open world. Not all of it but at least a something! I hope the devs take notice sooner rather then later.

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Making content open world is not going to magically make content feel less tedious. That is the nature of MMO's, you enjoy the content at release, then start getting bored a few months in and feels more like a tedious chore, then new patch gets released and the cycle starts over. Making open world end game content the core if FFXI showed anything, made people just bored and angry doing the tedious work until a new expansion came out. It is nice to know I can engage in content without two or three other linkshells taking the claim away, especially with how many people do play the game. Accessibility to me is extremely important and things like instanced content and FATE are great ways to engage in content. Does it break immersion for me? Nope. I find it more realistic that if I am fighting a giant monster in a field, I don't have only 8 people fighting it and 30 people around me sitting and looking at it.

Am I saying there shouldn't be more open world content? No, I welcome any good ideas the development team bring into the table like treasure hunting. However, the game isn't going in a bad direction just because it depends more on instanced content than open world content.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Making open world end game content the core if FFXI showed anything, made people just bored and angry doing the tedious work until a new expansion came out.

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Boy do I remember sitting in Labyrinth of Onzozo for 12+ hours with a group of people only for a dif group to get claim and then go "at least it didn't drop for them" and then repeat this process the next day and the day after. People who enjoyed this stuff are quite possibly retarded. I left 11 a week after my group actually getting the drop from him too because I was fed up with that shit.

I think people are remembering 1.23 far too fondly.

- 2 dungeons even worth doing (with crappy drop rates) and both of them were just BLM burn trash > MNK burn boss.
- Hamlet was mind-numbingly dull even on the least boring job to play on it (WHM).
- Open World NMs? There were only 2 in the game you couldn't solo as lv50.
- Levelling consisted of grinding leves from 1-50 or getting powerlevelled until you could do Natalan wolf camp.
- 4 primal battles, 3 of which were routinely blm/brd burned and the other which the majority of the player base never even saw, let alone beat.

Combine all this and more with absolutely crippling input delay and animation lock running on an architecture completely inadequate for an MMO and unsurprisingly you have a game which not many people played.

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What is wrong with dungeons I can give you a hint. They are as follows: they are always the same never change nothing new just more boredom. It is mindless content to be honest. The real challenge is open world, lets take the leashes off the mobs and increase their levels, and stop being so controlling over what happens. This game dosent stand out and has nothing really going for it other than its name. Yoshi needs to design XIV so it can stand on its own and stop borrowing so much from other games. He has all of the final fantasy series to borrow from yet he continues to borrow things from other companies instead of his own companies series.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Just what they briefly said in the LL. Don't expect a massive HNM fest though, most of the core end game stuff is going to be instance. I think it would be best for everyone that wants more open world stuff, tell the devs exactly what stuff you want to see.

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Yes you have a wonderful idea but again Yoshi said no back in alpha and beta to appease all those that said no, because they dont want any competition and for various other reasons.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

What is wrong with dungeons I can give you a hint. They are as follows: they are always the same never change nothing new just more boredom. It is mindless content to be honest. The real challenge is open world, lets take the leashes off the mobs and increase their levels, and stop being so controlling over what happens.

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For some reason people seem to have this fantasy that overworld mobs aren't also always the same. The only open world challenge I remember from FFXI was getting claims on mobs.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

Yes you have a wonderful idea but again Yoshi said no back in alpha and beta to appease all those that said no, because they dont want any competition and for various other reasons.

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The game will have actual real competition though, its called PvP. Its honestly really sad that you guys keep trying to pass off getting claims on mobs as competition.

This is the craptastic open world endgame that FFXI had:

- Camp HNM for several hours (aka, not actually playing the game, just waiting for a pop), then if you were unlucky on claim you didn't even get to experience any content.

And you guys are surprised that they don't want to implement such a shitty system in this game?

Sea and Sky at least weren't as bad (after they fixed Ullikummi that is), but camping in any form needs to never rear its ugly head in a game again. I want to play the game, not stare at my screen waiting for pops.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I feel the same as you op, this game needs more open world content. More end game open world content to be exact...

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This game will never have either

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

For some reason people seem to have this fantasy that overworld mobs aren't also always the same. The only open world challenge I remember from FFXI was getting claims on mobs.

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XIV is nothing more than powerpuff girls on steroids. They need to add something that isnt instanced, that offers a challenge and that isnt a zerg fest like fates. Competition isnt gonna kill anyone. We need challenge that isnt all in a confined instanced that is controlled. Sooner or later regardless of how players feel now they will indeed get bored and stop subbing, this game has potential but to unlock it Yoshi needs to go above and beyond what we currently have and if he dosent XIV may fall, but only time will tell on that part.

You assume too much thinking pvp is the end all be all in a game, when in fact it could be the worse thing to happen to XIV. Not everyone likes pvp, just like everyone dont like pve but at least include content for all player types as Yoshi did state, that he wanted to attract a broad audience. Currently he seems to have forgotten the broad audience, as players continue to ask for open world content other than fates (they are not talking about a zerg fest in the open world either).

People may be asking for more open world content (and I'd like that), but I can assure you that the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't want the utter shit that was HNM/NM camping in FFXI. People complain about the myth cap and coil lockouts and you really think they want 21-24 hour HNMs that only one group per server can actually fight?

And again, you seem to think that open-world content isn't always the same too. This "dungeons are a controlled enviroment" argument of yours is simply silly. Fights in the open-world were always the same too.

And finally: if you want some real competition do PvP. Claim wars are crap competition.

This is PvP:

- You/your team fight another guy/team. In the end someone loses. You all get to experience content.

This is claiming competitions:

- Mob pops, 1 guy/party gets claims and actually experiences the content, everyone else just wasted their time staring at their screens.

Gee, which one sounds more fun?

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

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And again, you seem to think that open-world content isn't always the same too. This "dungeons are a controlled enviroment" argument of yours is simply silly. Fights in the open-world were always the same too.

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It is not silly nothing random every happens its always the same. Maybe you like to run the same dungeon thousands of times but others dont it gets old it gets boring. What is wrong with have an open world that anything can happen. Give mobs tp moves let them do those moves at random and not some script it would be more interesting than what we have now. This is a care bears paradise but that is not how it should be there should be risk vs reward, it shouldnt be no risk but you still get the reward as it is now.

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Originally Posted by Maxthunder

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I think you're missing the point of what he was saying. Those people would still complain about being bored no matter. It's really the same content in a different package not to mention it would be behemoth/odin tier broken without some major restrictions. Oh yeah if you didn't know this is a casual MMO, more news on this at 11. If you want a hardcore MMO for hardcore people such as yourself I hate to say it but you're going to have to look elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

look forward to elder scrolls online...its looking to be the more open world experience you are looking for, at least out of what is releasing in the near future

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Then you are going to be an incredibly sad panda.