Hate paying for PvE,Quitting, is my acct safe ?

PvP goes beyond gear in lots of MMO.

PvP in ARR will be 30 40 and 50 probably with level sync or restrictions.

PvP is usually about skill and gear just acts as something that pushes extra damage and mitigation. But gear unless severely outgeared plays less a factor than skill.

I am a firm believer that PvP will be fine a year from now.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

PvP goes beyond gear in lots of MMO.

PvP in ARR will be 30 40 and 50 probably with level sync or restrictions.

PvP is usually about skill and gear just acts as something that pushes extra damage and mitigation. But gear unless severely outgeared plays less a factor than skill.

I am a firm believer that PvP will be fine a year from now.

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They should probably just rip the whole system from SWTOR. I've never been a fan of large scale PvP, nor Arena style PvP. The 8 player TOR Warzones were (to me at least) just right.

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Originally Posted by papakoko

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1) if you think they learned notihng then you clearly never played 1.0.
2) we don't know when the later pvp content is coming out but it's a safe bet it's not wicked soon.
3) their act is already together. It's not SE's fault that most people want to play DPS. You're level 30, do the sch job quest and play sch, and you won't have to wait quite as long. But if you really want to avoid wait times, then
4) you're not playing a single player RPG. If PvE doesn't appeal to you, you're playing the wrong game. Even though I'm excited for PvP and have higher hopes for it than most people around here, it's still not ever going to be the biggest thing in the game.

As far as your question if you're not playing it then of course its safe.

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Originally Posted by papakoko

We make you laugh ? LOL your paying to play PvE game.. The joke is on you. I payed to play FF 1 - 12 once each.. no monthly fee..

PvP at least give ya a goal to work toward. It gives ya something to do.. Your PvE ends. I mean you spend all your time getting the best equips and crafting for what ?? So you can sit and wait for an expansion giving you more PvE content ... ?

We make you laugh ??

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1-12 huh...not sure if anyone has pointed this out to you yet, but if you did in fact play XI you *did* pay a monthly fee. Better yet, odds are you paid more for that than you did for XIV, since it's a base 15bucks I think? and 1 dollar per char after? Been awhile since I've been billed for XI lol. Also, fully agree with you being in the wrong game, FF has *always* been story based, not PvP....when you play past FF's, do you attack your own team for the PvP jollies?

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Originally Posted by Crystallus

I find it funny you have paid to play a PVE mmo with pvp as a side note. pvp will be arena at best a dungeon where you will compete against a small section of the community repeatedly. Whereas PVE will evolve and grow w/ tons of new content and areas to enjoy.

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Rofl this... I mean I don't even... Why on God's green earth would you buy a ff game for pvp... Ff never has and never will be pvp based, and the pvp it does get will be nothing more than an amusement, I mean just wow....

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Originally Posted by papakoko

The joke is on you. I payed to play FF 1 - 12 once each.. no monthly fee..

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How did you play FF11 without monthly fees when its also a subscription based PVE MMORPG that's still pay to play? :confused:

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Originally Posted by dryxaline

Rofl this... I mean I don't even... Why on God's green earth would you buy a ff game for pvp... Ff never has and never will be pvp based, and the pvp it does get will be nothing more than an amusement, I mean just wow....

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prior to hitting it big with warcraft 3, the warcraft universe was a single player game. I don't understand this notion of "it's final fantasy, it can't have PvP." There is no like... final fantasy constitution that says there can't be pvp (or some kind of competitive, not really story driven mode *cough the card games, blitzball, etc*) in a final fantasy game.

PvP in this game is already a lot more than an amusement with gear rewards, skills and systems developed just for it, etc. Hell even FFXI has a new pvp mode that's taking off in Monstrosity.

Oh, don't forget the Dissidia games, which is all about random final fantasy characters battling eachother with no real story or plot whatsoever.

As has been said by others, if you are into PVP only, then cancel your account right now, because this game's emphasis will always be PVE.

Goodbye dude.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

prior to hitting it big with warcraft 3, the warcraft universe was a single player game. I don't understand this notion of "it's final fantasy, it can't have PvP." There is no like... final fantasy constitution that says there can't be pvp (or some kind of competitive, not really story driven mode *cough the card games, blitzball, etc*) in a final fantasy game.

PvP in this game is already a lot more than an amusement with gear rewards, skills and systems developed just for it, etc. Hell even FFXI has a new pvp mode that's taking off in Monstrosity.

Oh, don't forget the Dissidia games, which is all about random final fantasy characters battling eachother with no real story or plot whatsoever.

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Firstly no one said ff can't have pvp. Secondly I think you missed the point... While what u say is true, buying a ff mmo FOR pvp is a huge mistake, and then getting mad about it is even more inexplicable. There is no denying this game is a story based pve mmo.

To be fair the question about his characters being safe is a fairly reasonable one. I know from shortly after US launch FFXI had a policy of not logging in a character for 90 days = character deletion, even though your account remained. I believe they later instituted an undeletion policy, but it could be a legitimate concern.

Generally thanks to the collectivist nature of Japanese culture, most of their games aren't PvP or aren't done well if they are, thus the impression that FF can't have good PvP, although I'm hoping this isn't true. I probably will never play the PvP since I don't enjoy it, but I still hope it's good for those who do like such things.

@ OP: Your account should be safe, but before you quit if you're really planning on coming back you should at least get a class/job to 50 and a few sub-jobs up for the cross-skills lol.

@ PVP note: I'd like PVP so it would be nice to have it in this game but I dunno about it, I saw some of the Wolf Den beta videos and it looked boring. . like "ugh my goodness, I can't even finish watching this video." kind of boring. Reminded me of Ballista which, um. . .well, I thought sucked but that's not to say it wasn't fun for others. I come from AION and TERA and it worked quite well because it's a little(if not ALOT) faster pace then this game and those two games were built with PVP in mind while FF was built with PVE in mind.

OP, if PVP really is a huge thing of yours, I'd suggest looking for videos of it on Youtube. You might be able to find something using Wolfs Den strings and trust me. . .it's not very, um, appealing? well to me anyways. . .Honestly(IMHO), it's enough to make any PVP junkie regret/reconsider this purchase if that's all you're looking for in a game.

Now, is OP wrong for thinking this will have PvP? No. MMOs now-a-days try to insert PvP in because they know that is also where money is out. Yoshi see's that and is going to expand on that, but awesomely, he has stated(rather it be true or not) that it won't be forced onto the PvEers.

BUT, OP should have remembered that, FF was always story driven. Only a few times did they drive for action, and it flopped most of the time. Dissidia was great and all, but, with all my FF friends, none have played or are interested in playing Dissidia, but they do play XIV! Especially if the OP played "so many" FF games, it should be a red flag that PvP, if and most likely, implemented, it's not going to be what they are looking for if they want a PvP MMO.

Also, I have NEVER had 2 hour wait with DF, and I've been a DPS around his level, twice. So, probably an exaggeration. Now, if he said 30-45 minutes, i would nod and agree. BUT, that is what DPS does...sits and waits for a dungeon Que.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Wouldn't it be the other way? The hardcore players that have cleared all the combat related content would be leaving....

Why would the casuals leave? There's a ton of the game left for a lot of them, and if they simply don't like the game I don't see how being a casual or hardcore player is relevant.

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He's implying that hardcore players know what we signed up for, and understand that this game will become nothing but better over time. Introducing, and releasing new content as it goes. Yoshi-P hasn't even received free time I bet with all the preparations of the new classes and first expansion let along the order of patches and releases to things that need to be addressed immediately up to long term ones.

Hardcore understand that we are getting stronger, more versatile, and are preparing ourselves for greater places, expansions, and locales like Sky, Sea, Nyzul Isle, and many other places and new cities. We understand we could be at it for 3-7 or more years which is why they are less likely to quit. We wanna experience the game, not just the beginning. We understand when you look over FFXI's expansions you understand real great greatness has a chance to come.

A Casual could leave because he hasn't committed as much, and he just might one day just say bah... This is boring...

I think I read somwhere in the forums that after 9 months or so of being inactive your character will be deleted. But don't take my word for it.

Why do people consider PvP "non-repetitive content?" Do PvP match, win and gloat or lose and whine like a little baby. Gain no reward either way. Repeat forever. Yaaa-aay..

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Why do people consider PvP "non-repetitive content?" Do PvP match, win and gloat or lose and whine like a little baby. Gain no reward either way. Repeat forever. Yaaa-aay..

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Because...fights against other players aren't scripted?

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Originally Posted by JHeezy

Because...fights against other players aren't scripted?

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Bah, once people have done PvP for 1-2 days and have figured out the "best job" and "best job combos" it'll become just as scripted as any PvE fight.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Bah, once people have done PvP for 1-2 days and have figured out the "best job" and "best job combos" it'll become just as scripted as any PvE fight.

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Theres plenty more variables at work beyond what the best considered team is. Like the fact that people are dynamic and think for themselves.

WHOA NELLY!! 2 WEEKS?!?!? Surprised you lasted that long. Stay gone, people like you are what ruin the game. Maybe pandas would be better suited for you, or LoL....

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Originally Posted by Shura

How did you play FF11 without monthly fees when its also a subscription based PVE MMORPG that's still pay to play? :confused:

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He laugh so hard he brainfarted

Yes! Quit this is a PvE game. PvP will just be an add on with no major impact and not to well develop. Its just to please those who like to kill other people. >.>

Aion is horribly p2w now and their servers are dead in NA. I would not recommend it. NCWest does not give a "·$% about their playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Lunavi

Yes OP, you make me laugh. PvE is not over just because we have done all content that is out there right now. They are making new PvE content, that is what I pay the monthly fee for, getting new content. You do not get that in a single player RPG.

I am also interested in the PvP part, but you act like the ONLY thing worth paying a montly fee for is PvP (which you can get for free with LoL) and that is very incorrect.

We pay a montly fee for new content. All kind of new content. The more different kinds of content you enjoy, the better it looks I guess. MMORPGs might not be for you. MOBAs are probably the genre for you. That is solely focused on PvP which seems to be all you care about. And all respect for that.

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Actually you do get new PVE content in most of the Single Player RPGS now..it's called a DLC

Hey bud, pvp is in december and the REAL pvp is supposed to be released 6 months after game release, aka well, february / march (Frontlines -> Realm vs Realm -> SIEGE YAY).

In the same boat than you :p doin relaxed pve and when pvp will be released, its gonna bleed. A lot.

On top Yoshi immensely care about PvP so yeah its gonna be good. Proper gear / materias / skills and shit , so all the pve cry me a river boï when my skill is nerfed kind of people won't ... you know, cry.

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Originally Posted by AunaYuuki

Only people leaving are the casual gamers which happens in every new release game.

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Funny, the only people I have seen quit since release were all hardcore's who rushed through everything and ran out of stuff to do a couple of weeks in. Meanwhile, the LS full of casuals I am in are still plugging away.

Agreed, all of my casual friends are still in FFXIV, having fun, tons of things to do every single day without getting bored. :) Bye-bye hardcores. ^.-

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Originally Posted by AunaYuuki

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Negative.
The only people who say they will be quitting are those crying about content, after rushing to level 50 to get everything before everyone else. This guy seems to be on his first character and is already fate grinding. And casual gamers play classes they like and will enjoy. Hardcore play classes that are most popular and are needed the most.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Bah, once people have done PvP for 1-2 days and have figured out the "best job" and "best job combos" it'll become just as scripted as any PvE fight.

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If PvP is as simple as PvE as you're suggesting, then how can someone literally beat PvE content 100% of the time but there is no player that wins PvP content 100% time?

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Agreed, all of my casual friends are still in FFXIV, having fun, tons of things to do every single day without getting bored. :) Bye-bye hardcores. ^.-

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You casuals are funny... when the next WoW expansion or the next "AWESOME LEET NEW WOW KILLER" mmo launches and the casuals run to the next shinny thing like they all do then what.

Game will have pushed away the hardcore players base because it is punishing people who want to play the game..... and the casuals will jump ship like they do in every single mmo since the beginning of the genre. The casual player base is the least stable portion of the player base.

On topic... if you do not want to pay for PVE get out of final fantasy and go play guild wars 2. Seriously this is a PVE focused mmo and while the devs want pvp they already stated PVE is completely separate and the focus.

I'm amazed how dumb some people are.... You should have known that there where no PVP in the game when you bought it, or do you just buy random games without knowing anything about them ?

Some MMO developers talk about how their game is doing "something different and new...". But Square Enix haven't done that, they have just released a solid mmo without reinventing the wheel, if you can't enjoy that, then don't buy the game.

I would like to play a new and innovative MMO, but their are none, and you just have to take what the developers give or play other genres.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

I'm amazed how dumb some people are....

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Don't be so harsh, dude! Just remember he said he had a board taken out of his mind, thinking must be tough for him.

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Originally Posted by cotti

Don't be so harsh, dude! Just remember he said he had a board taken out of his mind, thinking must be tough for him.

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Oh yeah... I'm sorry :(

Didn't mean to offend you OP, you can't help that you are.... "behind" others.

Hm. Well, I suppose I didn't really see the "Casuals vs Hardcores" argument coming in this one. Personally, I'd wager that it's a little late in the game for people to be still using the "Rushed to 50" explanation as far as content is involved. At this point, everyone has had more than enough time to level up at least one class and a craft to 50 and get them appropriately geared to reach out to everything that's available. If not, then they're doing some real savoring of what's available. Either way, I think the "rushed to 50" argument is a little weak at this point, even more-so for us Legacy players.

Nonetheless, I'm going to lean on the skeptical side of things as far as PVP is concerned. I don't think it's going to be as fleshed out and "awesome" as people are making it out to be. I mean, this is Final Fantasy, right? Are people really riding the hype train and thinking that it's going to be some super incredible addition to the gameplay now? It's fine to think it'll be good and all, but I wouldn't bet all of my money on it. I'm pretty sure it'll be one of those cases where everyone is super excited about it and when it comes out, it doesn't meet those lofty expectations and people will be mad all over again.

Only PVP that I expect to live up to its name is Street Fighter, or some other Fighting game equivalent, but a Final Fantasy MMO is the last place I think it'd flourish into the monster people seem to be expecting.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

prior to hitting it big with warcraft 3, the warcraft universe was a single player game. I don't understand this notion of "it's final fantasy, it can't have PvP." There is no like... final fantasy constitution that says there can't be pvp (or some kind of competitive, not really story driven mode *cough the card games, blitzball, etc*) in a final fantasy game.

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just as a minor quibble, One, Battle Net and competative multiplayer for the WarCraft series launched with WarCraft 2: Tides of Darkness and two, that criticallyand commercially WarCraft 3:Reign of Chaos was considered a huge let down following the success of StarCraft.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Bye-bye hardcores. ^.-

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

You casuals are funny...

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Same can be said with hardcore players, once content runs dry or isn't delivered fast enough you jump ship and find yourself a new shiny challenge to face. This whole casual vs. hardcore thing is getting old. I know both casual and hardcore gamers who are still playing the same game for years. I still log on those just to say hi to a few.

Obviously some of you are leaving and some of you aren't. It depends on the person.

Odd i never played with other people only robots that want stuff fast