Please, seriously, allow us to send tells to people in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I think it was very clear why people in runs shouldn't be distracted or interrupted during a raid. I agree 100% do to the fact that people can hardly complete a run successfully even while focused but never listen to instructions becuz of IRL issues. Why add ingame distractions to the mix?

/say, /party, /free company and /linkshell chat channels are allowed so why complain?

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Not everyone on my friend's list is in a LS I'm in, or in my FC.. nor am I always in a party with them. Additionally, not everything I see needs to be in a forum where everyone can see it. If I'm giving a party member suggestions, I would much rather do it through whispers than call them out in the middle of a party. If I'm whispering a friend, I don't want to have to wait until I'm out of a dungeon to continue the conversation. If I have a comment to make to another FC/LS member that I maybe don't want to be public knowledge, I don't want to have to wait until after a run.

I totally understand not wanting to get tells while in a raid.. but if it's that big of a deal wouldn't it be better to have a chat channel that lacks whispers in it rather than take out option to whisper for everyone in the game? Seems very foolish and over-protective to disable the option at all for the "well just in case this happens" scenarios. I would like to think the average person playing is smart enough to setup things in a way that suits their playstyle best.

Much needed, excellent ideas! On and off toggle ftw : D

Most dumb limitation ever made in game history.

Bumpalicious.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

I totally understand not wanting to get tells while in a raid.. but if it's that big of a deal wouldn't it be better to have a chat channel that lacks whispers in it rather than take out option to whisper for everyone in the game? Seems very foolish and over-protective to disable the option at all for the "well just in case this happens" scenarios. I would like to think the average person playing is smart enough to setup things in a way that suits their playstyle best.

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Or if the person really doesn't want to receive whispers, they can always just turn them off.

I really can't fathom any legitimate excuse for not being able to receive tells in a dungeon. There's none. It's as silly as being unable to invite someone while in-progress in a dungeon. As silly as having a lease timer for Coil. As silly as not being able to preview gear. As silly as no right click-report (and blist) function. As silly as being unable to adjust the transparency of the chat box background. As silly as being unable to edit the party frame UI except to resize it (oh and as silly as only having three size options for resizing). As...

Actually, there's a lot of stuff in this game that's just utterly ridiculous and was solved long ago by other MMOs. >_<

seems to only happen in NA servers.. geez.

Really, seriously? Yoshi dont want others to harass someone. Well I think it is time that Yoshi allow the sending of tells in a dungeon. There is no need to do all the baby sitting that he is doing by not allowing it. Last time I checked this was a MMO and so the excuse that is given is just that an excuse. So he wants to give security over freedom is that what this is about? Personally I dont care if some one wants to harass me because I can just black list them or was the black list function meant for the RMT's instead of the few who would harass a player?

I'd wouldn't mind tells coming from my friends list while in a dungeon, but not from others. It's annoying enough that RMT asshats spam me when I'm out and about in the game "world". Dungeons are about the only refuge from said asshats.

Like my question on the Live letter questions topic in hopes this gets addressed please!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1545538

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Originally Posted by Trancery

Your thinking is pretty pathetic if this is why you really think /tell's should not be allowed while in a dungeon...

SE, ENABLE /TELL IN DUNGEON. Stop babying / hand-holding your players...

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I think your personal attack on "how I think" warrants you to be on my black list and then i wouldn't have to worry about receiving /tells form people like you ever. If you call a simple restriction like no /tells aloud in dungeons, why not complains about battle restrictions and all the other "hand-holding" in this game. This isn't WoW Aeon or FFXI.

Deal with it like it's something you have to live with. Don't get mad at me. I'm use to it by now.

Sorry to bring this up again.

Would it be technically possible to send and receive /tells in instances?
If yes - is it confirmed that this feature will NEVER be implemented into ARR?

I think it's hell of annoying that i always have to break a conversation with a friend upon entering an instance.
And it's one of the things i'll consider for future subscription.

its funny how ppl dont want tells cause "RMT"... That doesn't make sense..... So instead of raging at SE to moderate their game and get rid of RMT you tell them to disable tells? looool

By that logic tells should also not exsist outside of instaces... or even not exsist at all...

And the "i dont want people messing up my run cause they're chating on /t" argument: Guess what? That already happens on FC and LS chat. and whispering while in battle is a thing in every MMORPG on earth, does it make them impossible to clear? probably not...

My theory is that SE is just having touble developing a working system and they just cover it with "we dont want you to get harassed", I mean, not being able to communicate with the server to get info on Linkshells and friend list makes it obvious that there is something wrong with the server structure...

Yea tells in dungeons are great... " BUY GOLD" will just get worse.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

If this was the case we wouldn't have been able to chat with people in LS or FC with us.

Literally the only reason we can't send tells in dungeons is because it is disabled by choice, not by a technical limitation, and the devs said as much even in beta.

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It may be a choice, but that doesn't mean the solution isn't technical or that it is already implemented. It's very probable that more development is required before they can do it.

"if you give me recomendation i give my recomendation for you" 1 person can tell that for 3 person in a light party dungeon and receive 3 free recomendation(or 7 with full party) amd peoples can harass etc(even gold sellers spam)

I'm on Hyperion.

I get two, perhaps three RMT tells per day.

Evidently, that would be utterly destructive to many players here, to the point that they can no longer complete the content.

I think we need a better brand of player.

i had this so often.

i get ingame, check flist and there's this buddy of mine online and i just want to ask
"hey long time no see"
"what you doin, wanna farm tomes?"
"omg i gotta tell you something"

what am i supposed to do?
wait and try to send tells every minute?

I am not going to have every 1on1 conversation in LS or FC.
If i want to talk to 1 person i don't want to talk to 20 at the same time.

and this "harassment" issue...
seriously.
i had more harassment in 5 months FF14 party/ally chat than in 5 years FF11 all chat combined.

Agreed, This is something lacking.

I was queued up for a dungeon, while talking to the FC leader about something. Oh wait I'm not cut off 1/2 way threw what we where talking about.

The real issue is the instance design. When your in an instance, you are off the server. As such you are no longer in the network for the games tell system. It is not currently designed to allow sending tells to someone not on the server. They'd have to change all that.

They'd also have to make it so that a name can only be used once across all servers. Since this does not happen currently, the servers would have absolutely no idea which character to send a message to when in an instance.

Reason LS and FC work: they're tied specifically to your character, unlike your name.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

They'd also have to make it so that a name can only be used once across all servers.

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No they wouldn't. You just add an @servername to people in cross-server groups, just like any other MMO with cross-server dungeon finders. >_> Not that difficult.

Always have, always will support this. Please implement SE. Hate having private conversations always cut out by dungeon/raids. Having it be only from friends/party members is a very good compromise IMO.

They don't need to make names unique, every player in the game has a unique ID behind the scenes, e.g. 654879. All they need to do is figure out the destination from the source. So if your on coeurl and you Send a message to "Joe Somebody" it should look up "Joe Somebody" to get his ID from the current server, then send the message to the unique ID instead of the name. Meaning you could only msg people from your server but it wouldn't matter if they are in an instance or not.

But currently, the system is not designed to listen to tells from inside an instance server, it is not implemented, therefore it cannot and it blocks you when you try. Think of it like a road that ends at a cliff. They could expand the road but they would need to build a bridge first.

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Originally Posted by ForteXX

They'd also have to make it so that a name can only be used once across all servers. Since this does not happen currently, the servers would have absolutely no idea which character to send a message to when in an instance.

Reason LS and FC work: they're tied specifically to your character, unlike your name.

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rest assured that any character has already his own internal unique id and every server has also it's own unique id so if you put them together you can internally identify any and all characters.

how do I know this? elemental. everything on a database uses internal IDs to keep integrity (it also helps to reduce the space required to store it)

think about this. if the database used internally the name of the character and we were graced by an option to change it (previous payment to square) it would mean changing the name everywhere (the lists of items owned, the lists of missions completed, the list of missions the player is doing, the lists of friends, the lists of people he has blacklisted, the lists of achievements... and so on)

but if it's using an internal id then the character's name is stored on a single place and everywhere else there's only an id that will never see the light so nobody will ever feel the need to change it.

so worry not. everything (servers, players, characters, mobs, bosses, items, places, missions, ...) has already it's own UNIQUE id.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

Edit: It's simple, give us three options -

1. Receive tells from friends while in dungeons? On by default.
2. Receive tells from party-mates while in dungeons? On by default.
3. Receive tells from anyone on your server while in dungeons. Off by default.

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This is a good compromise, however, 2 should be Off by default. Anything that needs said in instance can be said in /p.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

This is a good compromise, however, 2 should be Off by default. Anything that needs said in instance can be said in /p.

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I disagree. sometimes you want to say something in private to avoid unwanted conflict. for example if I /p that I want to add that nice miqo'te to my friends list but only her the other two at the party may not take it well but if I /tell her nobody else will know about it.

RMT spam even in dungeons?

y-you too...

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Originally Posted by Gontrant_Sorel

I disagree. sometimes you want to say something in private to avoid unwanted conflict. for example if I /p that I want to add that nice miqo'te to my friends list but only her the other two at the party may not take it well but if I /tell her nobody else will know about it.

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Sending the friend request accomplishes that, I didn't realize it required a discussion. That example aside, I do understand what you are trying to illustrate.

Does the potential unwanted conflict of defaulting off outweigh the potential harassment of defaulting on?

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Originally Posted by Gontrant_Sorel

rest assured that any character has already his own internal unique id and every server has also it's own unique id so if you put them together you can internally identify any and all characters.

how do I know this? elemental. everything on a database uses internal IDs to keep integrity (it also helps to reduce the space required to store it)


think about this. if the database used internally the name of the character and we were graced by an option to change it (previous payment to square) it would mean changing the name everywhere (the lists of items owned, the lists of missions completed, the list of missions the player is doing, the lists of friends, the lists of people he has blacklisted, the lists of achievements... and so on)

but if it's using an internal id then the character's name is stored on a single place and everywhere else there's only an id that will never see the light so nobody will ever feel the need to change it.

so worry not. everything (servers, players, characters, mobs, bosses, items, places, missions, ...) has already it's own UNIQUE id.

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Thanks for just expanding on what I said.

I agree with the OP completely, you should be able to send tells in dungeons. It would not be a major distraction, in my opinion, especially considering you can already use FC and LS chat anyways.

For the time being I have opted to create a couple of linkshells and invite individuals or groups of RL friends to them so that I can still talk to them privately within dungeons.

I can see where devs got the idea that it might be distracting but honestly I find things like DF a lot more entertaining with some conversation and it's pretty rare to get grouped up with people who actually want to talk to you. It's kind of weird but since Duty Roulette was introduced I find dungeons a lot more boring these days, not being able to chat with or que up with friends for that daily bonus really has a big impact on fun factor. Sometimes you just need to swallow your pride and admit that an idea is silly, this is one of those times in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Gontrant_Sorel

so worry not. everything (servers, players, characters, mobs, bosses, items, places, missions, ...) has already it's own UNIQUE id.

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Not to be picky here but I do have to point out that not all items have their own unique id per se. For example, if you have two of the same pieces of equipment and choose to meld materia onto only 1 of them and then set the melded one to a gear set, you'll quickly find that occasionally when you change to that gear set it will equip the non-melded version of the same item instead of the melded version that you actually assigned to the gear set. That said, it's more accurate to say that every item has a specific id that is the same for all versions of that item.

Even so, I would agree that servers and characters do have a unique id because if they didn't there would be a lot of security concerns on SE's side of things.

The harassment thing is a lie tbh, what stops people from harassing you in party chat? why not block party chat too -_-

MMO's are all about social activity, the fact that I can't whisper my friends in a dungeon is pathetic... remove all these stupid limitations, we aren't 12.. if people feel harassed they can black list them, stop lying and give us the real reason why you won't enable this -_-

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

The last response from devs on this was "blah blah we don't want people to be able to harass you"

How about just tells to people on your friends list?

Lets compromise here.

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that was before 1 click blacklist.

Let people send and receive tells while in a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

stop lying and give us the real reason why you won't enable this -_-

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well, it means effort and ressources to realize that.
when they're not able to even program a proper alliance feature, i'm not too optimistic tho tbh.

i just want to know if - even though people want it - there are actually no plans for the future of ARR to do it.
which would disappoint me very much that i would have to bare with this restriction for all the years to come...

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

The harassment thing is a lie tbh, what stops people from harassing you in party chat? why not block party chat too -_-

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I would imagine the thinking is that party chat should be self policing. If someone is harassing in party they are more likely to get called out or kicked. No way to do that with tells.

Also, why would they lie about the reason, they have nothing to gain by it. Tells to friends should be allowed, anything else is unnecessary.