FATE is Ruining this game, please buff dungeons.

Aye, the FATE system from here is following the same trend as GW2 DE.
At first, you got a lot of people trying to finish them but as time goes on and with the armory class it's either a Zerg fest or a AOE fest.

Thing is with dungeons: first the queue times for DPS are abyssmal due to the lack of tanks and healers and buffing the experience of dungeons doesn't seem like an easy solution either.

Dungeons are in a pretty okay place, at the moment. What's really, really hurting atm are guildhests. Nobody does those more than once, and even that's only for the big gil boost you get from the first run.

Dungeon experience would need a massive boost - about ten times the experience - to put them on par with FATES.

I'm seeing a lot of people say to buff dungeon exp but i don't think that'll help. As a WHM, i would still pick fates over dungeons even if the exp was high in dungeons. My adventure through dungeons as CNJ/WHM have been horrible. And that is the sole reason i still have not finished the story yet. I almost always get a horrible tank which makes the run way more stressful than fun. I thought that maybe it was me. But i don't spam heals, i try and keep the tank around 80%-90% health, and i estimate how fast i need to heal by how fast their health drops. Just tanking 3 enemies @ once drops their health so fast, i barely can keep up with heals enough to sleep the extra enemies. Tanks need to take less damage period. That seems to be the big issue. So much work for the same exp as a DPS seems so unfair. :(

They need to do several things to make it more appealing:

1) Buff dungeon exp, Halatali gives all of 20kish exp w/o any bonuses applied to it. It only takes 25-30 minutes to complete, but I could have easily done 5+ Fates within that time period and gotten 40k+. Maybe get some gear, but it just isn't comparable.
2) Buff Battle Leve exp. Again, at level 30ish, a battle leve gives about 4.5k. A fate will take the same time, maybe even less, and give more than double that.
3) Allow guildhests to have bonuses be repeated WEEKLY. Have it reset at the same time as the myth cap does, even. There is no appeal to do them more than once as they stand.
4) Allow chocobo's to be used in battle leves AND while in a queue. It's ridiculous that they can only be used while doing a FATE or soloing random mobs. =/

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It pisses me off so much I pretty much stopped playing. I hate people just running around doing FATEs. It takes forever and a half to get into a dungeon and when you do want to do fates they're done in about 15 secs by stupid fate groups teleporting all over the zone.


Fixes:

Lower FATE exp
Raise Dungeon exp
Add a timer for party teleports and put it at 1 min. If you haven't gotten to a good enough place to teleport in a freaking minute then you can get your own ass there.

dungeon completion reward should definitely be a huge amount of exp, otherwise dungeons will be a ghost town very soon if they aren't already. Currently a go once and then you're done kinda thing.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Casuals demanded fates, and that's how you level solo, the entire leveling process in this game is solo, quest/FATE is all solo, you be "online" to play by yourself all you want now, congratulations.

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Ive turned somewhat casual. you have no idea what i / we want.
I used to be a hardcore raider. I DONT WANT TO DO FATES , EVER...

Why is the harder content rewarded with the minimal xp/gil. Why dont dungeons completions give us any seals? Why is always the easiest path to victory the most rewarding?? MMo's have it soooo wrong these days.

Same scenario. Why is the paladin a much easier job to tank with then the warrior. It takes a little skill to play a warrior right, yet the warrior is the inferior tank in the end????
Why is all the easy stuff the most profitable??????

I'll defend FATEs, they are interesting as a concept, but they need to lower the number of FATEs that spawn and increase their cool down. They are not Random encounters that will give you that feeling of a living and breathing world as they stand now. They are just a bunch of random tasks that will show on your map all the time. lol It's just stupid. I like the idea of random events that will make a small difference in the world. Like a route that is blocked by enemies and you need to defeat them to open up that route or vendor NPCs that are kidnapped and you need to rescue them.
I'm not talking about a 15 min cool down. I'm talking about 5 hours~10 hours cool down and I'm talking about routes that WILL make a difference, like in GW2 where there is a Bridge and there is an event to defend that bridge, if that event fails, the bridge is destroyed and the players will need to walk A LOT to get to the location that through the bridge wouldn't take as long.

Llan Hana.

...Anyways. I agree with OP. I wish DPSs had another viable leveling option. Leves should give a lot more Experience due to the fact that you can only do leves a limited number of times per day.

Stupid character limit.

Llan Hana.

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Originally Posted by Jeronlmo

Casuals demanded fates, and that's how you level solo, the entire leveling process in this game is solo, quest/FATE is all solo, you be "online" to play by yourself all you want now, congratulations.

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Most people prefer to level entirely off quests. Btw, what makes someone who levels in groups more "hardcore" than someone who levels from quests? Another person who doesn't know the difference between casual/hardcore. If someone is capable of beating said dungeon once. Then they beat said dungeon twice. There's a good chance they can beat said dungeon a third time. Hardcore implies that something is hard. Doing the same task you've already proven capable of doing over and over isn't hardcore. It's tedious.

The "FATE" concept to me needs an overhaul. Having everyone being able to "mindlessly" zerging FATEs in general is really boring. Like make FATEs have more depth to them, perhaps make it so only a certain amount of people can enter ( they can even make it instance if they so desire.

Like 8 people approach said FATE> get put into an instance (the area can even look the same), then at that point, make it so the FATEs have more meaning.

That's how I feel about FATEs personally.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Most people prefer to level entirely off quests. Btw, what makes someone who levels in groups more "hardcore" than someone who levels from quests? Another person who doesn't know the difference between casual/hardcore. If someone is capable of beating said dungeon once. Then they beat said dungeon twice. There's a good chance they can beat said dungeon a third time. Hardcore implies that something is hard. Doing the same task you've already proven capable of doing over and over isn't hardcore. It's tedious.

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Sorry but hardcore has nothing to do with hard content.

Hardcore is a mindset. You can be hardcore with content that has no challange or you can be hardcore slamming your head against twintania in this game.

Someone playing 30mins a day who can beat twintania in ARR is not hardcore, they are a good player.

Hardcore =/= hard content.

Just like Casual =/= crappy player and hardcore =/= good player. I seen good casuals and horrible hardcores in my 13yrs of playing mmos.

I very much agree with the OP. You have my like.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Sorry but hardcore has nothing to do with hard content.

Hardcore is a mindset. You can be hardcore with content that has no challange or you can be hardcore slamming your head against twintania in this game.

Someone playing 30mins a day who can beat twintania in ARR is not hardcore, they are a good player.

Hardcore =/= hard content.

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Perhaps 'Traditionalist' is the proper term. I consider myself a traditionalist because I would rather gain levels in a traditional manner ( groups that require role responsibility).

FATEs have somewhat become an accepted power leveling tactic. That, IMO, needs to be changed.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Hardcore =/= hard content.

Just like Casual =/= crappy player and hardcore =/= good player. I seen good casuals and horrible hardcores in my 13yrs of playing mmos.

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Actually that was kind of my point though badly worded. The way he is speaking of casuals makes it seem like casuals are a bad thing. That bad design features is because of casuals. I don't re-call any casuals jumping up and down screaming for fates. Just for things to be done in a timely fashion whether it be from doing dungeons, leveling, or fates. Most casuals aren't asking for a specific thing to be the only way. He worded it as if the game was designed entirely for the hardcore it would have come out better. He implied that casuals just want to solo. Which also implies grouping is "too hard" for a casual. This isn't true.

Heres what I was hoping to see:

Dungeon leves: A random dungeon that rewards competitive experience.

Fates changes:
Lower the amount of experience obtained or change it so they can not be completed so fast.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

I don't think giving more xp in dungeons will help, unless SE's goal is for is to rush to 50.

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That's exactly it, though, I think. For new characters to be able to catch up to Legacy players quick enough so that we can all be on the same level for when new content comes out. The longer it takes us to get on par with Legacy, the longer they will be separated and stuck on their Legacy servers that are already pretty crowded from what I hear (We can't give them an advantage, God forbid people will whine). I played 1.0 for about a year and I didn't max any crafts, I had several 40+ classes and a 50 Archer. This time around I maxed ALL of the crafts in a month and a half. I feel like they made the 1-50 as the warm up due to legacy players. And that content will be designed with more focused on everyone once we all are near the same point in the game. I remember leves were a pain in the ass and weren't as frequently given to us as they are now. So, by having many more leves (and Fates for Battle classes) now helps us close the gap between us and them that much quicker. But who knows? Maybe they didn't think this out. I still feel like real endgame will happen when level cap is raised and the real exp grind kicks in. Isn't there data-mined info that points to a dramatic increase in exp needed beyond 50 even though cap is still 50?

wtb dungeons as a viable leveling option.

Fates are lame, mindless and boring exp grinds....

run in, spam aoe, profit.

I think other leveling routes could be re-balanced. FATEs are little OPed in comparison to dungeons and leves.... especially dungeon experiences. I would like to see Leves get a slight boost in exp but I would also like to see them become more group friendly. Behests would be cool if they turned into more Riftesque Instant Adventures (spawning random challenges for group of players, taking them all over the current zone). Otherwise, I don't see many players take advantage of them.

I would run dungeons if I didn't have to wait an hour every time.

Guess I'm the only one post on this thread that happens to like fates, I can run them for hours and not get bored. I also like dungeons, but with the way people go afk, leave, force people to leave in dungeons seems fates are the better option. Maybe if they did buff dungeons it would help put an end to people dropping group etc, but it would have to be a massive buff. Who really knows though, buffing dungeons may do the opposite.

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Originally Posted by NeonC

I would run dungeons if I didn't have to wait an hour every time.

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Encourage more people to play tanks then :P

I do not think FATE grinding ruins this game in anyway, however with that said I do think dungeons should get an exp buff to make them just as viable for leveling up. Everyone has their preferred way of leveling, so just because you enjoy dungeon leveling doesn't mean everyone else will.

The issue is Fate has become the focus of the game pre-endgame.

FATE is fine but it should be filler content. Something you do between questing, dungeons, leves, and such. Something that happens as you run by. Not the best/primary thing in the game, that people spam and afk between.

XIV is making the same mistake GW2 did with dynamic events. Way too much focus on them.

Keep fates, but either nerf them alot or buff other venues to be better then them, especially dungeons.

The main issues with dungeons and DF is the que time and less exp gains. How can we make people want to run dungeons, or lower level ones at that?

1) Buff all dungeons a enough to make spamming them as good exp as FATE grids.
2) Place a "Any Random Dungeon" button for max level characters. This button will place the player in any dungeon for any level. Prioritizing placing the "Randomly placed" player with lower level players to fill in needed spots for the que. For their effort, give the player marks and gil at the end. This reward is the same regardless of what dungeon you end up in. Also,make chests give the "Randomly placed" player marks and gil. This will make them grab chests instead of skipping them for speed, since they will probably have little interest in the drops.

This "Any Random Dungeon" button does two fold.
1)Places tanks and healers in the que for lower level dungeons. This allows alts and new players to level character in dungeons with shorter wait times.
2) Give higher level character another source of marks over spamming CM, WP, or AK. You know, something different.


Think about, you randomly place in a dungeon with your level 50. You get Copperbell. You get marks for an easy dungeon and some lower level players actually gets to run a dungeon for exp.

I find it insulting that SE said in the beta forums how FATE will replace NM and HNM.

It does not even come close to replacing NM/HNM.

More dungeons, more XP per dungeon = shorter queues if everyone wants to play them instead of grinding FATEs.

Completely agree with OP. FATEs are really ruining the game right now, and sadly there's no alternative with a comparable exp/hour ratio so everyone just spam them, which in turns breeds a lot of extremely bad lv50's that have no clue how to play their class. Dungeon experience gain needs to be increased greatly to make it a worthy alternative that people will want to do more than once for the story.

They also have to incentivize tanks to queue more often, as they're are by far the biggest bottle neck in the system.

FATES are indeed very boring. I want to do dungeons, but I am leveling a DPS and the waiting time for a dungeon is around 30-40 minutes and the experience that one gets from the dungeon is horrible when you compare it to a FATE. Right now a dungeon queue time is around 35 minutes + 30-40 min dungeon run gets me maybe a 3/4 of my experience bar full, but with a FATE I can level twice during that time.

Even if I get into a dungeon, unless I play my tank, I can not convince the other 3 to kill all the monsters so we can benefit from extra experience. The moment they join a dungeon, they run the path that brings them the closest to the final boss of the dungeon.

SE, please increase the experience gained from the dungeons.

Give me the original FFXI party style levelling any day over FATEs. At least there you actually talk and make friends instead of zerging like a swarm of bees.

A very good comedian said it all in one line.

" Theres not a pill you can take, a class you can goto. Stupid is forever. "

FATES aren't ruining the game. Its a system specifically designed around multi classing on one character, so no more quests.
Dungeons aren't going to teach people anything. At all. If you want people to learn something, have them do the stupid guildheists, those actually INSTRUCT you on how to play cooperatively and teaches mechanics.

P.S. Its kind of a double standard. People complaining that fates are ruining the game and not teaching people dungeons. When probably a majority of the people complaining about this are probably people that immediately ditch wp/ak etc when they see someone not well geared. :P

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Buff Dungeon EXP
Guild Hest should reset per class, not character
Buff Leve Exp

I've said this a million times on these forums by now, Square would rather focus on Miqote butts.

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Agree with OP and with Rekujen's post as well. It's not about gimping Fate XP, it's about buffing xp in other activities so they also become a viable way to level up.

Although I wouldn't mind a miqote butt fix either. Just throwing it out there.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Give me the original FFXI party style levelling any day over FATEs. At least there you actually talk and make friends instead of zerging like a swarm of bees.

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Take off the rose-colored glasses. That was only the case if you had the right bandwagon jobs of the era. I take it you never leveled Beastmaster, Summoner, Puppetmaster, or Dragoon prior to Abyssea?

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Originally Posted by Klive

2) Place a "Any Random Dungeon" button for max level characters. This button will place the player in any dungeon for any level. Prioritizing placing the "Randomly placed" player with lower level players to fill in needed spots for the que. For their effort, give the player marks and gil at the end. This reward is the same regardless of what dungeon you end up in. Also,make chests give the "Randomly placed" player marks and gil. This will make them grab chests instead of skipping them for speed, since they will probably have little interest in the drops.

This "Any Random Dungeon" button does two fold.
1)Places tanks and healers in the que for lower level dungeons. This allows alts and new players to level character in dungeons with shorter wait times.
2) Give higher level character another source of marks over spamming CM, WP, or AK. You know, something different.

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This is already coming with 2.1

Also they should buff leve exp if we do them in party. Same exp as now if we do them solo and in party an exp bonus for each party member.

In 1.00 I would log in and ask myself, what will I do today?

In ARR I log in and ask, what does SqEnix want me to do today?

FF14 a leash reborn.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Take off the rose-colored glasses. That was only the case if you had the right bandwagon jobs of the era. I take it you never leveled Beastmaster, Summoner, Puppetmaster, or Dragoon prior to Abyssea?

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No, but I was BLM, WHM, BRD

My only current problem with FATES is that new players have no way of progressing the story having to do the first three dungeons WHEN NO ONE DOES THEM. I ran into this problem recently when a friend of mine just started the game. It took us almost 30 mins to Q, and i was the tank. Good God i'm sorry for solo DPS roles >_>

sometimes is so many players on the fate the i can't even see the monsters by the time am able to see them they already dead.
another thing i have never seen odin i been there and is just so much lag the i cant even see what am suppose to be figthing and out of the sudden am dead
i dont know how can you fix this the only solution i can think is to make a world for ps3 only users that may fix the lag issues

If they just buffed Leve and Dungeon XP, and left FATEs the way they are people could choose to solo or play in groups. Having it one way or the other, like it is now is terrible.