So its 850k for Small house.

Am I the only one concerned about the long wait for personal housing? 1-3 months is doable, but 6 months (after 2.1 drops) seems like an eternity. I guess there is some technical reason for the delay, but it is just odd that content that naturally should be a selling point to players and has been worked on for so long is being restricted to most players. No FC is going to give everyone house designing/furniture placement rights. It would be like playing the same Sims game with 10-20 other people. Complete Chaos. Instead, it will be FC leaders and officers making most of the aesthetic decisions, as it should be to avoid that. It seems that many players in FCs are going to be removed from the design portion of housing.

It's vanity content meant to get players invested in the game and to subscribe more. However, it keeps players from get invested by taking the personal decisions ("I want to live in Limsa" "I'm going to buy a mog rug" etc.) away from most of them for 6-8 months.

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Originally Posted by ReithDynamis

Well that's you're opinion and you're welcome to it but I really have to disagree. Housing should be something earned to show your accomplishments. Otherwise every willy-nilly player will be putting down lots of land and a house an not be seen for months on end but we can still see their freaken houses. I'd rather know the people who are sticking around making a time and money commitment putting down houses.

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I think being able to afford the house itself is an accomplishment if it stays at that price.

It's pretty mystifying that there are going to be FC housing but not personal housing, because presumably what you can do in your own house is less than what you can do in a FC which might have better privileges. So if you can do FC housing you can also do private housing. It'd make sense if it's the other way around, i.e. we get personal housing and FC housing later because FC housing is more ambitious, but I can't see any scenario where personal housing isn't just a more limited form of FC housing so what's the hold up?

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Originally Posted by Rumpelstiltzkin

Lol some people here are acting like this is the price of private housing. This is for your Free Company, 850k (if that is the number) can hardly be said to be a lot of gil for a FC.

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But no FC would buy a S-sized house (a whole FC in one small room?). So it would cost more because they would buy a M-sized or L-sized house.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

It's pretty mystifying that there are going to be FC housing but not personal housing, because presumably what you can do in your own house is less than what you can do in a FC which might have better privileges. So if you can do FC housing you can also do private housing. It'd make sense if it's the other way around, i.e. we get personal housing and FC housing later because FC housing is more ambitious, but I can't see any scenario where personal housing isn't just a more limited form of FC housing so what's the hold up?

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Both types get their own privileges.
As example for chocobo raising you would need a personal housing.

Didn't Yoshi say the houses would be on an auction system so if people keep bidding them up it could be very expensive.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Didn't Yoshi say the houses would be on an auction system so if people keep bidding them up it could be very expensive.

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It's a reverse auction.

Price starts high and drops as time goes on.

Eg. Small house begins at 850k. Each day that passes, the price might go down 10k. (or something similar)

Sounds about right.

I should start saving up.

Did anyone catch if they said if a house/land would be able to be shared by two people?

Also wondering if we should start ranking up in all three FC's. I really like the look of Limsa housing but not sure if anyone other zones showed beachfront housing.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Both types get their own privileges.
As example for chocobo raising you would need a personal housing.

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In that case they can just implement the personal housing while leaving certain aspects like chocobo raising out until a later patch. I'm guessing most people just want a house where they can put down some furniture and put some trophies. The more advanced stuff can certainly wait.

With how people buy titan runs and Vanya gear willy nilly I bet these people with "magical throwaway funds" are going to buy up all the land plots easy.

Our FC has already amassed 1 mil from member donations. This isn't much at all. And I disagree that housing should be easy to get. It should cost a lot of money. It does in real life. Inns are free apartments. Houses are houses. They aren't cheap.

Add some sewers under each city for us poor folk. Then we can live in the slums under the city, like in FFVII.

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Originally Posted by BlackPriest

Our FC has already amassed 1 mil from member donations. This isn't much at all. And I disagree that housing should be easy to get. It should cost a lot of money. It does in real life. Inns are free apartments. Houses are houses. They aren't cheap.

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Problem is most people aren't going to be able to "Work their way up there." Land plots aren't infinite. They stated there's only so many of them unless I'm wrong. These plots are all going to go up very very quickly. As I said in another post, there's people that throw around 500,000 gil for free titan wins and throw around more gil to run around in High crafted gear that goes for 500-800k per piece.

I think the devs are going to be amazed at how quick these houses are gone.

Sadly it also means smaller FC's are going to have an issue retaining members if they can't get the funds to afford these houses in time as many will move on to FC's that do have these houses as well as their perks. In my opinion there needs to be something akin to LOTRO where there's an instance where these houses are sold and once sold out a new instance opens that can be chosen from a drop down list.

They should at least allow you to buy a cardboard box for 200 Gil, to start your housing needs. But, you can only put them on Pearl Lane in Ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

They clearly gave yoshi 1bil gil.

He paid for a Small house to use during the stream.

http://daevaofwar.net/uploads/galler..._2_1_60425.jpg

Note how much gil he has left.

Subject to change of course, but that's what this house cost him on the stream.

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You know, demonstrations of an internal client version are highly unlikely to refelct the actual cost when the patch goes live.

You can get an idea of where they might be pegging it but also remember that 1) the prices probably arent final and 2) the cost depends on the demand. If people are unable to / do not buy the houses, the prices go down over time.

... That's it?

Hell, I'm all over that. I thought buying a small sized house would leave me house poor and unable to eat. That's totally afforable.

im quite disappointed with the fact of no personal houses till well after this patch the 1 thing i was really looking forward to.. i dont have a fc and nor do i want 1 for now .. the only thing i can think of is to start my own fc just for the housing option then having to compete with a auction system of massive guilds that would have far better funds than i sadly.. i think its a mistake..correct me if im wrong but having a auction system is that not just feeding the rmts

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Originally Posted by snakey77

i dont have a fc and nor do i want 1 for now .. the only thing i can think of is to start my own fc just for the housing option then having to compete with a auction system of massive guilds that would have far better funds than i sadly.. i think its a mistake..correct me if im wrong but having a auction system is that not just feeding the rmts

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That's just it. People keep saying "Don't worry. If a land isn't being bought it'll go down in price." This isn't going to happen. They're all going to be bought up nearly immediately. Single players have millions upon millions of gil. There's people in this very thread going "850,000? That's cheap!" Small FC's won't get to wait until the price drops. They'll all be gone by then. Again, correct me if I'm wrong but they stated that there's only so many plots of land. Therefore, they will sell out eventually.

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Originally Posted by busta

They already do. It's called the inn. This housing system is a luxury item. So it fits in with your description.

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At the same time why make a highly anticipated feature and make it prohibitively expensive?

I agree with everyone that has been saying, if these are the prices for personal housing, expect Gil seller spam to get worse. He'll if they are going to stubbornly stick to the "plot of land are finite" and if they make them re-salable, the only way to get one will be through Gil sellers

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

They clearly gave yoshi 1bil gil.

He paid for a Small house to use during the stream.

http://daevaofwar.net/uploads/galler..._2_1_60425.jpg

Note how much gil he has left.

Subject to change of course, but that's what this house cost him on the stream.

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850K is not bad. You call that small? Clearly it's better than a inn and it came with land... for encouraging wise spending.

I hope they introduce tents though, maybe we nomads can move around and set up anywhere we want if we're indecisive.

As you can compare a game-life to real-life, EVERYTHING is much more expensive(not for the light of hard). Remember what your 'ol folks told you when you were little, "If you want to do what ever the hellz you feel like it, get a job, make your own moneyz and buy your own house! While your under my roof, you do what I say." XD

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

850K is not bad. Clearly for encouraging wise spending.

I hope they introduce tents though, maybe we nomads can move around and set up anywhere we want if we're indecisive.

As you can compare a game-life to real-life, EVERYTHING is much more expensive(not for the light of hard). Remember what your 'ol folks told you when you were little, "If you want to do what ever the hellz you feel like it, get a job, make your own moneyz and buy your own house! While your under my roof, you do what I say." XD

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Except this is a game and there's these things called "Gil sellers" and these other things called "Gil Buyers." to them money is no object and if a FC has even one of these people there's nothing out of reach for them.

I highly doubt this will drive gil selling. The prices are REALLY not that high for free company housing. having 850k on one's lonesome is not an insurmountable task, and if you solicit donations from your members (it is for the company after all, not for yourself) the cost per person is very reasonable even for a pretty small company. naturally med/large buildings will cost more, but if your company is "medium" or "large" in size, again, the cost per person is not going to be unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Reslin

Except this is a game and there's these things called "Gil sellers" and these other things called "Gil Buyers." to them money is no object and if a FC has even one of these people there's nothing out of reach for them.

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two-words: "Background-check" ;D

(yes, we've reached a new low, sigh)

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I highly doubt this will drive gil selling. The prices are REALLY not that high for free company housing. having 850k on one's lonesome is not an insurmountable task, and if you solicit donations from your members (it is for the company after all, not for yourself) the cost per person is very reasonable even for a pretty small company. naturally med/large buildings will cost more, but if your company is "medium" or "large" in size, again, the cost per person is not going to be unreasonable.

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just food for thought 850k isnt even confirmed it was just the jpn cost on the live stream price still unknown but what has been said is the land is going to be in auction so sadly i think the 850k even if its true land cost is going to hit the 100s of millions if at auction

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q: When will individual housing be implemented?

A: It will be around half a year after patch 2.1’s release.

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Uh.. is it saying that we wont see our personal housing until half year later? Or.. did i misunderstood the grammar? :confused:

says the same in the German live letter recap (that it will be 6 months after 2.1)

I'm really only bummed by the fact that you need to be in a FC and I'm a little concerned about what happens if one choses to change their FC because how it sounds like right now it would mean giving up the house. not that I don't expect myself to still be a 'lonesome cowgirl' summer next year, but yeh...

I think they should implement a mortgage system in 2.2.

At no point did Yoshi-P state a price for housing. What we are looking at is an arbitrary figure used for testing purposes. Yoshi-P has stated in the past that the status of the game economy will dictate the price of housing so do not expect a decision til just prior to the patch and do not expect an announcement til after the patch goes live. The only thing he did confirm was the fact that prices would be the same on all worlds.

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Originally Posted by Rizon

At no point did Yoshi-P state a price for housing. What we are looking at is an arbitrary figure used for testing purposes. Yoshi-P has stated in the past that the status of the game economy will dictate the price of housing so do not expect a decision til just prior to the patch and do not expect an announcement til after the patch goes live. The only thing he did confirm was the fact that prices would be the same on all worlds.

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That is true, and a really good point. We're looking at developer test footage. Not finalized pricing.

That's not too bad of a price. By the time personal hosing is released I should have enough for a M sized house. I also have to agree getting the house should not be super easy. About 800k for the S sized house is reasonable to me.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Really disappointing. Housing should be something available baseline to everyone; make the gil sink come from bigger and more complex houses and items.

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No.... Housing should take work and should be an accomplishment. Why is it that everyone wants handouts these days?

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Originally Posted by PapesseLudovique

The only accomplishment involved in getting a house, is to simply grind up the ridiculous pay wall. What accomplishments are you displaying exactly?

Most other games, make housing accessible, because it's there to be enjoyed. Make the decorations reflect effort. Unique trophies, etc. Don't make getting a house outside the reach of most players. Remember, the number one complaint is lack of things to do at end game. So why take what could be a huge end game activity and hide it behind a joyless, unobtainable (for most) pricetag?

Also you're making a lot of assumptions and acting as if seeing houses of inactive players in any way ruins your game. As if most people even pay attention to that.

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There is a lot more to this game than just end-game already. Let's not forget crafting/gathering. SE shouldn't just give away houses if you don't want to play the whole game for what it is. Sorry, MMO's involve more than just dungeon grinds. Other things are grinds as well, just like housing will be.

I'm glad that it will require some work and effort.

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Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime

Am I the only one concerned about the long wait for personal housing? 1-3 months is doable, but 6 months (after 2.1 drops) seems like an eternity. I guess there is some technical reason for the delay, but it is just odd that content that naturally should be a selling point to players and has been worked on for so long is being restricted to most players. No FC is going to give everyone house designing/furniture placement rights. It would be like playing the same Sims game with 10-20 other people. Complete Chaos. Instead, it will be FC leaders and officers making most of the aesthetic decisions, as it should be to avoid that. It seems that many players in FCs are going to be removed from the design portion of housing.

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Am I the only one that see's this as good thing? Now I'll have time to acquire a healthy bank account and get a start on all my crafts before housing is implemented. Just chill and let the game develop, sheesh....

Why does everything have to be "RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!"

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

At the same time why make a highly anticipated feature and make it prohibitively expensive?

I agree with everyone that has been saying, if these are the prices for personal housing, expect Gil seller spam to get worse. He'll if they are going to stubbornly stick to the "plot of land are finite" and if they make them re-salable, the only way to get one will be through Gil sellers

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850K is nothing. I have almost that and I've been putting very little effort into making gil. Just selling a few things here and there and selling what I can from leveling my crafts. If I actually put a concerted effort into making profit rather than building my crafts right now, I'd have 10X more gil than I currently do.

I can only imagine how easy it'll be to make gill when I can use all my time/materials collected for profit rather than leveling new crafts.

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Originally Posted by Jess_Spark

6 months after 2.1 is not acceptable. Housing should have been available at release. It's another smack in the face that they are releasing FC housing only...Not everyone is in an FC. With the very limited space in this game we need housing now. I won't last 6 more months without a house. Please get er done faster! I've already saved my 1 million gil. I'm ready to buy my house!

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Save more and get a bigger house! :)

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Really disappointing. Housing should be something available baseline to everyone; make the gil sink come from bigger and more complex houses and items.

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you allready got an inn room, i dont understand the problem, you want more for free?

I noticed the missing gil amount as well... but really we do not know what he bought.

There was at least one plot of land (keep in mind he entered all 3 housing sizes in the video)
At least one house
Many different types of gates, windows, doors etc etc
Quite a few outside furnishings (mailbox, table, chairs, tree, cannon thingy)

We don't know if he bought all those things, or if he only bought a few, or if he bought ANY at all... so I would take that missing gil with a grain of salt.

wow i was hoping for something like 250k 300k for the small house... so far i saved 200k..
850k seems more reasonable for the FC house, since all the members of the FC could cash some gil in to buy it.

this are the prices i would be ok with
250k small
400k Medium
600k big

I guess the gil sellers will be happy now. Yet another reason to buy gil for lazy people I guess.

I will pay whatever amount of gil I have to pay to sit on my front porch and tell all the lalas to "get off my lawn"

I will be happy with just a small little wooden cottage ^.^ a place to hang my cloths, and cook my meals...... it gets cold out there :(

I only get bothered by the fact that personal housing is anywhere from 7 to 9 months away :/

That might not be accurate, just FYI. They stated very recently that they won't determine the final cost of housing until right before the release at which point they will take a look at the economy and determine the cost based on that.

He bought a few stacks of 2 star food first..