People complaining about PS3 Players

Healing is fine with controller I always use controller for both PC and PS3

I think there's pros and cons to keyboard and mouse, and gamepad. Quickly targeting members of your party to heal or cast whatever on them may be easier to do than on pad, but on pad using all 16 abilities on your primary cross hotbar is easier to do than using all 10 of your abilities on your normal hotbar. Keep in mind that in both these cases when I say "easier" I mean "more intuitive." You can do something well even if it doesn't seem intuitive at first. Healers on pad can get really good at scrolling through party members on the fly and removing debuffs and such while moving.

As for the actual PC vs PS3 debate... the PS3 looks a bit worse graphically, and the framerate's terrible, probably half of that of most pc players. Not to mention the culling's worse and the fog. The PS3 is just dramatically less powerful than most PC's these days and it shows.

That said, the game is certainly very playable on PS3, but I don't think the experience is as smooth or pretty as on PC.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

the PS3 looks a bit worse graphically, and the framerate's terrible, probably half of that of most pc players. Not to mention the culling's worse and the fog. The PS3 is just dramatically less powerful than most PC's these days and it shows.

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This is not a flame war, and this doesnt matter as lower graphics do no affect performance.

Just ignore those ppl. Chances are they arent even in a FC

how can curing be bad on a gamepad? with 8 main content i can cure someone, and before my cure even gets off i have my next person selected

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Originally Posted by Ceol

The only way you can know someone is a PS3 player is if you yourself are on a PS3 and examine them. Other than that, the whole, "Watch the way they walk!" crap can be applied to any PC user with a controller (or hell, even server lag.)



So then why are you even saying anything at all?

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I only said that it adds a little handicap (which isn't bad at all), I never said that a ps3 user is worse than a pc user. I pretend to heal in end game with a controler...It wasn't my intention to insult any ps3 user, if you understood that, I offer you my sinceres apologies.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

As for the actual PC vs PS3 debate... the PS3 looks a bit worse graphically, and the framerate's terrible, probably half of that of most pc players. Not to mention the culling's worse and the fog. The PS3 is just dramatically less powerful than most PC's these days and it shows.

That said, the game is certainly very playable on PS3, but I don't think the experience is as smooth or pretty as on PC.

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The PS3 is going on 7 years old, what else do you expect?

It's preference but a lot of people can't accept that if it isn't their way it isn't any way to play a game. I am loving my time playing on PS3. Tried playing on PC but just can't get used to it but there is no way I'd judge someone for using keyboard and mouse over a controller. Also the controller feels completely different playing on a PC compared to PS3. If you have only tried the controller on PC and not PS3 you still have no right to question someones efficiency at playing on PS3.

I've just got an SSD for my PS3 and the difference is remarkable and will significantly help loading times. I would go so far as to say people will never know I was on PS3 unless they are themselves. People are certainly surprised if I mention it in a dungeon. The graphics aren't great but how in any way is that a hindrance to anyone playing on PC? Just some cheap shot to be better I guess.

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Originally Posted by TokyieRage

I play on PS3. I never get hit by ANYTHING in Titan, I silence High Voltage every time, Am on my 4th relic, Rarely ever lag, and do FATEs perfectly fine.

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You are a liar. I played on 2 ps3's and the loading sucks. Especially if I play for long hours. Sometimes when I do CM speed run the last boss vanishes...

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Originally Posted by Genjisamurai

You are a liar. I played on 2 ps3's and the loading sucks. Especially if I play for long hours. Sometimes when I do CM speed run the last boss vanishes...

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What? This has literally never happened to me or any of my friends that play on PS3. This is a personal problem.

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Originally Posted by LordWyrme

Tanking, healing, dps, instances, primals, everything can be done on a controller at least as good as on a keyboard and mouse.

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I had a good chuckle.

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

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Originally Posted by LordWyrme

There is literally nothing in this game class or quest that is too hard to do on a PS3 controller. Tanking, healing, dps, instances, primals, everything can be done on a controller at least as good as on a keyboard and mouse. Except chatting lol, that takes a little extra effort.

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I had a good chuckle.

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Indeed, is funny cause is true!

I was at an utter loss when my 3rd party controller broke a few days ago and I had to finish the rest of a CM run with mouse/keyboard. We made it through okay, but I was definitely less effective. Then a friend sent me drivers that let me use my PS3 controller that didn't involve motion in joy (long story, I don't like MIJ), I was so happy to be back on a controller again.

I've never felt like I was too slow getting a heal to someone. In most cases, the tank should be the primary one that needs most of the healing. Accidents happen, of course, but all I do is keep the hard lock on one of the tanks, and arrange my party member list so that both tanks are right next to eachother, and subtarget others for heals (it automatically snaps back to the hard lock'd party member after every subtarget cast). I've never felt too slow targeting a party member for heals.

(Personally, graphics, loading time, and 720p's crowded UI size are all differences between PC and PS3, but neither of those really affect gameplay except whiney impatient speedrunners)

I play on pc, but use wireless xbox controller.

I dodge everything, whilst my keyboard/mouse counterparts do not.

Have no problem running my skill chains either as positioning is far easier on controller.

sorry but this game plays for controllers.

also: ps3 is no different, esp with an ssd.

I don't hate players who play on PS3 but I hate the hardware itself. The PS3 is the reason why many things in FFXIV has been limited. The game could be better without the PS3 version.

And the PS3 players are supporting the PS3 version. that might be the reason why people hate PS3 players.

i play on ps3 with a group of rl friends who all play on PC, i have yet to have a single complaint about my gameplay that can be attributed to the platform i use. in DF groups i have never even had someone ask me what system i am on

it is 100% the player and not the system. the game really does feel like its been optimized for controller use. the first few days the game was out i tinkered around with using a keyboard/mouse(ps3's can do that derp) but still preferred my gamepad because pointing and clicking seemed way outdated and abysmally non-proficient in ffxiv's fast paced combat. sorry but the PC elitists need to find a new tree to bark up, because as time moves on im afraid it will turn out that PC gamers are at the disadvantage, especially once ps4 comes out.

the only thing PC'ers have right now is the edge when comes to overall MMO experience. good mmo's are few and far between for consoles and for many ps3 players this is their first MMO

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Originally Posted by TokyieRage

Stop. It is stupidly ignorant.

I play on PS3. I never get hit by ANYTHING in Titan, I silence High Voltage every time, Am on my 4th relic, Rarely ever lag, and do FATEs perfectly fine.

Its a stupid elitist issue, PC players obviously havent played on ps3 so they dont know what they are talking about when they say the problem is always ps3 players.

Literally the ONLY difference is graphics and that has very little affect on gameplay.

If you don't like the graphics on PS3, get a PS4. But every titan fight I see PC players get hit by Plumes and Landslide, etc Way more Then I do as a PS3 Player.

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Wait till pvp comes out then youll regret not playing on PC or using a Keyboard/Mouse

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Originally Posted by Ceelo_Mage

Wait till pvp comes out then youll regret not playing on PC or using a Keyboard/Mouse

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I'd believe this line if DCUO didn't exist on the PS3 (yes, I played it, even got to level 30 which is still max level I believe). It's even more twitchy than XIV and that's saying something. The whole point of DCUO's endgame is PvP, with the whole of the powersets balanced for it over the game's PvE elements. XIV on PS3 will be every bit as able in PvP, I have no doubt. Oh, before anyone asks, no, I never did take part in DCUO's PvP. I hate PvP in MMOs, why would I want to subject myself to something I hate?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I don't hate players who play on PS3 but I hate the hardware itself. The PS3 is the reason why many things in FFXIV has been limited. The game could be better without the PS3 version.

And the PS3 players are supporting the PS3 version. that might be the reason why people hate PS3 players.

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Could you possibly post some sources of what was limited by the PS3?
If not Sources or it didn't happen.

The skillcap is not high enough in this game to make PS3 users not able to compete. It is by design made so both platforms can perform well and besides who cares why someone is bad and especially before you have even tried the fight? You can't know until you see them play regardless of what platform they play on.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Indeed, is funny cause is true!

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It's not true at all. If you think a controller is AS good as mouse and keyboard, you're on drugs. Is it adequate? Sure, but go saying it's as good, and I will have a good chuckle.
Your post gave me a good chuckle as well.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

Could you possibly post some sources of what was limited by the PS3?
If not Sources or it didn't happen.

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Graphics for one. It's bad enough when eye candy is limited to take into account people on toasters, but then you got cross platform on a 7 year old console that cant even manage 720p, and and has to do it at 30fps, with other settings equivalent to low on PC.
The skill delay I'll bet is because of designing around the PS3. There's no other possible excuse for the horrible, clunky skill delay.
And have you ever noticed how PS3 players move? The look like they're keyboard turning, with the analog stick.
Sources not needed btw. Simple facts.

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Originally Posted by alhandra

the movement thing is as simple as them changing their settings from legacy to standard. standard they will move and strafe more like a pc using wasd, on legecy its more like moving with the arrow keys

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Um..there is no difference what so ever between WSAD vs arrow keys except for the location on the keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Sixmp

Do you work for SE? Sorry if ignore you as a source.
You can use mouse and keyboard on PS3, i am sure you know of this. You can move just like a PC player.
Unless you can come up with something other than hear say evidence then don't bother. I have seen all the bedroom expert guesswork before.

Yes the PS3 has limitations but it doesn't mean it will effect the PC version of the game to a degree where it will make the game any less fun.
It is just the usual PC is the best rubbish.

Yes PCs are capable of upgrade, yes they have the better graphics and yes they have the substandard coding that goes into the games.
You see the simple fact is this. PC tech moves so fast that most games are thrown out far from running as well as they should be. That is ok though because people will just spend more money on upgrading their PC to compensate and patches will be thrown out for any game breaking problems.

Consoles on the other hand get well optimized games which tend to get the most of the hardware available. As the console ages the coders get so good at optimization that they end up being able to get far more out of the hardware than anyone ever did when it was top spec for PC.

Which means despite the PS3s obvious lack of power it isn't as much of a problem as everyone seems to think it is.

Also how was the eye candy limited for PC because of the PS3? I see the PS3 version of the game everyday. Yes it is far from PC standard (which i see everyday as well) but most of the effects on the PS3 are on the PCs higher settings, shadows and that sort of thing.

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This is so full of ignorance it's sad.
Every single game that's available on both PC and console, is better on PC. There is no " substandard coding", or at least no more so than the original it's ported from. And when it's originally on PC and ported to console... the PC version is still the best.
The Witcher 2, BF3, Batman AA/AC, Skyrim..you name it, they're better on PC.
Please...go learn a thing or two before typing such misinformed rubbish....
Every game that's "rushed out" is not the fault of " substandard coding" or whatever other hyperbole you want to throw around. That's the fault of publishers. A)It's nothing a patch doesn't fix and B) the console version of a bad launch is always victim as well.
And I don't need to "work for SE". There is no debate, these are objective facts.
You ask how the PS3 effects the PC version. It's simple. It's called a base line. Imagine if the baseline didn't use low end pc's and ps3 for a frame of reference for low settings. What would" low" settings be? What if developers were able to do WHATEVER they wanted using 7870/gtx660 as a min? It would be a higher quality baseline.
But a large chunk of people don't know wtf they're doing, have a piece of crap PC that's little more than a HTPC with a low end GPU in it and expect dev's to revolve the game around their ignorance and pc illiteracy. I can't count the forum threads I've seen with illiterates using a $25 gpu wondering why a game is a slide show. I mean...come on. And developers sadly CATER to these nimrods so it "runs on a wide range of hardware".

The PS3 is running FF14 at a resolution that doesn't even amount to 720p ( it's a squashed mangled almost but not quiet 720p), at 30fps, missing anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, along with shorter draw distance, lower resolution textures, more simplistic meshes, no ambient occlusion and long load times.
In short, roughly the same as low settings on PC.

You sir, are one of those not too tech savy types, that can't be bothered to learn a thing or two about pc hardware, are unable to manage simple problems and find consoles safe, simple and adequate. Fine, great, but you're taking it a step further being totally uninformed, uneducated and comfortable in your own little world arguing what I say.
There is no " optimized" console version of a game. You're living in a dream world. I have many popular modern games that are available for both console and PC, that run flawlessly on my PC. Not only flawlessly, but making the console version look terrible.

The next gen consoles will bridge the gap for a couple years, but we'll be back here again.

Im not even gonna bother responding to the below posts. I already pointed out the existence of a game that gets ported FROM console to PC.
In either case, it's better on PC. It's hilarious you argue it, and I havnt seen this " unoptimized code" you speak of in years. Again, not any more so than it is on console. It is what it is, it's NEVER better on console. Even when GTA4 ran like crap, it was light years better than the horribad low fps,low draw distance stutter fest that was the console version.

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

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the movement thing is as simple as them changing their settings from legacy to standard. standard they will move and strafe more like a pc using wasd, on legecy its more like moving with the arrow keys

which just furthers my point, its all about setting the right ui, filters, and movement, all of which is based on preference and playstyle. i have my game so fine tuned that there would be absolutely no way for someone to tell if i was ps3 unless they themselves were on ps3 and inspected me to see my gamer tag.

the default setting on this game are horrible, if someone is using them they will be hampered. maybe ill make a guide on how to optimize your game for ps3 it seems like alot of people really dont get it

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

It's even more twitchy than XIV and that's saying something.

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XIV is twitchy?

My response to the thread was the game is built with such slow combat, it can obviously be played on both platforms.

What kind of mouth breathing, basement dwelling crap is this? lol PCs are "elite", but not elite enough to keep me from taking mobs, getting fate golds, etc. Superior, right...

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

Graphics for one. It's bad enough when eye candy is limited to take into account people on toasters, but then you got cross platform on a 7 year old console that cant even manage 720p, and and has to do it at 30fps, with other settings equivalent to low on PC.
The skill delay I'll bet is because of designing around the PS3. There's no other possible excuse for the horrible, clunky skill delay.
And have you ever noticed how PS3 players move? The look like they're keyboard turning, with the analog stick.
Sources not needed btw. Simple facts.

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Do you work for SE? Sorry if ignore you as a source.
You can use mouse and keyboard on PS3, i am sure you know of this. You can move just like a PC player.
Unless you can come up with something other than hear say evidence then don't bother. I have seen all the bedroom expert guesswork before.

Yes the PS3 has limitations but it doesn't mean it will effect the PC version of the game to a degree where it will make the game any less fun.
It is just the usual PC is the best rubbish.

Yes PCs are capable of upgrade, yes they have the better graphics and yes they have the substandard coding that goes into the games.
You see the simple fact is this. PC tech moves so fast that most games are thrown out far from running as well as they should be. That is ok though because people will just spend more money on upgrading their PC to compensate and patches will be thrown out for any game breaking problems.

Consoles on the other hand get well optimized games which tend to get the most of the hardware available. As the console ages the coders get so good at optimization that they end up being able to get far more out of the hardware than anyone ever did when it was top spec for PC.

Which means despite the PS3s obvious lack of power it isn't as much of a problem as everyone seems to think it is.

Also how was the eye candy limited for PC because of the PS3? I see the PS3 version of the game everyday. Yes it is far from PC standard (which i see everyday as well) but most of the effects on the PS3 are on the PCs higher settings, shadows and that sort of thing.

I, personally, welcome those who play on the PS3 and on PC.

I welcome players on all platforms. I wont be surprised if the PS3 player base is larger than the PC player base in this game. Especially in Japan.

To be fair, if your PC is optimized to run this game then its fine, but if you're on a laptop and can't upgrade, the performance might be an issue if its an old model.

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

It's not true at all. If you think a controller is AS good as mouse and keyboard, you're on drugs. Is it adequate? Sure, but go saying it's as good, and I will have a good chuckle.
Your post gave me a good chuckle as well.


This is so full of ignorance it's sad.
Every single game that's available on both PC and console, is better on PC. There is no " substandard coding", or at least no more so than the original it's ported from. And when it's originally on PC and ported to console... the PC version is still the best.

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You're assuming this is a PC game which was ported over to consoles, and that isn't correct. This game was DEVELOPED for PS3, and PORTED to PC. The game has been designed and tested to be 100% playable by console players.

The only advantage PC has over PS3 is the graphics are higher, which has zero affect on the effectiveness of the player.

I'm a PC player who uses a controller, guess I can kiss any thoughts about end-game raiding goodbye... oh wait... (currently on Turn 4 in Coils)

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

This is so full of ignorance it's sad.
Every single game that's available on both PC and console, is better on PC. There is no " substandard coding", or at least no more so than the original it's ported from. And when it's originally on PC and ported to console... the PC version is still the best.
The Witcher 2, BF3, Batman AA/AC, Skyrim..you name it, they're better on PC.
Please...go learn a thing or two before typing such misinformed rubbish....
Every game that's "rushed out" is not the fault of " substandard coding" or whatever other hyperbole you want to throw around. That's the fault of publishers. A)It's nothing a patch doesn't fix and B) the console version of a bad launch is always victim as well.
And I don't need to "work for SE". There is no debate, these are objective facts.
You ask how the PS3 effects the PC version. It's simple. It's called a base line. Imagine if the baseline didn't use low end pc's and ps3 for a frame of reference for low settings. What would" low" settings be? What if developers were able to do WHATEVER they wanted using 7870/gtx660 as a min? It would be a higher quality baseline.
But a large chunk of people don't know wtf they're doing, have a piece of crap PC that's little more than a HTPC with a low end GPU in it and expect dev's to revolve the game around their ignorance and pc illiteracy. I can't count the forum threads I've seen with illiterates using a $25 gpu wondering why a game is a slide show. I mean...come on. And developers sadly CATER to these nimrods so it "runs on a wide range of hardware".

The PS3 is running FF14 at a resolution that doesn't even amount to 720p ( it's a squashed mangled almost but not quiet 720p), at 30fps, missing anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, along with shorter draw distance, lower resolution textures, more simplistic meshes, no ambient occlusion and long load times.
In short, roughly the same as low settings on PC.

You sir, are one of those not too tech savy types, that can't be bothered to learn a thing or two about pc hardware, are unable to manage simple problems and find consoles safe, simple and adequate. Fine, great, but you're taking it a step further being totally uninformed, uneducated and comfortable in your own little world arguing what I say.
There is no " optimized" console version of a game. You're living in a dream world. I have many popular modern games that are available for both console and PC, that run flawlessly on my PC. Not only flawlessly, but making the console version look terrible.

The next gen consoles will bridge the gap for a couple years, but we'll be back here again. .

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Using your forceful opinionated posting method does not make you correct. You think throwing around insults proves you correct? Wrong.
You completely missed my point about how consoles get "finished" games as apposed to "unfinished" games that get rushed onto PC. Yes consoles games do get patched but much less than PC.

The above points out that unfinished games run badly on anything be it PC or Console but you can get away with it more on PC which is proved time and time again by games being rushed out by publishers. The problems get corrected after launch.
It also points out that when people work with the same hardware they become better at coding for it. Therefore getting better results. Consoles are a prime example of how this works. Early games look good but the later games look much much better.
Which means as the PS3 is now 8 years old the people coding for it will be very good at optimizing games for it. IE Narrowing the gap.

I never at any point said that any console game was better graphically than a PC game. You somehow seemed to get that idea from somewhere.

Sorry yes you need to work for SE to put forward information based on their game regarding any PS3 limitations that effect the PC version of the game. As they and only they have the exact information.

The PS3 baseline as you call it while it is correct it also effects as you correctly stated PCs that are lower spec. Which in that case all the PS3 hate should automatically include them. Some how it does not... why is that?
Unfortunately in your angry state you seemed to be happy to insult not only PS3 owners but many PC owners as well.

As for my PC literacy i have been gaming on PC for the past 13 years. Build my own PCs, resolve my own problems and my PC runs well at all times.

So you are quite incorrect on many things.

Ive always been confused why PS3 can use KB+M but they didnt add in the ability to use keyboard macros.. I wouldn't think it to be so difficult to add the keyboard setting on PS3, but I dunno much about development so iunno.

PS3 only has problems when it comes into huge number of players. So cities, fates, 24 man raids will be big issues. There is a delay in actions animation display on the ps3. Its about 1-2secs.

Edit: I own both so I know my stuff. End up playing on my PC still because of the grapics, faster loading speeds in zones and can display more stuff on my screen.

The thing that really makes me chuckle is that these people who hate PS3, despise anything to do with PS3 players etc and moan time and time again about PS3 limitations will never ever have a PC only version of this game! That really makes me happy because for once they do not get what they want. You want to know why you will never get what you want? The vast majority of Japanese players and a significant amount of EU/NA players are playing on PS3. Considering the Japanese are their core market they will never let them down.

If you need proof, they released the latest FFXI expansion on PS2 in Japan. Moan all you like but it wont make one bit of a difference and if you go so far as to exclude PS3 players then you are missing out on a lot of great players who can do just as good, if not better than you or anyone else in your FC. Thank god for excluding people to be honest, I doubt many here would want to play along side you anyway.

elitists are funny = D next thing you know I wont be getting into groups because of what brand of toilet paper my Lalafell chooses to wipe her bum-bum with =)

If the PS3/4 allows it, there's always this bad boy..
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/...Controller.jpg

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Originally Posted by Kyriea

The thing that really makes me chuckle is that these people who hate PS3, despise anything to do with PS3 players etc and moan time and time again about PS3 limitations will never ever have a PC only version of this game! That really makes me happy because for once they do not get what they want. You want to know why you will never get what you want? The vast majority of Japanese players and a significant amount of EU/NA players are playing on PS3. Considering the Japanese are their core market they will never let them down.

If you need proof, they released the latest FFXI expansion on PS2 in Japan. Moan all you like but it wont make one bit of a difference and if you go so far as to exclude PS3 players then....

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Yeah, they can't do anything to the PS3 version but they're doing it to the PS3 players instead.

http://img2u.info/ckgni/i/g021fc787.jpg

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Originally Posted by PerrythePlatypus

It's not true at all. If you think a controller is AS good as mouse and keyboard, you're on drugs. Is it adequate? Sure, but go saying it's as good, and I will have a good chuckle.
Your post gave me a good chuckle as well.

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LOL you egotistical kids are so funny, so translation: "look, i can't play properly on a controller so you're on drugs for thinking something i fail to use correctly is better then something i am used to and less complicated for me"

Get over your self kid, the person on drugs is you, if you can't learn to use something does not make it "bad" mouse and KB are in no way shape or form "better" then a PS3 controller just because "you say so" it's only better for you because you lack the ability to know how to use a controller properly. this is a fact, deal with hit, accept it, live with it. you can give me that "waaaaaaaah but i said it's better so it is!" all you want, won't change it.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Yeah, they can't do anything to the PS3 version but they're doing it to the PS3 players instead.

http://img2u.info/ckgni/i/g021fc787.jpg

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Lol 2 things in that shout make it very clear I wouldn't want to spend my time with them anyway. Firstly the obvious "NO PS3 ALLOWED" and second of all the "RELIX ONRY". Judging by that spelling and ignorance he must be very young and immature. There are enough Castrum shouts to ignore people like that or at least on my server anyway.

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Originally Posted by Volcano

LOL you egotistical kids are so funny, so translation: "look, i can't play properly on a controller so you're on drugs for thinking something i fail to use correctly is better then something i am used to and less complicated for me"

Get over your self kid, the person on drugs is you, if you can't learn to use something does not make it "bad" mouse and KB are in no way shape or form "better" then a PS3 controller just because "you say so" it's only better for you because you lack the ability to know how to use a controller properly. this is a fact, deal with hit, accept it, live with it. you can give me that "waaaaaaaah but i said it's better so it is!" all you want, won't change it.

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That's like saying "Walking is only better because you don't know how to use crutches well." Sure, moving from point a to point b with crutches is fine if that's what you have to do, but walking will always be better.

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Originally Posted by Kiokin

That's like saying "Walking is only better because you don't know how to use crutches well." Sure, moving from point a to point b with crutches is fine if that's what you have to do, but walking will always be better.

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Horrible example, and you should feel bad for it, due to the fact that its not the same thing. Try again.