Shield Swipe, is it even on your bar anymore?

It is very useful on long fight or when you know WHM medica spamming won't catch up to your threat level.
Use it for the extra damage/threat so you can keep spamming your 1-2-3 combos throughout the fight.

I think the real question is, why would you not use shield swipe on CD. It has the highest DPS of any abilities in the game (RoH chain has an average DPS of around 205, RB chain is lower) that isn't on a CD. I use it every time I can.

Yeah...once I built enough hate that I don't have to worry about wasting a GCD, I use Shield Swipe whenever it activates cause it's the highest DPS move for PLD on his own. It doesn't interrupt your combo, so there is no reason to not use in between. Especially on things like ADS, or Caduceus, Dreadnought etc...you want the PLD to maximize his DPS on those fights as well.

The only thing now is...Shield Swipe has to be off GCD. Cause making it a proc ability and being on GCD is just stupid...

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

Yeah...once I built enough hate that I don't have to worry about wasting a GCD, I use Shield Swipe whenever it activates cause it's the highest DPS move for PLD on his own. It doesn't interrupt your combo, so there is no reason to not use in between. Especially on things like ADS, or Caduceus, Dreadnought etc...you want the PLD to maximize his DPS on those fights as well.

The only thing now is...Shield Swipe has to be off GCD. Cause making it a proc ability and being on GCD is just stupid...

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So, you admit that is extra-powerful and the highest stand-alone dps ability available to you, but then you want it to be MORE powerful by taking it off the GCD and not forcing you to consider whether or not its worth using at the time? I know I might seem like a contrarian but, jeeze, the sense of Pally entitlement is ridiculous around here! With how great our mitigation is, and how faceroll our tanking abilities are, we should be happy we get anything 1/2 as good as CoS, SW, Shield Swipe, or Shield Bash.

That being said - to answer the OP, I have it off my bar because I play on PS3. At lvl 50 I find the 16 button bar very very constricting, and I had to make some comprises. I had it on my bar until level 46 or so though.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

So, you admit that is extra-powerful and the highest stand-alone dps ability available to you, but then you want it to be MORE powerful by taking it off the GCD and not forcing you to consider whether or not its worth using at the time? I know I might seem like a contrarian but, jeeze, the sense of Pally entitlement is ridiculous around here! With how great our mitigation is, and how faceroll our tanking abilities are, we should be happy we get anything 1/2 as good as CoS, SW, Shield Swipe, or Shield Bash.

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The timing of availability is only slightly longer than the GCD making it annoying to use when it is available.

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That being said - to answer the OP, I have it off my bar because I play on PS3. At lvl 50 I find the 16 button bar very very constricting, and I had to make some comprises. I had it on my bar until level 46 or so though.

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I use an xbox controller on PC, and feel the same way.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

Shield Swipe does not have a stun/interrupt effect, that is Shield Bash.

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It requires luck and timing but if the mob is not immune to Pacification (most bosses are), you can use the effect when a red is dropped and the red won't happen when it should. I've also "interrupted" that doom aura with Shield Swipe.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

And then SE would give it a long natural cooldown instead like those abilities to compensate - and as you can only use it anyway after blocking an attack with your shield, it would forever be getting wasted simply because the block parameter would be satisfied but the ability itself would still be on cooldown. Really though, I'm happy how it is, and yes, it's very useful when you can use it.

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I'd be happy with it on a 5,10,15 second cooldown off the GCD. I'd bury it in my RoHalone macro probably.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

I think the real question is, why would you not use shield swipe on CD. It has the highest DPS of any abilities in the game (RoH chain has an average DPS of around 205, RB chain is lower) that isn't on a CD. I use it every time I can.

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It's fine for dps. The problem is that Shield Swipe has no Enmity bonus to it, so if you use too many of them you'll be generating a LOT less threat than a paladin who just does the standard Fast/Savage/Halone combo. It does less than half the threat of a combo'd Savage Blade.

It's plenty fine for soloing and DPS, but if you use it too much when tanking without watching the threat meter you're going to struggle on threat against well geared DPS. You should only use it when tanking for either a.) the pacification effect or b.) conserving TP on long boss fights.

i find shield swipe amazing for trash pulls/disabling mobs + mitigating damage totally.

on bosses it's added damage when hate is not an issue. i use it religiously, but then again im only 35

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Originally Posted by Steeled

It requires luck and timing but if the mob is not immune to Pacification (most bosses are), you can use the effect when a red is dropped and the red won't happen when it should. I've also "interrupted" that doom aura with Shield Swipe.

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What this guy said. It's nice for that but again with Boss Immunities =( doesn't see much use.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

So, you admit that is extra-powerful and the highest stand-alone dps ability available to you, but then you want it to be MORE powerful by taking it off the GCD and not forcing you to consider whether or not its worth using at the time? I know I might seem like a contrarian but, jeeze, the sense of Pally entitlement is ridiculous around here! With how great our mitigation is, and how faceroll our tanking abilities are, we should be happy we get anything 1/2 as good as CoS, SW, Shield Swipe, or Shield Bash.

That being said - to answer the OP, I have it off my bar because I play on PS3. At lvl 50 I find the 16 button bar very very constricting, and I had to make some comprises. I had it on my bar until level 46 or so though.

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If they take it off from GCD, they should give it a regular cooldown to re-use, just like Spirits Within and Circle of Scorn. That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, it can proc right when you used a GCD, and if you don't use Shield Swipe on your next action(and a lot of times that's just a bad decision), the proc will be gone before the 2nd GCD is ready. So basically you can't just use it when it procced, the proc has to come at a convenient timing, otherwise it's wasted. I wouldn't mind a 20-30sec CD on Shield Swipe, just take it off the GCD...cause that's just stupid. Same goes with Shield Bash...take it off GCD, but give it a CD of like 20-30sec...problem solved.

They are actions that are supposed to be situational and used on short-notice...but if you're limited by the design of the game of GCDs and off-GCDs it makes them frustrating. If I have to hold off for 2-3 seconds on doing anything, just so I can hit Shield Bash for the Stun I want/need at that moment, that's bad design, not "skillful play". Best example Ifrit...trivial fight, don't even have to stun any shit really...but when I MT and Stun him by myself, which basically is all the time, it's just dumb I have to stand there and waste seconds doing nothing, just so I can make sure Shield Bash is not on GCD when I need to use it. It's just 3-4seconds top...but still it's a stupid design choice.

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Originally Posted by Steeled

It requires luck and timing but if the mob is not immune to Pacification (most bosses are), you can use the effect when a red is dropped and the red won't happen when it should. I've also "interrupted" that doom aura with Shield Swipe.

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I have literally never seen the pacification cancel a cast that was already in progress. It prevents *new* casts, but if it can act like an interrupt, it seems to be incredibly rare.