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    Shield Swipe, is it even on your bar anymore?

    I thought this skill was pretty decent at first. But now it seems like the only reason you would want to use it is for the Pacify effect, but almost all bosses are immune to this, and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference on trash.

    I dunno, I've removed it from my bar, if it was off GCD that would be a different story, but I'm not going to use a GCD and interrupt my Fast>Savage>Rage combo for pacify.

    Edit: Some good points on the TP conservation aspect of it.

    Thanks for the updates on how pacify effects skillcasts everyone, definitely was not noticeable until it was pointed out, haha.
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    Last edited by Sephirah; 10-01-2013 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephirah View Post
    I thought this skill was pretty decent at first. But now it seems like the only reason you would want to use it is for the Pacify effect, but almost all bosses are immune to this, and it doesn't seem to make much of a difference on trash.

    I dunno, I've removed it from my bar, if it was off GCD that would be a different story, but I'm not going to use a GCD and interrupt my Fast>Savage>Rage combo for pacify.
    It's on a bar somewhere but not on my main two hotbars. I don't think I've used it outside the first few levels I had it.
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    Delenia Forcentis
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    It's still on my main hotbar. I use it for Paladin DPS now lol. Use Shield Swipe in long, drawn out fights where you know you have all the aggro (ie. Ifrit HM main tank).
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    Shield Swipe is definitely very good on longer encounters to weave in every so often, as it provides a reasonable amoutn of damage/threat for a measly 40 TP.

    Don't underestimate the pacification effect though, it DOES reduce damage intake on you if you occasionally throw it out on mobs when tanking AOE packs and such, and you can use it like a ghetto interrupt at times. I don't think I'd -miss- shield swipe if it got removed, but it's certainly worth being on the bars.... albeit not in a key spot that a more regularly-used skill could occupy.
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    I used it to interrupt the Tera a lvl 35 dungeon during his doom casting. Shield swipe will aways be useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeanConstant View Post
    I used it to interrupt the Tera a lvl 35 dungeon during his doom casting. Shield swipe will aways be useful.
    Shield Swipe does not have a stun/interrupt effect, that is Shield Bash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sephirah View Post
    Shield Swipe does not have a stun/interrupt effect, that is Shield Bash.
    True however the pacify will nullify the weapon skill that is being cast. For example: Mob starts to cast X skill, apply pacify, X skill will do nothing when it goes off.

    Assuming there aren't mobs immune to this somewhere out there. To my knowledge, limited as it may be, this works one everything I've encountered.
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    I still say it should be off the GCD like spirits within and circle of scorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    I still say it should be off the GCD like spirits within and circle of scorn.
    And then SE would give it a long natural cooldown instead like those abilities to compensate - and as you can only use it anyway after blocking an attack with your shield, it would forever be getting wasted simply because the block parameter would be satisfied but the ability itself would still be on cooldown. Really though, I'm happy how it is, and yes, it's very useful when you can use it.
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    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    And then SE would give it a long natural cooldown instead like those abilities to compensate
    A long cooldown wouldn't make much sense seeing that it's nowhere near the potency of Spirits Within, its utility is less pronounced (pacification is subject to diminishing returns), and spamming it is not that useful due to only having Shield Oath's threat modifier to go on without the benefit of being an extra attack to weave in (the way Spirits and Circle of Scorn are). If asked to put a cooldown on it, I'd go for something like 6-12 seconds. 15 seconds at the most. Personally I'd go with no cooldown simply because shield blocks on their own act as a soft cooldown on the ability.
    it would forever be getting wasted simply because the block parameter would be satisfied but the ability itself would still be on cooldown. Really though, I'm happy how it is, and yes, it's very useful when you can use it.
    Shield Swipe's icon becomes functional within 5 seconds of the block itself happening, so it is already getting wasted outside of moments where your block and GCD coincide with something like a Dullahan's Iron Justice attack.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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