This is why we need jumping/falling system in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

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Jumping. Does. Not. Add. Immersion. To. A. Game. Not. Designed. To. Be. Explored. Via. Jumping.

If there are caves or tunnels or dungeons we already progress through more layers than just the "x plane". Adding jump won't instantly open up a brand new world. Even in Mario games there's limitations to where you can explore.

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If you build new areas that allow you to jump around, then it would add immersion, like some action mmorpgs (tera XD), I used to be anti jump because of people retardly jumping around but i doubt we'll get that here

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

This. Doesn't. Change. The. Fact. The. Collision. In. This. "Game". Is. Retarded.

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Yeah. Looking at 13, I somehow don't think the Crystal Tools engine was made with collision as its main focus.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Yeah. Looking at 13, I somehow don't think the Crystal Tools engine was made with collision as its main focus.

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I agree, but then again i don't think the crystal tools engine was built with games as its main focus either. Should of just stuck to cinematics..

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Yeah. Looking at 13, I somehow don't think the Crystal Tools engine was made with collision as its main focus.

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CT was mainly designed as a cinematic engine and to implement seamless transitions from cutscene to gameplay.

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If you build new areas that allow you to jump around, then it would add immersion, like some action mmorpgs (tera XD), I used to be anti jump because of people retardly jumping around but i doubt we'll get that here

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That's severe design clashing. Starter areas = Nothing to explore via jumping. New Areas = requires jumping to fully explore. It has to be pretty universal since take the Ys games for example, almost every area in the PC games at least you need the jump or double jump ability to fully explore, not just one or two areas. The entire game has to make use of a mechanic or it would just be a design clash.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Why doesn't it? I like to have some kind of relationship with the environment. Not just walking and running... Seriously

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The current maps are only explorable where we "see". There is nothing beyond it to be explored if we start jumping over mountains.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

CT was mainly designed as a cinematic engine and to implement seamless transitions from cutscene to gameplay.



That's severe design clashing. Starter areas = Nothing to explore via jumping. New Areas = requires jumping to fully explore. It has to be pretty universal since take the Ys games for example, almost every area in the PC games at least you need the jump or double jump ability to fully explore, not just one or two areas. The entire game has to make use of a mechanic or it would just be a design clash.

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Go into as much detail as you like but the collision still sucks and the game would be better if you could jump.

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

Go into as much detail as you like, collision still sucks and the game would be better if you could jump.

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Collision sucks but jumping won't auto-solve it, as there's a "dome" over certain terrains so you can jump but you'll still hit in an invisible barrier unless they completely remove all detection.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Collision sucks but jumping won't auto-solve it, as there's a "dome" over certain terrains so you can jump but you'll still hit in an invisible barrier unless they completely remove all detection.

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You're right. It was a *** from the design stage to not have a proper solution, just like the rest of the game.

ppl were constantly *** about small ledges they can't pass, now ppl *** that they are able to walk over small ledges.
i didn't care wasting 2-4 secs more of my life finding another way to get across a small ledge.
noone but the players themself are to blame now.

Heya!

Tsk... Come on, I bet the 70% of people will use this Jumping system only to do this =)

Anyway, I'd like a Jumping system like the one of Final Fantasy XIII, where you can jump through obstacles or voids of terrain.

See ya!

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

You're right. It was a fuck-up from the design stage to not have a proper solution, just like the rest of the game.

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So much truth.

it doesn't help that every map is full of random little hills, bumps, and cliffs that you can't walk up or fall off of.