Devs why the PvP changes, again? Can we get a reply?

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Originally Posted by Pidgeon

I'm more thinking that games will be faster as weaker teams are now punished much quicker when giving teams an early battle high advantage/losing the first few engagements.

Whether this is what Square intended or if I'm reading into it too much I'm not sure, but I'm rather hoping they provide an explanation with the 7.2 notes proper.

I don't know if this will make it easier to follow for those reading this later, but if a player purely assisted and had 0 KOs.



Pre 7.2

BH 1 (10 Assists ) --> BH 5 ( 50 Assists)

Post 7.2

BH 1 ( 5 Assists ) --> BH 5 ( 25 Assists )



These are just some example numbers of Battle High distributed from 1 kill if we also assume there were 3-5 assisting players.

Pre 7.2

1 Kill = 16-20 Battle High

Post 7.2

1 Kill = 20-28 Battle High

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I don't mind faster roulette bonus

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Originally Posted by Eastwall

I don't mind faster roulette bonus

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Aha! We've found another group pleased with the changes. The rouletters!!!

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Aha! We've found another group pleased with the changes. The rouletters!!!

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Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Okay, yes I agree with you. In other words games will be even-more lopsided, which in general I think is a bad idea. The potential to get a lot of BH (and BH edge) in the first engagement is greatly increased and that just speeds the BH snowballing effect.

It's quite possible SE did this to speed up matches. If so, it's characteristic of their ass-backwards approach. The direct lever to adjust match duration is the number of points required for victory.

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That's a good point. You definitely know your team sucks when even if you're spreading damage everywhere, bursting or CCing at the proper targets, nothing just dies and you end up the game with a silver or green BH, so while it will definitely help increase whatever crumbs you get in those cases (by doubling it), it's of course going to net way bigger increases for teams that actually kill targets (multiplicative turning 20 into 40 is better than turning 4 into 8).
But I still hate the fact that the system rewards kills more than assists, because this is a team game, and securing kills is completely random unless you have strong one shot KOs like Seiton, etc.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

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Yeah that did occur to me, honey, and despite unmuting you, I doubt I'll enjoy playing on your team.

That said, I do genuinely respect the fact your prime directive is to win the match, rather than these awful padders who just want the pffft-pffft-pffft of the BH meter.

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Originally Posted by Valence

That's a good point. You definitely know your team sucks when even if you're spreading damage everywhere, bursting or CCing at the proper targets, nothing just dies and you end up the game with a silver or green BH, so while it will definitely help increase whatever crumbs you get in those cases (by doubling it), it's of course going to net way bigger increases for teams that actually kill targets (multiplicative turning 20 into 40 is better than turning 4 into 8).
But I still hate the fact that the system rewards kills more than assists, because this is a team game, and securing kills is completely random unless you have strong one shot KOs like Seiton, etc.

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One option would be to only give a K if you do >50% damage on an enemy. Everything else would be an assist.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Aha! We've found another group pleased with the changes. The rouletters!!!

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I didn't expect anything else. On the other Hand, the Rouletters are most likely the ones keeping "PvP" "alive" at the moment.
"PvP" in Final Fantasy is no longer designed for actual PvPers.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

Most the changes seem to benefit me if you want to throw that in lol.

Just adding additional back in means at least half the xiv population won’t even know they exist >.>

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Right, besides the Secure sentries giving battle high, everything they're adding seems to reward people who want to fight other players and really dig their teeth into the game. I'm all for it.
I know Revival's hosting a sync on the first day it's out. Should be a good time to test and talk about strats.

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Originally Posted by gidsonBrand

Right, besides the Secure sentries giving battle high, everything they're adding seems to reward people who want to fight other players and really dig their teeth into the game. I'm all for it.
I know Revival's hosting a sync on the first day it's out. Should be a good time to test and talk about strats.

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We’ll have to set general strats early and start expectations asap so we don’t end up just going back and fourth pointlessly for 20min

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

We’ll have to set general strats early and start expectations asap so we don’t end up just going back and fourth pointlessly for 20min

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Do let us know when they appear in your guide.