Healing Focus or DPS Focus

There really is no justification for why tank rotations are actually rotations while healers get nothing

Pick one side or the other, either tanks should be slapped by the boss so hard they are using GCD’s to cast defensives and can barely do damage or give healers similar damage options

The same “I’m a healer I want to heal” can be applied to tanks “I want to tank and hold agro not do damage” yet tanks aren’t punished for this segment of their playerbase in their design options

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

There's little chance that they go change previous fights, so trying to do 2 just seems impossible where as 1 is making a job that actually works in the current game state and fight philosophy.

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I wouldn't say 2 is fully impossible considering a hard chunk of EW had ARR content being refreshed, but yeah if the Devs chose option 2 they would have to go all in which could be an insane amount of work.

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Originally Posted by mallleable

Even better if they are built with caster mechanics that afford interactions between damage, and healing spells.

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I always thought it was kinda weird how there wasn't more Assize like abilities where DPS and healing are both a part of it. Like for example if I was playing scholar in a dungeon I would be far more tempted to place down sacred soil even if my tank was an immortal warrior if sacred soil had a shadowflare type thing going on as well even if it was really weak. It's not like this is completely erased considering Macrocosmos, earthly star and Pneuma also have DPS+Heal abilities. Like even if these were stronger in the healing section then the DPS at least having far more of these options will let you fit it into a DPS priority for healing.

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Originally Posted by Ramiee

I always thought it was kinda weird how there wasn't more Assize like abilities where DPS and healing are both a part of it. Like for example if I was playing scholar in a dungeon I would be far more tempted to place down sacred soil even if my tank was an immortal warrior if sacred soil had a shadowflare type thing going on as well even if it was really weak. It's not like this is completely erased considering Macrocosmos, earthly star and Pneuma also have DPS+Heal abilities. Like even if these were stronger in the healing section then the DPS at least having far more of these options will let you fit it into a DPS priority for healing.

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It’s because assize really isn’t that well designed, in essence you just press it on CD 99% of the time and waste the heal, there is some niche cases where you can hold another heal till assize comes off CD later but in essence you are just pressing it on CD

Pnuema and macrocosmos if not in cleave content are just functional oGCD’s

If they wanted to try to marry the two they would be better off doing something like glare gives a 15% chance to proc freecure but it also makes cure 2 an oGCD

We should get both. Either alone won't solve all the issues.

If we get more damage options alone, healers still remain optional in nearly all forms of content. But at least we're having more fun in solo content, I guess?

If we get more healing required alone, there's no way they're going to make dungeons require more healing because they don't want a healer being inept to cause a wipe, so we still don't get to have fun in dungeons. But at least we're having fun in high-end content, better hope you're doing those!

If we get both, we have a better damage kit to fall back on in boring dungeon runs and we have both a damage kit to optimise and more healing to do in high-end content.

If tanks can have DPS rotations and oCGDs I don't see why healers can't.

More dps is just the most obvious, easy solution, as they don't really have to do anything, since the current encounter design already supports it

I would like, harder healing requirements, but the devs clearly dont. It would also help making solo duties somewhat more fun.

Your focus is to heal.
If someone dies because you spent that gcd (or whatever) doing dps, then it's an overall dps loss and perhaps a wipe.

However, focusing on healing doesn't mean "shoot 3 medica everytime someone is below 100%", it just means, your priority is to heal.

If there's incoming damage and I have a doubt about wether or not my group/someone will survive, i throw something extra. (trying really hard to avoid gcd but sometime you can't).

Basically, my process for healing a fight is
- I don't know how much it's going to hurt : throw a lot of heal gcd, if I don't know how much it's going to hurt, it means we're progging, which means we're gonna wipe in less than 30s.
Close attention to group HP bars' wobble to see if people are getting low or not.
- I start to know how much it hurts : Remove gcd heal and start organising ogcd healing. More focus on spamming 11111
- Everything is planned and there's no/little overheal. 11111 spam and optimising slide casting to loose as little dps as possible (ideally 0).

Throughout the whole process, my priority stays healing. Me having 99% of my cast being Malefic just means I got better at managing my healing and have more time to do something else... so dps.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

There really is no justification for why tank rotations are actually rotations while healers get nothing

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Yeh but, according to Y.P, it could intimidate new healers who want to try the role....

Apparently 20+ healing actions induces less stress than an hypothetical 2-3 dps actions on healers...

Which also makes no sens because let say they'd add a few buttons to each healers, like 2-3.
You'd still have that "healing vs dps" dichotomie. Except that only one side would actually care.
Those who want to dps will use those new skills, and those who already barely DPS won't... which won't change anything.... someone spending half the fight not dpsing won't do better/worse by having more dps options.
If anything it could actually improve their dps... like for instance a WHM hating to DPS but willing to use the blood lilly whenever its up.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

There really is no justification for why tank rotations are actually rotations while healers get nothing

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Yeh but, according to Y.P, it could intimidate new healers who want to try the role....

Apparently 20+ healing actions induces less stress than an hypothetical 2-3 dps actions on healers...

Which also makes no sens because let say they'd add a few buttons to each healers, like 2-3.
You'd still have that "healing vs dps" dichotomie. Except that only one side would actually care.
Those who want to dps will use those new skills, and those who already barely DPS won't... which won't change anything.... someone spending half the fight not dpsing won't do better/worse by having more dps options.
If anything it could actually improve their dps... like for instance a WHM hating to DPS but willing to use the blood lilly whenever its up.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

There really is no justification for why tank rotations are actually rotations while healers get nothing

Pick one side or the other, either tanks should be slapped by the boss so hard they are using GCD’s to cast defensives and can barely do damage or give healers similar damage options

The same “I’m a healer I want to heal” can be applied to tanks “I want to tank and hold agro not do damage” yet tanks aren’t punished for this segment of their playerbase in their design options

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Not only are tanks expected to hold aggro and be wary of when to use their own defensives, they also get to assist the party if/when needed with healing and mits (specially PLD and moreso WAR), and have a handful of dps buttons to keep them engaged, all the while thinking that the average healer player can't handle half of that without getting overwhelmed.

I will never shut up about how absolutely patronizing this double standard is.

ALSO: seeing the new tank actions, only WAR seems to be getting some sort of defensive shield, while the other 3 get even more damage skills! exactly what they (don't) need!