Data from lucky bancho about participation in field content

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Well they only really listen to the JP playerbase so maybe they didn't care for it?

Personally I think Bozja is some of the best content this game has ever seen, and the lack of an equivalent is a big reason Endwalker sucks

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JP liked Eureka and Bozja far more than NA. Can't be bothered to dig through history to show this though but there was a poll comparison done back then.

I really don't know why you guys all think it's due to perceived low popularity. I don't think they have literally ever said that they aren't doing field content because people disliked it.

It's far more likely the final push to get FF16 done robbed FF14 of field content, and 7.x would very likely not have it either since they see that they can get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Also, people doing content doesn't mean they like it. If you weren't around during eureka, the forums were mostly full of complaint that the relic was tied to it. People hated Pagos.

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Lmao, as if IS was any better. IS was worse than being hated, IS is so forgettable and pointless that people can't even bring themselves to hate it. After all, who really cares about a 5-minute-a-week set-and-forget spreadsheet simulator?

Island Sanctuary could honestly be fixed if they just made it fullblown instanced housing on top of what it already is.

The fact it wasn't that, and there are no plans to make it that are hilariously tone deaf. It really needed to be more of a customizable area, and less of a rightclick simulator.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Island Sanctuary could honestly be fixed if they just made it fullblown instanced housing on top of what it already is.

The fact it wasn't that, and there are no plans to make it that are hilariously tone deaf.

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IMO, that wouldn't fix Island Sanctuary, at least not in the way I envision. All it would do is drive participation through the roof in a still fairly dull and empty experience.

Island Sanctuary's biggest issue is that it decided to use extremely watered-down crafting and gathering, instead of being something even a little more substantive, and just overall very barebones, e.g., could use treasure maps to get additional loot, or even to get more animals, instead of them being something you exclusively capture. The gathering could also incorporate more rarities, perhaps timed/special nodes, and you could potentially have some form of a sightseeing log, and attach paintings to it or whatever,

Heck, you could also add some form of combat to it. The game is literally immune to incorporating multiple systems together - This will always be single-handedly the biggest issue with the game.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Island Sanctuary's biggest issue is that it decided to use extremely watered-down crafting and gathering, instead of being something even a little more substantive, and just overall very barebones, e.g., could use treasure maps to get additional loot, or even to get more animals, instead of them being something you exclusively capture. The gathering could also incorporate more rarities, perhaps timed/special nodes, and you could potentially have some form of a sightseeing log, and attach paintings to it or whatever,

Heck, you could also add some form of combat to it. The game is literally immune to incorporating multiple systems together - This will always be single-handedly the biggest issue with the game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If you weren't around during eureka, the forums were mostly full of complaint that the relic was tied to it. People hated Pagos.

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hating pagos is natural, that zone was nothing but a chore.

But remember, the forums make up around 0.0001% of players in the game, so even if every single post was a complaint, it's still only a minute fraction of the playerbase that actually complain. Everyone else is just playing the game.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

The mandragora mount is a bad example.



He changed it to the bike which is closer to 32%.


Also, people doing content doesn't mean they like it. If you weren't around during eureka, the forums were mostly full of complaint that the relic was tied to it. People hated Pagos.

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Pagos was the general outlier because the dev team actively tried forcing a playstyle people didn't like by killing off the NM train and making spawns require an absurd about of chaining boring trash mobs. Anemos, Pyros and Hydatos were all significantly better received.

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Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE

hating pagos is natural, that zone was nothing but a chore.

But remember, the forums make up around 0.0001% of players in the game, so even if every single post was a complaint, it's still only a minute fraction of the playerbase that actually complain. Everyone else is just playing the game.

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I mean, people were also complaining in game, in the content itself.



Plus, so much of Eureka was people standing to the side while smaller groups did all the work to spawn things.


Of course those people enjoyed the content, they were social the whole time and just let others do the work.

We all know pagos was poorly received, the fact that 20% of people in the game still pushed to BA shows the content had good retention in spite of pagos

Regardless I don’t think it’s fair to judge all of eureka based on pagos but criticising launch pagos is totally fair because we don’t want a repeat of it

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

We all know pagos was poorly received, the fact that 20% of people in the game still pushed to BA shows the content had good retention in spite of pagos

Regardless I don’t think it’s fair to judge all of eureka based on pagos but criticising launch pagos is totally fair because we don’t want a repeat of it

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By that metric IS is good content, because despite all the criticism, similar numbers of people have mounts gained from max rank.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Pagos was the general outlier because the dev team actively tried forcing a playstyle people didn't like by killing off the NM train and making spawns require an absurd about of chaining boring trash mobs. Anemos, Pyros and Hydatos were all significantly better received.

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hydatos is the worst zone now in 2023, it takes like 40 NMs or some crap for the hydatos relic step and the zone only has 10, pyros is the best

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

By that metric IS is good content, because despite all the criticism, similar numbers of people have mounts gained from max rank.

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5-minute-per-week content has similar clear rates to actual grind zones? that is a complete self-own lmao