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    Data from lucky bancho about participation in field content

    https://imgur.com/26zozfz

    Now this data is not mine (all credit goes to reddit user krainz) but this gives an overview of how popular field content and its closest EW equivalent is for people who are included in the branco census

    In general here is the main points
    -completion rate of abyssos normal is 45% of active players
    -acquisition of the mandragora mount for IS is 16% of active players
    -percentage of 70+ that went to pagos is 35%
    -percentage of people eligible to enter BA is 19%
    -percentage of players that went to Zadnor is 47%
    -percentage of players that got to resistance rank 25 is 34.8%
    -MSQ completion rate is 70%

    So from this we can see that Bozja specifically but even eureka have great retention rates, 32% of people who unlocked eureka reached BA, over 50% of people who unlocked Bozja reached rank 25 and this is compared to an MSQ completion rate of 70%

    I’m still not sure how square saw these numbers and thought people didn’t like field content but I think it’s pretty definitive evidence that field content is popular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’m still not sure how square saw these numbers and thought people didn’t like field content
    When have they said that? It was mostly the simps saying it on behalf of SE, with no evidence (ironic).

    They didn't make field content because they want to cut costs and milk the players and keep them subbed with less content and development costs.
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    The mandragora mount is a bad example.



    He changed it to the bike which is closer to 32%.


    Also, people doing content doesn't mean they like it. If you weren't around during eureka, the forums were mostly full of complaint that the relic was tied to it. People hated Pagos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    The mandragora mount is a bad example.



    He changed it to the bike which is closer to 32%.


    Also, people doing content doesn't mean they like it. If you weren't around during eureka, the forums were mostly full of complaint that the relic was tied to it. People hated Pagos.
    The complaints at the time were bad enough that if you didn’t like eureka chances are the relic would not have saved your opinion on eureka so likely you would have never cleared pagos

    So that doesn’t really change the data

    Regardless for square engagement is good anyway
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    Well lets also be fair, they decided to not do Mandeville and not do a Deep Dungeon in ShB to avoid Burnout / Take a Break from it.
    And so that time went into something else, like say Bozja.

    So its not farfetched to think or say, that we didnt get another Explore Zone for EW, because they didnt want to do 3 Explore Zones 3 times in a row. Take a Break / Avoid Burnout.
    And instead, gave us a SUPER simple Grind, gave us more Mandervile and tied it to the Relic, Made a New Deep Dungeon, and made more Casual Content this time around.

    This is just my analysis
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    Well they only really listen to the JP playerbase so maybe they didn't care for it?

    Personally I think Bozja is some of the best content this game has ever seen, and the lack of an equivalent is a big reason Endwalker sucks
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    Even now, people will go through content for completion of storyline/relic and still hate the gameplay process. Its played, yes, but the question of whether people like what they play or they play for reasons other than gameplay enjoyment is up in the air. Especially with how grindy Eureka is for its relics, and how practical Bozja is for other job levelling, I wouldn't be surprised at the fact that they're played a lot WITHOUT actually being majorly popular.
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    I really do need to finish both Eureka and Bozja. My goal before I quit forever is I want to be selected for a duel at least once...even if I get put down in seconds.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

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    They're probably aware of how well participated it was, honestly. -- and what people thought about it

    But even then, you still don't really want that to stifle approaching newer or different projects regardless of their outcome afterward. e.g., you don't want to always develop exploratory and nothing but that... Usually, this wouldn't be too bad, or even the case for that matter... If this were an ideal world then you would develop newer systems on top of this. e.g., exploratory in addition to Variant/Criterion and/or Island Sanctuary - since you wouldn't need to have x coming at the expense of y. But... This is not an ideal world, unfortunately.

    I don't think the issue was not that we didn't get exploratory content, just that the replacement didn't hold the same replay value. If Island Sanctuary were more developed then this discussion might not even be happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heroman3003 View Post
    Even now, people will go through content for completion of storyline/relic and still hate the gameplay process. Its played, yes, but the question of whether people like what they play or they play for reasons other than gameplay enjoyment is up in the air. Especially with how grindy Eureka is for its relics, and how practical Bozja is for other job levelling, I wouldn't be surprised at the fact that they're played a lot WITHOUT actually being majorly popular.
    I did Eureka, and Hated it.
    Some parts were better then others, but I had a Miserable Experience and hated I HAD to do this crap to get the weapon.
    The One and ONLY shining Grace of Eureka, was BA. Which, I pray in the future, we will see another or more High-End or get Savage Raids of that Caliber. With Huge Teams, required Coordination, and Punishments.
    I did it, I beat it, I got 3 Weapons: one I just wanted Pyros for Dragoon. But I didnt like it. I did it for the reward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    I really do need to finish both Eureka and Bozja. My goal before I quit forever is I want to be selected for a duel at least once...even if I get put down in seconds.
    Will Miss You Man.
    Even though we hardly interacted
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